Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 06/05/07


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:01 AM - Engine out.....some interesting info (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     2. 05:40 AM - Re: Engine out.....some interesting info ()
     3. 05:57 AM - Piet Down (Oscar Zuniga)
     4. 07:29 AM - Elv and rudder hinges (Dave Abramson)
     5. 07:51 AM - Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (Gordon Bowen)
     6. 07:53 AM - Re: Elv and rudder hinges (Scott Knowlton)
     7. 08:51 AM - Re: Elv and rudder hinges (Dave Abramson)
     8. 09:12 AM - Re: Elv and rudder hinges (Scott Knowlton)
     9. 10:45 AM - Re: Where do I go? (bscott116@aol.com)
    10. 11:48 AM - Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline (Steve Ruse)
    11. 12:40 PM - India and China (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    12. 12:50 PM - mineral oil (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    13. 02:53 PM - Sheet Metal Work (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    14. 04:36 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Work (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
    15. 05:32 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Work (Isablcorky@aol.com)
    16. 05:38 PM - Re Elevator cables (Graham and Robyn)
    17. 06:19 PM - Re: Re Elevator cables (Roman Bukolt)
    18. 07:34 PM - Re: Sheet Metal Work (Glenn Thomas)
    19. 08:56 PM - Re: India and China (Gordon Bowen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:01:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Engine out.....some interesting info
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Below cut and pasted directly from the Wings of History Museum web pages: http://www.wingsofhistory.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id 29&Itemid=0 At the time I took on the engine portion of the project, the Ford model B was completely assembled and mounted on a homemade test stand. It was supposed to be ready for initial runup and operation. The only problem was that the force needed to make the crankshaft turn was excessive in the extreme. The expected force needed to rotate the crankshaft should be 30-35 foot pounds, without spark plugs installed, maybe 40 ft-pounds maximum. The source of this torque number is the model A engine builder's bible: "Model A Ford mechanics handbook" by Les Andrews (page1-143). Conservatively, the torque needed to make the crank turn was ten times the proper torque for the newly assembled four banger. Some thought that the newly honed cylinders were part of the problem and others thought the Babbitt bearings needed breaking in. Several people thought we should disassemble the engine and find the cause of the problem. I sided with the last group. In addition to the problem of rotating the engine components, I could not locate any documentation that listed what had been done to the engine over the past five years that it was being worked on. I could find no written record of who had performed the various tasks and what tolerances were measured or machined. My conclusion was that without that documentation, even if the engine were ready to operate, the museum would not know the initial condition of the engine and what to look for in the way of wear and tear further down the road. Also, since this engine is a museum piece, documentation of the restoration effort is part of the provenance of the Pietenpol. Being new-kid-on-the-block, so to speak, and not being a model B expert, I was hesitant to force the disassembly of the engine. Besides, I didn't have a plan for how the engine could be made reliable, reassembled, and documented. At this point in the story, a helping hand appeared. One of our respected board members, Larry Stephen, has a neighbor, a professional engine mechanic, who has rebuilt engines of various types. Mr. Stephen convinced him to assist us in getting the Pietenpol engine into running condition and documented. The engine expert, Jason Colby, is very interested in flying and in helping with the model B project. As luck would have it, Jason appeared at the clubhouse on the one day in October when I drove down to have lunch and discuss the fate of the model B engine. He agreed with me that the engine should be disassembled. That afternoon, Jason, Dick Denesha, and I completely disassembled the engine and learned that the crankshaft main bearing tolerances were not correct (too tight) and it was not clear if the crank bearings were properly align bored or if the crank was straight or if the main babbitt bearings were truly round. All these items needed to be checked as a very minimum and many more checks needed to be done to insure a reliable engine for the Pietenpol. My goal is to have an engine that will be reliable not for 30 to 70 hours TBO (the original Ford babbitt bearing engine) but will last for 300 to 500 hours TBO! Jason had many good ideas regarding how we should achieve this and they all sounded good to me. I must say that at this point, I didn't know much about the model B engine and so I resolved to come up to speed so I could understand the value of Jason's suggestions. I spent many hours over several days researching and learning about engines and Pietenpols. The internet is a wonderful resource and has many pages of information on every aspect of model A and B engine restoration, engine modification, history, parts availability, and machine shops. After much study and discussion with Jason and different machine shops, the following is a list of some of the things were done to the internal workings of our model B. Magnaflux the crank and block and pressure test block. - Installation of modern insert bearings for the crank mains and the rods. No more babbitt bearings! - Installation of stainless steel valves and one piece guides and new seats. - Crankshaft grinding and balancing. - Rod balancing. - Billet aluminum cam gear and matching steel crankshaft gear. No more fiber cam gear. -Reassemble and document machining and the tolerances for the engine. These modifications are performed regularly on model A and B auto engines so that they can reliably cruise the freeways at 65 mph for hours on end. 50,000 miles between engine overhauls is not uncommon for cars with these engines. There are two or three shops around the country that specialize in the model A and B and have developed standard procedures for modernizing the internal workings of the engine to provide the reliability we want. I checked out several shops and determined the average cost of incorporating these changes. I then chose the machine shop that was going to do the work. This particular shop is relatively near (its in California) and has been restoring, modifying, and racing model A and B engines for forty years. They do exclusively Ford antique engines including some Pietenpol engines. The company is H&H Antique Engine in La Crescenta, near Pasadena. Its interesting to note that when John and I delivered the engine parts to H&H, they took one look at our block and stated that it is a Russian made block! The clues to this discovery lie in the crudeness of the casting. Things such as visible parting lines, injection sprues, head and block extend beyond the head gasket, all tell the tale. How did the Russians come to build model A and B engines? After some research, the following was learned: Mister Stalin, in order to help revive the ailing 1930s Russian economy and create a high volume car and truck manufacturing capability, commissioned the Austin engineering consulting company of Cleveland, Ohio, to build a replica of the Ford Dearborn plant in Novgorod, 250 miles east of Moscow. This site was chosen because of the proximity of a steel plant, forest (wood), water, and available workers. The plant was built in a period of 18 months including facilities to house 35,000 plant workers! The Ford company, also trying to recover from the 1929 depression, licensed the Ford model A and B car design and the model AA truck design To the Russians and seeded the operation with $30,000,000 (1930 dollars) worth of tooling, engine, and chassis components. The Russian built Fords were named GAZ (Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod) for Gorky automobile plant. These cars and trucks were produced until 1960. How did a Russian engine block come to be part of our Pietenpol package?? This is the part of the provenance that will be the most difficult to learn. Can anyone can help us find this information? My next article will detail the final assembly of the model B and, if the planets are in the right alignment, the mounting of the finished engine on the Pietenpol airframe. I welcome any and all help and support.


