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1. 02:15 AM - Re: flying the Piet (Tim Willis)
2. 05:24 AM - Re:static rpm (RBush96589@aol.com)
3. 06:11 AM - Corvair powered Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:26 AM - smokin' the Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Tail Question (Ed G.)
6. 09:06 AM - Re: smokin' the Piet (Gordon Bowen)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: smokin' the Piet-- let's be PC-- scrubbers (Tim Willis)
8. 09:33 AM - Re: Corvair powered Piet (hvandervoo@aol.com)
9. 02:22 PM - Not Peit Related (very closely anyway) (Steve Eldredge)
10. 04:48 PM - Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (slowbilder@comcast.net)
11. 06:25 PM - Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (DJ Vegh)
12. 06:28 PM - Piet Down (PatrickW)
13. 06:45 PM - Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: flying the Piet |
Oscar,
Thanks for another great vicarious flying experience. Makes me want to glue something...fast.
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 3, 2007 9:11 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying the Piet
>
>
>First, DO NOT ARCHIVE .
>
>I had a great afternoon today. I finally confirmed that there was fuel
>available at the nearest airport to where I am based, Castroville, a good
>thing. I was down to about 6 gallons in the tank and didn't want to venture
>too far, but due to recent political issues the fuel situation at
>Castroville has been hit-or-miss so I've been thinking about Hondo,
>Kerrville, or Boerne Stage.
>
>I flew over to Castroville, made a decent landing, taxied to the pump, and
>watched a student pilot destroy the nose wheel pant on a new Cirrus while I
>refueled the Piet. I mean, we're talking pilot induced oscillation to the
>max... dust flew, tires squealed, the airplane bucked and jumped, and
>finally they made the turnoff.
>
>As I finished fueling, the Cirrus taxied up behind me No. 2 for fuel and the
>instructor got out, inspected the undercarriage, and proceeded to kick the
>trailing pieces of fiberglass wheel pant off the nosewheel. It was toast.
>Honestly, I was surprised that the landing gear wasn't bent but the
>instructor didn't seem concerned in the slightest and the student didn't
>know from nuthin'. In my training days, I would be running for the woodshed
>because I'd know that Charlie would be meeting me there with a leather strap
>and there would be Hell to pay ;o) In a nosewheel airplane, no less!!
>
>Flying back to San Geronimo was one of the best flights I've had in 41CC to
>date. It was a Pietenpol kind of day. I was at maybe 600-700 AGL (it's
>only 11 mi. between Castroville and San Geronimo), and I was playing like I
>was Mike Cuy in his video, except without smoke (gotta get my smoke
>going!!). Drop down onto the nice farm fields and fly along, watch the
>folks out under the trees barbecuing on a Sunday afternoon, see people turn
>to look at the pretty airplane going by, wing over to the next farm or
>ranch, and then power in and back up to a couple of hundred feet AGL. I
>consciously avoided subdivisions and congested areas and only dropped down
>when I was among farms and ranches, explored farm ponds and dirt roads, and
>the Piet was as at home as it was intended to be. Running strong, flying
>great, full of fuel, and no worries.
>
>A high-speed pass at San Geronimo (90 MPH!!), pull up, turn downwind, carb
>heat, base, power back, final, and we're over the numbers. I embarrassed
>Corky just a little bit again because I can't seem to land the airplane
>without chirping the tires, but it was fun and I'm really liking this
>airplane. You will, too.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Hans,
Yes it is a fresh engine. I checked the timing and found it to be off a
good bit,reset it and now I get about 2650 rpm static and much smoother
throttle response.
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Corvair powered Piet |
Rob wrote-
>I sure would like see photos of that Corvair Pietenpol...I am still
>slugging
>away on my project which is almost up on the landing gear!
Hans got away from me ;o) I believe there are some photos of William
Wynne's Piet over on Chris Tracy's excellent photo archive site and I have
always felt that William executed the Corvair/Piet the way I would do it...
clean and smooth. I know that the original Corvair/Piet as done by Mr.
Pietenpol has the rounded and somewhat bulbous nose with short stacks out
the side, but I don't care for that look as much as the way William did his.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | smokin' the Piet |
Speaking of smoke, at SWRFI this past weekend they were handing out copies
of the little info-newspaper that were leftover from SnF. Mostly
advertising but a few articles. One of the articles was from a guy with one
of the oil companies (Shell?), about smoke oil. It was all about selecting
an oil to use so I expected to read good stuff in there but it ended up
being all about additives in oil, leftover product getting into the oil,
harming the environment and spectators, liability, all that stuff.
