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1. 05:01 AM - Engine out.....some interesting info (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
2. 05:40 AM - Re: Engine out.....some interesting info ()
3. 05:57 AM - Piet Down (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 07:29 AM - Elv and rudder hinges (Dave Abramson)
5. 07:51 AM - Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (Gordon Bowen)
6. 07:53 AM - Re: Elv and rudder hinges (Scott Knowlton)
7. 08:51 AM - Re: Elv and rudder hinges (Dave Abramson)
8. 09:12 AM - Re: Elv and rudder hinges (Scott Knowlton)
9. 10:45 AM - Re: Where do I go? (bscott116@aol.com)
10. 11:48 AM - Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (Steve Ruse)
11. 12:40 PM - India and China (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
12. 12:50 PM - mineral oil (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
13. 02:53 PM - Sheet Metal Work (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 04:36 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Work (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Work (Isablcorky@aol.com)
16. 05:38 PM - Re Elevator cables (Graham and Robyn)
17. 06:19 PM - Re: Re Elevator cables (Roman Bukolt)
18. 07:34 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Work (Glenn Thomas)
19. 08:56 PM - Re: India and China (Gordon Bowen)
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| Subject: | Engine out.....some interesting info |
Below cut and pasted directly from the Wings of History Museum web
pages:
http://www.wingsofhistory.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id
29&Itemid=0
At the time I took on the engine portion of the project, the Ford model
B was completely assembled and mounted on a homemade test stand. It was
supposed to be ready for initial runup and operation. The only problem
was that the force needed to make the crankshaft turn was excessive in
the extreme. The expected force needed to rotate the crankshaft should
be 30-35 foot pounds, without spark plugs installed, maybe 40 ft-pounds
maximum. The source of this torque number is the model A engine
builder's bible: "Model A Ford mechanics handbook" by Les Andrews
(page1-143). Conservatively, the torque needed to make the crank turn
was ten times the proper torque for the newly assembled four banger.
Some thought that the newly honed cylinders were part of the problem and
others thought the Babbitt bearings needed breaking in. Several people
thought we should disassemble the engine and find the cause of the
problem. I sided with the last group.
In addition to the problem of rotating the engine components, I could
not locate any documentation that listed what had been done to the
engine over the past five years that it was being worked on. I could
find no written record of who had performed the various tasks and what
tolerances were measured or machined. My conclusion was that without
that documentation, even if the engine were ready to operate, the museum
would not know the initial condition of the engine and what to look for
in the way of wear and tear further down the road. Also, since this
engine is a museum piece, documentation of the restoration effort is
part of the provenance of the Pietenpol.
Being new-kid-on-the-block, so to speak, and not being a model B expert,
I was hesitant to force the disassembly of the engine. Besides, I didn't
have a plan for how the engine could be made reliable, reassembled, and
documented.
At this point in the story, a helping hand appeared. One of our
respected board members, Larry Stephen, has a neighbor, a professional
engine mechanic, who has rebuilt engines of various types. Mr. Stephen
convinced him to assist us in getting the Pietenpol engine into running
condition and documented. The engine expert, Jason Colby, is very
interested in flying and in helping with the model B project.
As luck would have it, Jason appeared at the clubhouse on the one day in
October when I drove down to have lunch and discuss the fate of the
model B engine. He agreed with me that the engine should be
disassembled. That afternoon, Jason, Dick Denesha, and I completely
disassembled the engine and learned that the crankshaft main bearing
tolerances were not correct (too tight) and it was not clear if the
crank bearings were properly align bored or if the crank was straight or
if the main babbitt bearings were truly round.
All these items needed to be checked as a very minimum and many more
checks needed to be done to insure a reliable engine for the Pietenpol.
My goal is to have an engine that will be reliable not for 30 to 70
hours TBO (the original Ford babbitt bearing engine) but will last for
300 to 500 hours TBO! Jason had many good ideas regarding how we should
achieve this and they all sounded good to me. I must say that at this
point, I didn't know much about the model B engine and so I resolved to
come up to speed so I could understand the value of Jason's suggestions.
I spent many hours over several days researching and learning about
engines and Pietenpols. The internet is a wonderful resource and has
many pages of information on every aspect of model A and B engine
restoration, engine modification, history, parts availability, and
machine shops.