    Message 2


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    Time: 05:40:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Engine out.....some interesting info
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    So old Ford was a Rusky;HAHAHA!Ya gotta love it!I'll bet he sent advisors over as well. Do not archive Mister Stalin, in order to help revive the ailing 1930s Russian economy and create a high volume car and truck manufacturing capability, commissioned the Austin engineering consulting company of Cleveland, Ohio, to build a replica of the Ford Dearborn plant in Novgorod, 250 miles east of Moscow. This site was chosen because of the proximity of a steel plant, forest (wood), water, and available workers. The plant was built in a period of 18 months including facilities to house 35,000 plant workers! The Ford company, also trying to recover from the 1929 depression, licensed the Ford model A and B car design and the model AA truck design To the Russians and seeded the operation with $30,000,000 (1930 dollars) worth of tooling, engine, and chassis components. The Russian built Fords were named GAZ (Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod) for Gorky automobile plant. These cars and trucks were produced until 1960.


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    Time: 05:57:34 AM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Piet Down
    "Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers involved to lend a hand. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1


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    Time: 07:29:53 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Elv and rudder hinges
    Hello Group, Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum... Thanks in advance! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down "Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers involved to lend a hand. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now-it's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1


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    Time: 07:51:02 AM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
    Pour a little water into a clear container with your suspect fuel. The water will immediately dissolve in the 10% alcohol/gas mixture leaving no residual water layer on bottom of container. In normal AV-fuel the fuel separates from the water leaving the water on the bottom. Alcohol and MEK are two additives in the stuff sold at stores to prevent the dreaded "fuel line freeze-up" Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: slowbilder@comcast.net To: Piet Group Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I seem to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the gas and seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long does one have to wait for the disappearance? Thanks Bob Humbert Battle Creek, MI N491RH Close to first flight


    Message 6


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    Time: 07:53:16 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Elv and rudder hinges
    Dave An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of nicely cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the price!! Scott Knowlton >From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700 > ><davea@symbolicdisplays.com> > >Hello Group, > >Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for >my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum... > >Thanks in advance! > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down > ><taildrags@hotmail.com> > >"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can >relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it >won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers >involved to lend a hand. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >_________________________________________________________________ >Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now-it's FREE! >http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148


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    Time: 08:51:35 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Elv and rudder hinges
    Hi Scott! I am out here in sunny Ca. and my work schedule will not permit me to attend Broadhead. I will take a vacation once my plane is finished, and fly it there one day! Will might take more than 1 day) Do you have any contact info for Vi? Thanks! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com> Dave An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of nicely cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the price!! Scott Knowlton >From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700 > ><davea@symbolicdisplays.com> > >Hello Group, > >Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges for >my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum... > >Thanks in advance! > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down > ><taildrags@hotmail.com> > >"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I can >relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and it >won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet lovers >involved to lend a hand. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >_________________________________________________________________ >Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now-it's FREE! >http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148