Honestly, I had never heard or read about anyone ever being harmed by
airshow smoke but there's a new one for you! What are we coming to now?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Remember that there will be several layers of fabric and tapes on the
fuselage. Horiz. Stab. and verticle stab. which will raise the verticle stab
and rudder slightly. So from what I hear you will want to wait until after
covering is done before positioning and installing the lower rudder hinge.
Maybe you're already at that point but if not you need to take it into
consideration...Ed G.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>To: Pietenpol <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail Question
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:44:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> First off.... I hope everyone takes time off to relax and enjoy the
>holiday. This is the time to relax with family and friends to help kick off
>the summer!
>
> My question is concerning the last (or bottom) rudder hinge that is
>attached to the fuselage. What technique are others using to create the
>hinge "inset" on the fuselage? I completed my hinge "insets" using the
>router before assembly.
>
> Just checking to see if someone has a technique to making a nice "inset"
>(1/2" x 2") for my last hinge to attach the rudder to the fuselage.... Do I
>need to take a rocket science course first or am I just having my daily
>stupid attack?
>
> Ken H.
> Fargo, ND
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: smokin' the Piet |
I think guys flying open cockpit planes would appreciate cleaner air more
than most. Flying out of Kay Larken Airport in FL, the only good open
(meaning not a swamp) practice areas are a little north of the airport, and
not too far north due to the NAS in Jacksonville. Unfortunate one of the
biggest power plants in FL is upwind from this area. Seminole Power does a
great job with coal smoke scrubbers, FL needs the power, but the
yellow/brown coal fired smoky haze is still there. You gotta fly right thru
it, at just about the perfect altitude to get it's full affect, low and
slows like the Piete can't climb over and it takes 30 min. flying time to go
around it. Just my soap box opinion, but I think since we as rec. pilots
are burning hydrocarbons just for enjoying the pure fun of flying. We
should think twice about burning additional hydrocarbons just for the pure
joy of making smoke rings in the air, know it ain't much but every bit
contributes to the problem, we owe it to our grandchildren to leave them a
little better place.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: smokin' the Piet
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Speaking of smoke, at SWRFI this past weekend they were handing out copies
> of the little info-newspaper that were leftover from SnF. Mostly
> advertising but a few articles. One of the articles was from a guy with
> one of the oil companies (Shell?), about smoke oil. It was all about
> selecting an oil to use so I expected to read good stuff in there but it
> ended up being all about additives in oil, leftover product getting into
> the oil, harming the environment and spectators, liability, all that
> stuff.
>
> Honestly, I had never heard or read about anyone ever being harmed by
> airshow smoke but there's a new one for you! What are we coming to now?
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: smokin' the Piet-- let's be PC-- scrubbers |
I plan to be ultra-PC on this issue. I will blow soap bubbles with my Piet. Talk
about a "scrubber"-- this will be "scrubbin' bubbles." It will counteract
anyone's smokin' Piet, so you won't have to buy carbon offsets to ease your conscience.
;)
Tim in central TX
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>Sent: Jun 4, 2007 12:05 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: smokin' the Piet
>
>
>I think guys flying open cockpit planes would appreciate cleaner air more
>than most. Flying out of Kay Larken Airport in FL, the only good open
>(meaning not a swamp) practice areas are a little north of the airport, and
>not too far north due to the NAS in Jacksonville. Unfortunate one of the
>biggest power plants in FL is upwind from this area. Seminole Power does a
>great job with coal smoke scrubbers, FL needs the power, but the
>yellow/brown coal fired smoky haze is still there. You gotta fly right thru
>it, at just about the perfect altitude to get it's full affect, low and
>slows like the Piete can't climb over and it takes 30 min. flying time to go
>around it. Just my soap box opinion, but I think since we as rec. pilots
>are burning hydrocarbons just for enjoying the pure fun of flying. We
>should think twice about burning additional hydrocarbons just for the pure
>joy of making smoke rings in the air, know it ain't much but every bit
>contributes to the problem, we owe it to our grandchildren to leave them a
>little better place.