After much study and discussion with Jason and different machine shops,
the following is a list of some of the things were done to the internal
workings of our model B.
Magnaflux the crank and block and pressure test block.
- Installation of modern insert bearings for the crank mains and the
rods. No more babbitt bearings!
- Installation of stainless steel valves and one piece guides and new
seats.
- Crankshaft grinding and balancing.
- Rod balancing.
- Billet aluminum cam gear and matching steel crankshaft gear. No more
fiber cam gear.
-Reassemble and document machining and the tolerances for the engine.
These modifications are performed regularly on model A and B auto
engines so that they can reliably cruise the freeways at 65 mph for
hours on end. 50,000 miles between engine overhauls is not uncommon for
cars with these engines. There are two or three shops around the country
that specialize in the model A and B and have developed standard
procedures for modernizing the internal workings of the engine to
provide the reliability we want. I checked out several shops and
determined the average cost of incorporating these changes.
I then chose the machine shop that was going to do the work. This
particular shop is relatively near (its in California) and has been
restoring, modifying, and racing model A and B engines for forty years.
They do exclusively Ford antique engines including some Pietenpol
engines. The company is H&H Antique Engine in La Crescenta, near
Pasadena.
Its interesting to note that when John and I delivered the engine parts
to H&H, they took one look at our block and stated that it is a Russian
made block! The clues to this discovery lie in the crudeness of the
casting. Things such as visible parting lines, injection sprues, head
and block extend beyond the head gasket, all tell the tale.
How did the Russians come to build model A and B engines? After some
research, the following was learned:
Mister Stalin, in order to help revive the ailing 1930s Russian economy
and create a high volume car and truck manufacturing capability,
commissioned the Austin engineering consulting company of Cleveland,
Ohio, to build a replica of the Ford Dearborn plant in Novgorod, 250
miles east of Moscow. This site was chosen because of the proximity of a
steel plant, forest (wood), water, and available workers. The plant was
built in a period of 18 months including facilities to house 35,000
plant workers! The Ford company, also trying to recover from the 1929
depression, licensed the Ford model A and B car design and the model AA
truck design To the Russians and seeded the operation with $30,000,000
(1930 dollars) worth of tooling, engine, and chassis components. The
Russian built Fords were named GAZ (Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod) for
Gorky automobile plant. These cars and trucks were produced until 1960.
How did a Russian engine block come to be part of our Pietenpol
package?? This is the part of the provenance that will be the most
difficult to learn. Can anyone can help us find this information?
My next article will detail the final assembly of the model B and, if
the planets are in the right alignment, the mounting of the finished
engine on the Pietenpol airframe.
I welcome any and all help and support.
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| Subject: | Engine out.....some interesting info |
So old Ford was a Rusky;HAHAHA!Ya gotta love it!I'll bet he sent
advisors over as well.
Do not archive
Mister Stalin, in order to help revive the ailing 1930s Russian economy
and create a high volume car and truck manufacturing capability,
commissioned the Austin engineering consulting company of Cleveland,
Ohio, to build a replica of the Ford Dearborn plant in Novgorod, 250
miles east of Moscow. This site was chosen because of the proximity of a
steel plant, forest (wood), water, and available workers. The plant was
built in a period of 18 months including facilities to house 35,000
plant workers! The Ford company, also trying to recover from the 1929
depression, licensed the Ford model A and B car design and the model AA
truck design To the Russians and seeded the operation with $30,000,000
(1930 dollars) worth of tooling, engine, and chassis components. The
Russian built Fords were named GAZ (Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod) for
Gorky automobile plant. These cars and trucks were produced until 1960.
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"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
involved to lend a hand.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
Hello Group,
Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for
my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
Thanks in advance!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
involved to lend a hand.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
Pour a little water into a clear container with your suspect fuel. The
water will immediately dissolve in the 10% alcohol/gas mixture leaving
no residual water layer on bottom of container. In normal AV-fuel the
fuel separates from the water leaving the water on the bottom. Alcohol
and MEK are two additives in the stuff sold at stores to prevent the
dreaded "fuel line freeze-up"
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: slowbilder@comcast.net
To: Piet Group
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem
to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and
seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long does one have
to wait for the disappearance?
Thanks
Bob Humbert
Battle Creek, MI
N491RH
Close to first flight
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| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
Dave
An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of nicely
cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol
technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the
price!!
