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1. 03:56 AM - Re: *****SPAM***** Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? (Phillips, Jack)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? (Jim Markle)
4. 06:26 AM - keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
5. 06:40 AM - Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? (Rick Holland)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Jack T. Textor)
7. 07:12 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
9. 08:09 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Gordon Bowen)
10. 08:28 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
11. 08:54 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (James)
12. 09:15 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Gordon Bowen)
13. 09:20 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high ()
14. 09:54 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (LWATCDR)
15. 10:12 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Steve Eldredge)
16. 10:49 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Phillips, Jack)
17. 11:09 AM - keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 11:32 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (LWATCDR)
19. 11:40 AM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Phillips, Jack)
20. 12:06 PM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (LWATCDR)
21. 12:09 PM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
22. 01:12 PM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (LWATCDR)
23. 02:16 PM - Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high (Gordon Bowen)
24. 06:52 PM - Re: name/address (Wizzard187@aol.com)
25. 07:15 PM - Re: piet info (Dick Navratil)
26. 07:30 PM - Re: piet info (Rick Holland)
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Piet Directory-final |
decision?
You got it. That's a great idea.
Thanks
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final
decision?
>
> Glenn,
> Put my stuff in. Easy as pie.
> Just a suggestion, that you put an entry for final empty weight.
> When I built, had my Mentor hammering into my head not to add anything
> extra. So I'm kind of proud of my empty weight. (with about 2 changes, off
> hand, and the rest right to the plans) 1.7/1.8 oz fabric and PolyFiber.
> Long fuse, A-65, split gear, big wheels, 3 piece wing,, 595# empty
> wt.
> It climbs like a rocket.
> When I get back in the J-3 Cub for a BFR, it seems like it won't go up.
> Ain't Life Grand!
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
>
>
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn W. Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
>
>
>> <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>>
>> Steve/Walt
>> You guys can feel free to use this too. I just thought that going
>> forward
>> it would make it easy for anyone to add themselves to a directory without
>> creating work for anybody. Also don't have to worry about all the
>> different versions of a file floating around. I can dump the directory
>> to
>> a spreadsheet or .pdf on a regular basis too. ...and I am willing to
>> help
>> enter all the directory info that popped up on the forum.
>>
>> Not trying to take over the process. Just trying to help make this as
>> easy and convenient for all that seem to value having a directory.
>> Another idea I had (however corny it might sound) if people think it
>> would
>> be good to have a picture of themselves with their directory listing, it
>> would really make it nice for us to identify each other at Brodhead.
>> Last
>> year there would a lot of people that I didn't ever find out who they
>> were
>> but in the days after, learned that a lot of them were there. This would
>> help us find each other.
>>
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| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
For those of you building Pietenpols right now, let me reiterate how
important it is to keep the weight as low as possible. My Pietenpol is
much like Walt's - long fuselage, 3 piee wing, big wheels, A-65
Continental. His weighs 595, mine weighs 745. The things that added so
much weight to mine were:
1=2E Straight axle gear - adds about 15 lbs
2=2E Wide fuselage. Mine is 1" wider than plans, and I'd estimate it
added 5 to 10 lbs
3=2E Electrical system - I've got a battery, but no generator - added 18
lbs
4=2E Radio - added 4 lbs
5=2E Transponder - added 3 lbs
6=2E ELT - 5 lbs
7=2E 2.7 oz Polyfiber fabric - added 10 lbs (including the extra
polybrush and polyspray to fill the weave)
8=2E Polyurethane Paint - 40 lbs !! (That stuff is really heavy - when I
recover it, I'll use 1.7 oz fabric and Polytone)
9=2E Leather seats - 5 lbs
10. Instruments in front cockpit - 5 lbs
All these little extras total up to 115 lbs.
Saturday I took my next door neighbor (an R/C Model Airplane buff) up in
my Pietenpol. He weighs 160 lbs. With both of us and full fuel on
board, we got a good honest 150 fpm climb. After he left, I flew it
again and without that extra 160 lbs on board, it really did feel like
it was climbing like a rocket, with a solid 400 fpm climb. That extra
160 lbs made THAT MUCH difference in the performance.
As they say, "Simplicate and add Lightness"
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" (otherwise known as "Fatso")
Raleigh, NC
Counting the days until Brodhead
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Nice work Walt, shows that the long fuselage and three piece wing
provide a minimal weight penalty. I plan on using the 1.7 fabric also
and latex paint which may end up lighter than the Polyfiber stuff, but
with a Corvair engine and wider fuselage I am hoping to be something
under 700.