>Gordon
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:21 AM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: smokin' the Piet
>
>
>> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Speaking of smoke, at SWRFI this past weekend they were handing out copies
>> of the little info-newspaper that were leftover from SnF. Mostly
>> advertising but a few articles. One of the articles was from a guy with
>> one of the oil companies (Shell?), about smoke oil. It was all about
>> selecting an oil to use so I expected to read good stuff in there but it
>> ended up being all about additives in oil, leftover product getting into
>> the oil, harming the environment and spectators, liability, all that
>> stuff.
>>
>> Honestly, I had never heard or read about anyone ever being harmed by
>> airshow smoke but there's a new one for you! What are we coming to now?
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> Live Hotmail.
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>>
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>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair powered Piet |
Oscar, Rob,
link to my website with some pictures
http://www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.html
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 8:10 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair powered Piet
=C2-
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Rob wrote-=C2-
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>I sure would like see photos of that Corvair Pietenpol...I am still >sluggi
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>away on my project which is almost up on the landing gear!=C2-
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Hans got away from me ;o) I believe there are some photos of William Wynne's
Piet over on Chris Tracy's excellent photo archive site and I have always f
elt that William executed the Corvair/Piet the way I would do it... clean an
d smooth. I know that the original Corvair/Piet as done by Mr. Pietenpol has
the rounded and somewhat bulbous nose with short stacks out the side, but I
don't care for that look as much as the way William did his.=C2-
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| Subject: | Not Peit Related (very closely anyway) |
Too my many friends and associates,
Saturday June 2, 2007 about 8:30am
Stinson Voyager NC9406K took to the skies for the first time in 37 years
after a six year reconstruction from the ground up. The flight lasted
about 40 minutes. I had two discrepancies during the flight that were
corrected. First was an airspeed indicator with erroneous readings, and
the second was a lack of adequate nose-down trim. Both problems were
diagnosed and corrected before the second flight. GPS groundspeed in
cruise is about 125mph. Trim and handling is silky smooth. Fuel burn
is estimated at about 11 gph, and expected to drop after the engine is
broken-in. I hope to get air-to-air formation pictures with my
pietnepol. There is another 'Big E' airplane in the air! Now to decide
which to fly!
Thanks for the support and interest over the years of restoration!
Steve Eldredge
97' Aircamper
47' Stinson 108-2
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| Subject: | Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem to recall
that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and seeing if it disappears.
Is that correct? If so how long does one have to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
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| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
not quite that simple but almost.
get a glass jar of known capacity. mark a line at 10% volume. fill to
that line with water. fill the rest with fuel you wish to test.
close jar and shake it. let it settle down. If there is any alchohol
product in the fuel it will blend with the water and there will be a
separation line higher than the 10% mark. If there is no alchohol in
the fuel it will remain at 10% line.
I haven't tried this method yet but plan to this week. My Taylorcraft
can burn mogas but here in Phx, AZ we have ethanol from November to
March. I know it's June but who knows what's still in the pipelines and
tanks.......
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: slowbilder@comcast.net
To: Piet Group
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem
to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and
seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long does one have
to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
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Sounds like the Pilot is ok. Anyone we know here...?
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/local/story/13653278p-14246623c.html
"Aviation enthusiasts honored one of their own whose plane crashed on the way to
the show Friday morning.
Lennert Von Clemm escaped with minor injuries when the 1929 Pietenpol Air Camper
he was piloting crashed upside down into a field at White Crane Road and Hull
Avenue in Atwater. It experienced engine trouble just before the crash.
The plane belongs to the Wings of History Museum in San Martin and sustained $7,000
to $8,000 damage, according to Robin Reid of San Jose.
Volunteers finished restoration of the plane the day before Easter and it will
take the good part of a year to reassemble the craft, Reid said.
The wrecked Pietenpol was placed on a truck-trailer and taken to the airshow where
it received the Static Display award."
Patrick
601XL/Corvair
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116529#116529
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| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
In a message dated 6/4/2007 6:50:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
slowbilder@comcast.net writes:
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works?
Bob,
I use the fuel tester that I carry onboard to check for water before every
flight. Before adding the MoGas to the airplane fuel tank, I always test for
alcohol. My tester has a little plastic thing in it, to open the sump valve, so
I have to pull it out to test for alcohol in the fuel. I have a small file /
paint mark at 10%, and put exactly that much water in it. Then fill it up
with fuel up to the 100% file / paint mark. Put my thumb over the end and shake
vigorously. If there is alcohol in the fuel, the water line will increase,
and actually see 3 distinct levels of stuff in the tester. Takes less than a
minute.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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