Scott Knowlton
>From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700
>
><davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>
>Hello Group,
>
>Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for
>my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
>
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
>relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
>won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
>involved to lend a hand.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
Hi Scott!
I am out here in sunny Ca. and my work schedule will not permit me to attend
Broadhead. I will take a vacation once my plane is finished, and fly it
there one day! Will might take more than 1 day)
Do you have any contact info for Vi? Thanks!
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Dave
An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of nicely
cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol
technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the
price!!
Scott Knowlton
>From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700
>
><davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>
>Hello Group,
>
>Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for
>my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
>
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can
>relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it
>won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers
>involved to lend a hand.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Elv and rudder hinges |
This was on his business card two years ago. I'm sure it is the same now.
I think you would do best to have someone buy them for you from Vi at
Broadhead, but failing that you could try to contact him and order them.
Best of luck.
Scott Knowlton
Vitalis Kapler
1033 Forest Hill Dr. SW
Rochester, MN 55902
His phone number is 507 288 3322
>From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:51:02 -0700
>
><davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
>
>Hi Scott!
>
>I am out here in sunny Ca. and my work schedule will not permit me to
>attend
>Broadhead. I will take a vacation once my plane is finished, and fly it
>there one day! Will might take more than 1 day)
>
>Do you have any contact info for Vi? Thanks!
>
>Dave
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
>Knowlton
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
>
><flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>
>Dave
>
>An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of
>nicely
>cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol
>technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the
>price!!
>
>Scott Knowlton
>
> >From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges
> >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700
> >
> ><davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
> >
> >Hello Group,
> >
> >Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges
>for
> >my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum...
> >
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
> >Dave
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
>Zuniga
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down
> >
> ><taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> >"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I
>can
> >relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and
>it
> >won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet
>lovers
> >involved to lend a hand.
> >
> >Oscar Zuniga
> >San Antonio, TX
> >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where do I go? |
go to FAA website, fill out form and send them $2
-----Original Message-----
From: walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Sat, 12 May 2007 2:07 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I go?
My PPSEL license had been resting comfortably in my wallet for 41 years. Just today
a friend showed me his new Sport Pilot card, which looks like my new digitalized
drivers license.
Where to go to get an up to date copy?
Thanks
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| Subject: | Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline |
Typically, aren't you advised to shake the container after adding
water to mix the water and fuel? Then if the water separates out of
the fuel, in the same volume ratio (water:fuel) as it was previously,
it is OK. If it doesn't separate completely, the water has been
partially absorbed by alcohol, so the fuel should not be used in an
airplane.
Somebody tell me if I'm wrong.
Steve Ruse
Quoting Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net>:
> Pour a little water into a clear container with your suspect fuel.
> The water will immediately dissolve in the 10% alcohol/gas mixture
> leaving no residual water layer on bottom of container. In normal
> AV-fuel the fuel separates from the water leaving the water on the
> bottom. Alcohol and MEK are two additives in the stuff sold at
> stores to prevent the dreaded "fuel line freeze-up"
> Gordon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: slowbilder@comcast.net
> To: Piet Group
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:46 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
>
>
> Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I
> seem to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the
> gas and seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long
> does one have to wait for the disappearance?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Humbert
> Battle Creek, MI
> N491RH
> Close to first flight
>
>
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Sure thing, Gordon......I'll stop using smoke in my Piet as soon as
China and India stop belching
1970's level crap into the atmosphere that we've cleaned up...mostly.
Mike C.
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Smoke oil is mineral oil. They use it for lubricating cast iron
skillets in cooking, for wooden utensils and cutting board conditioning.
Mineral oil is used in food processing equipment since you can ingest
small quantities with only a case of the runs....they use it to
lubricate (older model) dentist drills, mineral oil is used to treat dry
skin conditions or soften up leather. Breathing raw mist isn't good
for you (but then no mist oil is good to breathe) but burned it does
what it is meant to do----make non-toxic white smoke.
MATERIAL IDENTITY: CANOPUS(r) 13 PRODUCT CODES: 00519 COMPANY ADDRESS:
Equilon Enterprises LLC, P. O. Box 4453, Houston, TX. -- 100 %weight
Mineral Oil 64742-55-8 100 %weight Hydrotreated light paraffinic
distillate. OVERVIEW Appearance & Odor: Pale liquid Petroleum oil odor.