Rick
On 6/13/07, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
<waltdak@verizon.net>
Glenn,
Put my stuff in. Easy as pie.
Just a suggestion, that you put an entry for final empty weight.
When I built, had my Mentor hammering into my head not to add
anything
extra. So I'm kind of proud of my empty weight. (with about 2
changes, off
hand, and the rest right to the plans) 1.7/1.8 oz fabric and
PolyFiber.
Long fuse, A-65, split gear, big wheels, 3 piece wing,,
595# empty wt.
It climbs like a rocket.
When I get back in the J-3 Cub for a BFR, it seems like it won't
go up.
Ain't Life Grand!
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| Subject: | Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
-----Original Message-----
From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: 6/13/07 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Corky,
I think I have something that will work here. If you have a file that you pass
around you will eventually run into a situation where 2 or more people open it
and whoever saves it last is the only one who will show up. There is also the
problem of how to keep it somewhere so that everybody can get at it. I just
make a section on my website. If you go to the site on the home page on the
upper left there is a Community Links section. The top link is to the Piet Directory.
I started it off with myself. There is an online form that people
can use to enter as much info as they feel comfortable doing. As entries are
made the information is stored in a database that fills the directory page and
sorts it by last name. I think this might be the easiest way to put the directory
together and keep it alive.
This will take you straight into the directory...
http://www.flyingwood.com/directory.asp
I'll help enter info if you're interested in using it. It wasn't difficult to
make and I can change it if necessary.
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Walt,
Am still receiving these Piet builders reports, some on the Piet list and some
direct to me. Steve Ruse yesterday morning volunteered to take this project
and run but I haven't heard from him since. So, you Piets who know this computer
language and techniques take it and run hard. I'll forward to you direct the
names that were sent direct. That should make your list complete. Is this OK
with you? From the response I think this list will help the Piet group become
closer. Isabelle and I thank you
Corky
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Jack is 100% right with his post about what a difference 100 pounds can
make in performance. Even with my plane being a decent empty
weight my body weight gives me restricted passenger weight allotments.
If I want to take another guy my size flying I have to do it on a cooler
day or make sure I'm at a 3500' or longer airport because the climb does
suffer greatly ! I have been known to offload fuel to take a
passenger
for a ride and to make the climb less frightening. There is nothing
more unsettling that a cyclic feeling of climbing a little, descending a
little on
takeoff with a heavy load on a warmer day in a Pietenpol. Nobody wants
to be on the 6 o'clock news.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Update on Piet Directory-final decision? |
Thats the way to do it Glenn, just like Wikipedia it will maintain itself.
Plus when a persons Piet status changes they can just edit the online form.
Plus you are the most talented web designer among us based on the quality of
your site.
Rick
On 6/14/07, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 6/13/07 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
>
> Corky,
> I think I have something that will work here. If you have a file that you
> pass around you will eventually run into a situation where 2 or more people
> open it and whoever saves it last is the only one who will show up. There
> is also the problem of how to keep it somewhere so that everybody can get at
> it. I just make a section on my website. If you go to the site on the home
> page on the upper left there is a Community Links section. The top link is
> to the Piet Directory. I started it off with myself. There is an online
> form that people can use to enter as much info as they feel comfortable
> doing. As entries are made the information is stored in a database that
> fills the directory page and sorts it by last name. I think this might be
> the easiest way to put the directory together and keep it alive.
>
> This will take you straight into the directory...
> http://www.flyingwood.com/directory.asp
>
> I'll help enter info if you're interested in using it. It wasn't
> difficult to make and I can change it if necessary.
>
> Glenn W. Thomas
> Storrs, CT
> http://www.flyingwood.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
>
>
> Walt,
> Am still receiving these Piet builders reports, some on the Piet list
> and some direct to me. Steve Ruse yesterday morning volunteered to take
> this project and run but I haven't heard from him since. So, you Piets who
> know this computer language and techniques take it and run hard. I'll
> forward to you direct the names that were sent direct. That should make your
> list complete. Is this OK with you? From the response I think this list will
> help the Piet group become closer. Isabelle and I thank you
> Corky
>
>
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>
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Mike,
We know that's why you prefer light-weight female passengers :-)
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
So, minimum weight being somewhat limited, would more power be OK? Maybe use
a Lycoming O-235? Would the extra engine weight or power be dangerous?
Boyce
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
We know that's why you prefer light-weight female passengers :-)
Jack---precisely. Purely performance and safety consideration when
selecting passengers.
