---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/08/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - Re: Cabane size (hvandervoo@aol.com) 2. 06:09 AM - Re: Cabane size (Scott Schreiber) 3. 09:24 AM - Sky Scout VNE (Terry Hall) 4. 01:05 PM - piano hinge for aileron (Jim Cooper) 5. 01:49 PM - Re: Magneto (Steve Eldredge) 6. 06:35 PM - Re: piano hinge for aileron (Rick Holland) 7. 07:19 PM - Re: Cabane size (Scott Schreiber) 8. 07:22 PM - Re: Magneto (Chet's Mail) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size From: hvandervoo@aol.com Rick, I used 1.685 X 0.714 X 049 for the cabane struts and 2.023 X 0.857 X 049 for Wingstruts. If cost is an issue, try using the normal round tubing. You can squeeze the ends to fit longeron dimensions Hans -----Original Message----- From: Rick Schreiber Sent: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 4:46 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what siz e ost everyone is using. My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was i n he old days, as specified on Bernards plans? There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what abou t .349 x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There sure is a ifference cost wise!!!!! I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and f air t out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent the wheel .. Thanks, ick Schreiber -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as the Subscriptions page, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List -======================== -= - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content now also available via the Web Forums! -= --> http://forums.matronics.com -======================== ________________________________________________________________________ AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:37 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size Rick, I will be home later tonight and I will look at mine as well as the plans. -Scott Schreiber I know, what are the odds of two guys with the name Schreiber working on the same plane.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Schreiber" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size > > > I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what > size most everyone is using. > > My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was > in the old days, as specified on Bernards plans? > > There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what > about 1.349 x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There > sure is a difference cost wise!!!!! > > I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and > fair it out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent > the wheel. > > Thanks, > Rick Schreiber > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:31 AM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout VNE Hello all, Does anyone know the VNE on the Sky Scout? I cannot find the number anywhere in the material that I have. Thanks, Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:00 PM PST US From: "Jim Cooper" Subject: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge for aileron What size piano hinge is commonly used to attach the aileron on the Pietenpol? Thanks, Jim Cooper ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:05 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Magneto From: "Steve Eldredge" I still have two in a box that I never used. Steve@byu.edu From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago morete Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto I have seen old references in the archives to army surplus mags (Slick 4220). I am wondering if somebody has an extra one for sale. mm? Saludos Santiago ________________________________ Pregunt=E1. Respond=E9. Descubr=ED. Todo lo que quer=EDas saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, est=E1 en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:44 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piano hinge for aileron Jim I ended up using the 3/4" stuff. Then the other thing to decide is to go with the extruded aluminum hinge or the cheaper stuff. I went with the extruded and have since seen both types on Piets and have been told by the old timers that its not necessary. You will find some discussion in the archives about that subject. Attached a couple of pictures of mine done using the "Cuy" methodology using blind nuts. Rick On 6/8/07, Jim Cooper wrote: > > What size piano hinge is commonly used to attach the aileron on the > Pietenpol? Thanks, Jim Cooper > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:56 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size The plans give you the length of the cabanes as you know, but leave out some minor details like size and wall thickness. Based on the dimensions of the other parts in the drawing I came out with 1.25 x .5 with 1.349X.571X049 from wicks aircraft being the closest match. It was available in .049 and I think .035. The weight difference was minor so I went with the .049. It looks so small when you get it in person, the ones on other peoples planes look twice as large in the pictures. Not having specs lets your mind run wild. The same with the lift struts. I have seen so many sizes, aluminum, steel, you name it. In the end I went with aluminum in a larger size. For what it's worth Wicks and another site both reccomended it for the Piet. What I chose was: 6061-T6 STRUT/10-1/2' EXTRUDED 6061-T6 ALUMINUM STRUT Stock 10 foot 6 inch lengths major axis 3.13, minor axis 1.25, wall .065, flat ID 1.006-1.014, flat length .88, wt. 604lb p/ft . Ultimate 23,268 psi, yield Sold only in 10 ft 6 inch lengths. Used for struts in Pietenpol, Fisher, CGS Hawk, floats, Light Minature Aircraft. SOLD IN FULL LENGTHS ONLY. SKU: STR31-12-6 Our Price: $94.50 (that is per strut) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Schreiber" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane size > > > I'm ready to order stock for my cabane struts and I am still unsure what > size most everyone is using. > > My questions are....Does anyone know what size 1667 streamlined tubing was > in the old days, as specified on Bernards plans? > > There have been references to the use of 1.685 x 0.714 tubing, but what > about 1.349 x 0.571? Would the smaller size be OK strength wise? There > sure is a difference cost wise!!!!! > > I don't want to use aluminum, and would prefer not to use round tubing and > fair it out. What has everyone else been doing? I don't want to reinvent > the wheel. > > Thanks, > Rick Schreiber > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:16 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto I might be interested in one of the Mags. Chethartley1@mchsi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Magneto I still have two in a box that I never used. Steve@byu.edu From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago morete Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:28 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto I have seen old references in the archives to army surplus mags (Slick 4220). I am wondering if somebody has an extra one for sale. mm? Saludos Santiago ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Pregunt=E1. 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