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    Time: 09:12:06 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Knowlton" <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Elv and rudder hinges
    This was on his business card two years ago. I'm sure it is the same now. I think you would do best to have someone buy them for you from Vi at Broadhead, but failing that you could try to contact him and order them. Best of luck. Scott Knowlton Vitalis Kapler 1033 Forest Hill Dr. SW Rochester, MN 55902 His phone number is 507 288 3322 >From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:51:02 -0700 > ><davea@symbolicdisplays.com> > >Hi Scott! > >I am out here in sunny Ca. and my work schedule will not permit me to >attend >Broadhead. I will take a vacation once my plane is finished, and fly it >there one day! Will might take more than 1 day) > >Do you have any contact info for Vi? Thanks! > >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott >Knowlton >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:53 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges > ><flyingscott_k@hotmail.com> > >Dave > >An awesome weekend at Broadhead and forty bucks will get you a set of >nicely >cast aluminium hinges from Vi Kapler. Make sure you have a few Pietenpol >technical questions and the transaction will be a bargain at twice the >price!! > >Scott Knowlton > > >From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com> > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Elv and rudder hinges > >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0700 > > > ><davea@symbolicdisplays.com> > > > >Hello Group, > > > >Can anyone direct me to a source to purchase Elevator and rudder hinges >for > >my Piet? Was thinking of making some in Aluminum... > > > >Thanks in advance! > > > >Dave > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar >Zuniga > >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:57 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Down > > > ><taildrags@hotmail.com> > > > >"Crashed upside down"-? If it was what happened to 41CC (nose-over), I >can > >relate ;o) It can be repaired, the airplane will live to fly again, and >it > >won't cost $7,000 to $8,000 to repair. Especially if there are Piet >lovers > >involved to lend a hand. > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >San Antonio, TX > >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play now-it's FREE! > >http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. >www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148 > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail. Now with better security, storage and features. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA149


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    Time: 10:45:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where do I go?
    From: bscott116@aol.com
    go to FAA website, fill out form and send them $2 -----Original Message----- From: walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> Sent: Sat, 12 May 2007 2:07 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where do I go? My PPSEL license had been resting comfortably in my wallet for 41 years. Just today a friend showed me his new Sport Pilot card, which looks like my new digitalized drivers license. Where to go to get an up to date copy? Thanks Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 11:48:19 AM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Re: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline
    Typically, aren't you advised to shake the container after adding water to mix the water and fuel? Then if the water separates out of the fuel, in the same volume ratio (water:fuel) as it was previously, it is OK. If it doesn't separate completely, the water has been partially absorbed by alcohol, so the fuel should not be used in an airplane. Somebody tell me if I'm wrong. Steve Ruse Quoting Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net>: > Pour a little water into a clear container with your suspect fuel. > The water will immediately dissolve in the 10% alcohol/gas mixture > leaving no residual water layer on bottom of container. In normal > AV-fuel the fuel separates from the water leaving the water on the > bottom. Alcohol and MEK are two additives in the stuff sold at > stores to prevent the dreaded "fuel line freeze-up" > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: slowbilder@comcast.net > To: Piet Group > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:46 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test for Ethanol in Gasoline > > > Can somebody tell me how the test for ethanol in gas works? I > seem to recall that it is a matter of dropping some water into the > gas and seeing if it disappears. Is that correct? If so how long > does one have to wait for the disappearance? > > Thanks > > Bob Humbert > Battle Creek, MI > N491RH > Close to first flight > >


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    Time: 12:40:38 PM PST US
    Subject: India and China
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Sure thing, Gordon......I'll stop using smoke in my Piet as soon as China and India stop belching 1970's level crap into the atmosphere that we've cleaned up...mostly. Mike C.


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    Time: 12:50:20 PM PST US
    Subject: mineral oil
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Smoke oil is mineral oil. They use it for lubricating cast iron skillets in cooking, for wooden utensils and cutting board conditioning. Mineral oil is used in food processing equipment since you can ingest small quantities with only a case of the runs....they use it to lubricate (older model) dentist drills, mineral oil is used to treat dry skin conditions or soften up leather. Breathing raw mist isn't good for you (but then no mist oil is good to breathe) but burned it does what it is meant to do----make non-toxic white smoke. MATERIAL IDENTITY: CANOPUS(r) 13 PRODUCT CODES: 00519 COMPANY ADDRESS: Equilon Enterprises LLC, P. O. Box 4453, Houston, TX. -- 100 %weight Mineral Oil 64742-55-8 100 %weight Hydrotreated light paraffinic distillate. OVERVIEW Appearance & Odor: Pale liquid Petroleum oil odor. May cause aspiration pneumonitis. Physical Hazards: No known physical hazards. NFPA Rating (Health, Fire, Reactivity): 0, 1, 0 Hazard Rating: Least - 0 Slight - 1 Moderate - 2 High - 3 Extreme - 4 Inhalation: Inhalation of vapors (generated at high temperatures only) or oil mist may cause mild irritation of the nose, throat, and respiratory tract. Eye Irritation: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the eyes. Skin Contact: Lubricating oils are generally considered no more than minimally irritating to the skin.