Another reason not to diet seriously.
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Beauty of homebuilding, you learn everyday. No, extra engine weight is
not dangerous BUT lack of knowledge about max. wing loadings, g forces
in various bank angles and weight/balance is very dangerous. I fly
N-1033B with a O-235, about 108hp, empty wt. of plane is 685lbs with
battery, hershey-bar type Aeronca wing with known max. wing loading and
max known performance of this type of wing. Unknown is how well this
wing is attached to the homebuilt part of the plane, but so far so good.
Composite guru, Burt Rutan was once asked at a forum tent in Oshkosh
about add-on stuff for the Longeze, he quipped back "if you throw it
(meaning radios, gps, etc) up in the air and it comes back down, don't
put it on your airplane". Boyce, whatever you do about engines etc.,
never never rely on this forum or anyone else for your information about
what is and what is not dangerous, YOU are the builder and YOU are the
TEST Pilot. Get your info from mulitple engineering sources, get your
alternate opinions and ideas from the EAA chapter guys or tech advisers
and place like this forum.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb
rate high
So, minimum weight being somewhat limited, would more power be OK?
Maybe use a Lycoming O-235? Would the extra engine weight or power be
dangerous?
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Well said Gordon. Are there many Piets with the O-235, or are you the only
one so far. I'm not interested in trying to go 100mph in it, but like the idea
of more climb performance. I'm building a Mustang II for cross country
stuff, and love the looks of the Pietenpol, so I'd like it to be my next project.
I'm in Columbia, SC, elev 236. But our hot summers naturally hurt.
Boyce
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
George Reads has an O-235 in it.
Jim T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb rate
high
Well said Gordon. Are there many Piets with the O-235, or are you
the
only one so far. I'm not interested in trying to go 100mph in it, but
like
the idea of more climb performance. I'm building a Mustang II for cross
country stuff, and love the looks of the Pietenpol, so I'd like it to be
my
next project. I'm in Columbia, SC, elev 236. But our hot summers
naturally
hurt.
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Boyce,
At least one other guy in So. Africa who sometimes contributes to this
forum has nice looking 0-235 powered Piete he sent me a pic a couple
years ago when I was considering a Lyc 235 engine, maybe some others
around,too. Don't know what "Mountain Piete" was using for power in
mountains of CO. N-1033B climbs like an elevator out of hot humid wet
grass strips in FL, even with my fat 280lbs and 22 gals fuel. Extended
the engine mount forward 4" to get w/b right for my weight.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb
rate high
Well said Gordon. Are there many Piets with the O-235, or are you
the only one so far. I'm not interested in trying to go 100mph in it,
but like the idea of more climb performance. I'm building a Mustang II
for cross country stuff, and love the looks of the Pietenpol, so I'd
like it to be my next project. I'm in Columbia, SC, elev 236. But our
hot summers naturally hurt.
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
There is no such thing as too much power!
There might be insufficient structure or control or fuel, or horrible weight and
balance from a big engine, but never, ever, too much power.
Mike Hardaway
---- RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote:
> So, minimum weight being somewhat limited, would more power be OK? Maybe use
> a Lycoming O-235? Would the extra engine weight or power be dangerous?
> Boyce
>
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
>
> Even a C-85 or 0-200 should make a big difference in climb rate. Steve
> Elderidge on this list that flies out of Provo UT. I asked him about how the
> Piet performed out there.
The piet is a cool weather airplane good to about 10500'. Solo it will fly
> any day of the year. Adding a passenger it starts to suffer in climb. I am
> surprised actually how well it performs. We often have 8-9000' days here
> during the heat. I usually am at work in an air-conditioned office at that
> time.
I think he has a C-85 or A-65 on his Piet. Provo in the summer is Hot and
High all it lacks is Humidity to make it a worst case.
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Yep. I have and A-65, at a field elevation of 4500', A/C empty weight
of 626lbs. I'd love to have an O-200, but have yet to find someone to
donate to the cause, or trade straight across. Still - I have to admit,
when you only climb to 1000' agl max, rate of climb bragging rights
doesn't mean much. So it takes 5 minutes with a passenger, instead of
2? More quality time in the air!
Seriously though it would be nice to be able to heft larger passengers
on warmer evenings, and enjoy higher performance climbs. So if anyone
does have a spare O-200, I would not turn it down!
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LWATCDR
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb rate
high
Even a C-85 or 0-200 should make a big difference in climb rate.
Steve Elderidge on this list that flies out of Provo UT. I asked him
about how the Piet performed out there.