May cause aspiration pneumonitis. Physical Hazards: No known physical
hazards. NFPA Rating (Health, Fire, Reactivity): 0, 1, 0 Hazard Rating:
Least - 0 Slight - 1 Moderate - 2 High - 3 Extreme - 4 Inhalation:
Inhalation of vapors (generated at high temperatures only) or oil mist
may cause mild irritation of the nose, throat, and respiratory tract.
Eye Irritation: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than
minimally irritating to the eyes. Skin Contact: Lubricating oils are
generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the skin.
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| Subject: | Sheet Metal Work |
Pieters, I need your help finding some one (shop or private) who has an
English Wheel and would do some work for ole Corky, cash included.
The cowling on N47309, the Aeronca L-3 (T-65 Defender) has many dimples and
scars from the 65 yrs of it's life and I would like to give it a new face for
the future. There is not an English Wheel in this area 250K population unless
it be some secret builders of custom motorcycles etc who are not the type to
approach. I would like to appeal to you to help me find someone within
driving distance who I might get to help. Not too much work just the sides of
the
lower cowl panels and the nose of the top cowl.
In advance
Thanks
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Work |
I looked at one on Harbor Freight and still think about getting it just
to learn how to use one. It seemed relatively cheap. Only about
$250.00. Comes with anvil wheel but the various radiused wheels are
sold separately for about $90.00. I know you probably meant someone who
would do the work for you. Harbor Frieght shipping for that would be
$11.99. Don't know how good it is but it's probably good enough.
Tell you what... You get and I'll pay you full price for it when your
done!
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet Metal Work
Pieters, I need your help finding some one (shop or private) who has
an English Wheel and would do some work for ole Corky, cash included.
The cowling on N47309, the Aeronca L-3 (T-65 Defender) has many
dimples and scars from the 65 yrs of it's life and I would like to give
it a new face for the future. There is not an English Wheel in this area
250K population unless it be some secret builders of custom motorcycles
etc who are not the type to approach. I would like to appeal to you to
help me find someone within driving distance who I might get to help.
Not too much work just the sides of the lower cowl panels and the nose
of the top cowl.
In advance
Thanks
Corky
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Work |
You're on. I'll be at harbor freight early tomorrow morning, save the box to
ship to you later on.
Corky
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| Subject: | Re Elevator cables |
Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated.
Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection?
If so can this be avoided.
Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail plane?
Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this
could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor.
Thanks Graham
fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months
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| Subject: | Re: Re Elevator cables |
If you look carefully, you can see that my top elevator cables come out
of the top of the fuselage.
I have way more than enough throw.
Roman NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham and Robyn
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Elevator cables
Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated.
Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection?
If so can this be avoided.
Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail
plane?
Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this
could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor.
Thanks Graham
fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months
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| Subject: | Re: Sheet Metal Work |
Atta boy Corky!
You're always up for a challenge. Check out http://www.metalshapers.com
I spent a few nights there admiring an art that few people even recognize. I just went to that site and got redirected to http://www.allshops.org/ so something must have changed recently.
It's a very good source of information on tucking, shrinking, doing compound curves,
shows where to separate pieces and then weld, etc. and anything else you
could possibly do to sheet metal. You sound like you just want to even out
some dings, so it shouldn't take that long. I'll start preparing a spot for
it!! Even if I don't use it on the Piet, I'll use it for something, if only to
play with it for a while. I'm a woodworker, machinist, welder, metal fabricator
trapped in a software engineer's body.
...or you might become the new English Wheel guy of Shreveport. So much for being
retired!
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Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116789#116789
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| Subject: | Re: India and China |
There's a pretty easy way to cut back on China belching out coal smoke, quit
shopping at Kmart, Walmart, Home Depot, Sears, etc., etc. We all have to do
a little, if you gotta smoke your Piete, you gotta. On a per capital basis
we (Americans) are still the sad leaders in using up the hydrocarbons and
putting them back in the atmosphere, it's an individual choice that
eventually will be changed for us. Soooooo, Smok'em while you still got'em.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: India and China
> <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Sure thing, Gordon......I'll stop using smoke in my Piet as soon as
> China and India stop belching
> 1970's level crap into the atmosphere that we've cleaned up...mostly.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
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