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    Time: 02:53:36 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Sheet Metal Work
    Pieters, I need your help finding some one (shop or private) who has an English Wheel and would do some work for ole Corky, cash included. The cowling on N47309, the Aeronca L-3 (T-65 Defender) has many dimples and scars from the 65 yrs of it's life and I would like to give it a new face for the future. There is not an English Wheel in this area 250K population unless it be some secret builders of custom motorcycles etc who are not the type to approach. I would like to appeal to you to help me find someone within driving distance who I might get to help. Not too much work just the sides of the lower cowl panels and the nose of the top cowl. In advance Thanks Corky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 04:36:05 PM PST US
    From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Work
    I looked at one on Harbor Freight and still think about getting it just to learn how to use one. It seemed relatively cheap. Only about $250.00. Comes with anvil wheel but the various radiused wheels are sold separately for about $90.00. I know you probably meant someone who would do the work for you. Harbor Frieght shipping for that would be $11.99. Don't know how good it is but it's probably good enough. Tell you what... You get and I'll pay you full price for it when your done! Glenn W. Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sheet Metal Work Pieters, I need your help finding some one (shop or private) who has an English Wheel and would do some work for ole Corky, cash included. The cowling on N47309, the Aeronca L-3 (T-65 Defender) has many dimples and scars from the 65 yrs of it's life and I would like to give it a new face for the future. There is not an English Wheel in this area 250K population unless it be some secret builders of custom motorcycles etc who are not the type to approach. I would like to appeal to you to help me find someone within driving distance who I might get to help. Not too much work just the sides of the lower cowl panels and the nose of the top cowl. In advance Thanks Corky ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com.


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    Time: 05:32:01 PM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Work
    You're on. I'll be at harbor freight early tomorrow morning, save the box to ship to you later on. Corky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 05:38:35 PM PST US
    From: "Graham and Robyn" <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
    Subject: Re Elevator cables
    Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated. Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection? If so can this be avoided. Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail plane? Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor. Thanks Graham fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months


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    Time: 06:19:48 PM PST US
    From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Re Elevator cables
    If you look carefully, you can see that my top elevator cables come out of the top of the fuselage. I have way more than enough throw. Roman NX20795 ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham and Robyn To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re Elevator cables Any thoughts/advice on this would be appreciated. Does the tension vary between upper & lower cables at full deflection? If so can this be avoided. Any way of stopping the top cable from rubbing on the L,E of tail plane? Had considered raising the height of the bell crank in fuse but this could gear down the amount of travel avail for the elevtor. Thanks Graham fuse 75% tail surfaces 100% has taken 10 months


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    Time: 07:34:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sheet Metal Work
    From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    Atta boy Corky! You're always up for a challenge. Check out http://www.metalshapers.com I spent a few nights there admiring an art that few people even recognize. I just went to that site and got redirected to http://www.allshops.org/ so something must have changed recently. It's a very good source of information on tucking, shrinking, doing compound curves, shows where to separate pieces and then weld, etc. and anything else you could possibly do to sheet metal. You sound like you just want to even out some dings, so it shouldn't take that long. I'll start preparing a spot for it!! Even if I don't use it on the Piet, I'll use it for something, if only to play with it for a while. I'm a woodworker, machinist, welder, metal fabricator trapped in a software engineer's body. ...or you might become the new English Wheel guy of Shreveport. So much for being retired! -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116789#116789


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    Time: 08:56:25 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: India and China
    There's a pretty easy way to cut back on China belching out coal smoke, quit shopping at Kmart, Walmart, Home Depot, Sears, etc., etc. We all have to do a little, if you gotta smoke your Piete, you gotta. On a per capital basis we (Americans) are still the sad leaders in using up the hydrocarbons and putting them back in the atmosphere, it's an individual choice that eventually will be changed for us. Soooooo, Smok'em while you still got'em. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: India and China > <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > > > Sure thing, Gordon......I'll stop using smoke in my Piet as soon as > China and India stop belching > 1970's level crap into the atmosphere that we've cleaned up...mostly. > > Mike C. > > >




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