The piet is a cool weather airplane good to about 10500'. Solo
it will fly any day of the year. Adding a passenger it starts to suffer
in climb. I am surprised actually how well it performs. We often have
8-9000' days here during the heat. I usually am at work in an
air-conditioned office at that time.
I think he has a C-85 or A-65 on his Piet. Provo in the summer is Hot
and High all it lacks is Humidity to make it a worst case.
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Yeah, it's not like you need to zoom up to 7500' AGL before cooking in
an enclosed cabin on a hot summer afternoon.
My only gripe with the gross weight climb rate of my Pietenpol is that I
can't carry passengers out of the field where I'm based. It is only
2,000' long with 100' tall trees at the end of the runway. I've never
tried to carry a passenger from there, but I can do the math: I can get
off the ground in about 400', so that leaves 1600' to climb 100'. At 50
mph it will take me 22 seconds to cover 1600', and to climb 100' in that
22 seconds I will have to climb at 273 fpm. When I've carried
passengers I have never seen that kind of climb rate (I've got a
Vertical Speed Indicator) - usually it is somewhere between 100 fpm and
150 fpm. Of course, solo I get about 400 fpm, so it is no problem then.
For what it's worth, my old Cessna 140 was not much better flying out of
that runway. On a hot summer day with full tanks and a passenger on
board, every takeoff was a botany study. Eventually I replaced the C-85
with an O-200 in the Cessna and while the cruise speed only increased by
about 1 mph, the takeoff and climb was much improved.
When I'm carrying passengers in the Pietenpol I fly them out of Sanford
(TTA), where the runway is 6,000' long with wide open approaches. Of
course, then I get comments like "It took us over a minute to fly to the
end of the runway."
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb rate
high
Yep. I have and A-65, at a field elevation of 4500', A/C empty weight
of 626lbs. I'd love to have an O-200, but have yet to find someone to
donate to the cause, or trade straight across. Still - I have to admit,
when you only climb to 1000' agl max, rate of climb bragging rights
doesn't mean much. So it takes 5 minutes with a passenger, instead of
2? More quality time in the air!
Seriously though it would be nice to be able to heft larger passengers
on warmer evenings, and enjoy higher performance climbs. So if anyone
does have a spare O-200, I would not turn it down!
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LWATCDR
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb rate
high
Even a C-85 or 0-200 should make a big difference in climb rate.
Steve Elderidge on this list that flies out of Provo UT. I asked him
about how the Piet performed out there.
The piet is a cool weather airplane good to about 10500'. Solo
it will fly any day of the year. Adding a passenger it starts to suffer
in climb. I am surprised actually how well it performs. We often have
8-9000' days here during the heat. I usually am at work in an
air-conditioned office at that time.
I think he has a C-85 or A-65 on his Piet. Provo in the summer is Hot
and High all it lacks is Humidity to make it a worst case.
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Mountain Piet has a turbocharged Subaru EA-82 with reduction drive on it.
Not sure what the redrive ratio is or what the redline is, maybe somebody
can figure out what the nominal HP is for that combination but it is plenty
strong.
I once mentioned that William Wynne told me that his Corvair powered Piet
cruised "in the yellow" and climbed very briskly. It would also easily
exceed Vne in level flight with the throttle firewalled. The converted
Corvair without blower and with a clean intake and exhaust setup puts out an
honest 100HP, which is in the O-200 category and perhaps even in the O-235
category if done right and the prop allows it, since it is rated at 110HP
compared to the O-235's 108 HP. Consider that the Ford A engine puts out
about 1/3 of what the Corvair does and even the A-65 (like mine) wide open
is like running the Corvair at 65% power.
I've had the same experience with 41CC as everyone else with 65HP reports...
solo, it climbs very nicely but with full fuel and a standard passenger up
front, the difference can be dramatic. Not really uncomfortable, but you
don't want to have to clear 50' trees off the end of a short runway in that
configuration.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Is that Sanford, FL?
If so where you at Lakeland this year? I only saw one Aircamper when I was
there and it had a Model A motor in it. I was hoping to show my wife a few
but no luck. She loved Sun and Fun but is doesn't like the idea of an open
cockpit.
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| Subject: | keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
TTA is Sanford, NC. I was at SNF this year, and had planned to fly my
Pietenpol down, but the tornados on Sunday and 50 mph winds on Monday
prevented me from trying. I'll try to fly it down there next year.
Jack Phillips
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb rate
high
Is that Sanford, FL?
If so where you at Lakeland this year? I only saw one Aircamper when I
was there and it had a Model A motor in it. I was hoping to show my
wife a few but no luck. She loved Sun and Fun but is doesn't like the
idea of an open cockpit.
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
You let tornados and 50 MPH winds stop you? What a wimp, just kidding.
I had instructor tell me once that the most dangerous thing a pilot can say
is, "I think I can make it".
All pilots have to land, the good ones pick where, when and how. Or in your
case when to stay on the ground.
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
I've been to Sun N Fun for 3 of the last 4 years. Missed this year. I have
yet to see a Pietenpol! Where do ya'll tie down? Must be in the ultralight
area? I've been pretty much all over the other areas. That place is big. One
year when dad went, I rented one of those $50 powered handicap cart things. May
have been more I can't remember. He complained about the cost. I knew he
wouldn't be able to enjoy himself though without it. Never been to Oshkosh. I
hear it's even bigger?
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
The only aircamper I saw was over by the classics. The day we got to go was
Saturday and most of the homebuilt flightline was off limits. My wife loved
it so much she wants to go for several days next year.
My personal highlight? I got to see the Brockjaw Jones Bullet. Why back when
I was in middle school I got a copy of Janes Handbook of Homebuilt Aircraft.
That plane was an instant target of lust for me. It was the only only plane
in the book that would go 300 MPH. You could buy plans for it for $500. I
have no idea how many where made but the one at Lakeland was the one from
that book. I think it was the first if not only one made.
Oh they put a gas trubine in it. I wonder how fast it is now!
The other plane in that book I really wanted was the Melmoth.
On 6/14/07, RAMPEYBOY@aol.com <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com> wrote:
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> I've been to Sun N Fun for 3 of the last 4 years. Missed this year. I
> have yet to see a Pietenpol! Where do ya'll tie down? Must be in
> the ultralight area? I've been pretty much all over the other areas. That
> place is big. One year when dad went, I rented one of those $50 powered
> handicap cart things. May have been more I can't remember. He complained
> about the cost. I knew he wouldn't be able to enjoy himself though without
> it. Never been to Oshkosh. I hear it's even bigger?
> Boyce
>
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| Subject: | Re: keeping your weight low and your climb rate high |
Steve,
While working on my instrument rating out of Ogden, we'd fly down for
practice missed approaches into Provo using Hill AFB flying club C-172.
With me, instructor and near full tanks, SLC ATC used to get into a
panic when we'd take 5 min. to climb back to radio contact due to slow
rate of climb(max 100f/m) and Point of the Mt. being between us and ATC.
Very hot dry days were worst. Think the C-150 had a C-200 engine.
Nice thing about Lycosaurus 0-235 is you can do the Sparrow conversion
with the cylinders and get 125 hp without any additional weight penalty.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb
rate high
Yep. I have and A-65, at a field elevation of 4500', A/C empty
weight of 626lbs. I'd love to have an O-200, but have yet to find
someone to donate to the cause, or trade straight across. Still - I
have to admit, when you only climb to 1000' agl max, rate of climb
bragging rights doesn't mean much. So it takes 5 minutes with a
passenger, instead of 2? More quality time in the air!
Seriously though it would be nice to be able to heft larger passengers
on warmer evenings, and enjoy higher performance climbs. So if anyone
does have a spare O-200, I would not turn it down!
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LWATCDR
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:54 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: keeping your weight low and your climb
rate high
Even a C-85 or 0-200 should make a big difference in climb rate.
Steve Elderidge on this list that flies out of Provo UT. I asked him
about how the Piet performed out there.
The piet is a cool weather airplane good to about 10500'. Solo it
will fly any day of the year. Adding a passenger it starts to suffer in
climb. I am surprised actually how well it performs. We often have
8-9000' days here during the heat. I usually am at work in an
air-conditioned office at that time.
I think he has a C-85 or A-65 on his Piet. Provo in the summer is Hot
and High all it lacks is Humidity to make it a worst case.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
com
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I am building a modified GN-l. Have it about done after 6 years. Have
motorcycle wheels, Centrifugal starter on a Cont 75-9, beech roby variable
mechanical pitch prop, four solar panels from Harbor freight to power my smoke
motor, tip lights and GPS outlet. It might be a single place but with all that
weight up front my CG is pretty good with 240 in the back seat. Ken
Conrad in Long Grove Iowa
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Rick
It will be doing 70 mph all the way to Brodhead. I am going to trailer
it there. Then I am taking it to OSH. The Rotec factory asked me to be
in their booth.
Dick
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From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: piet info
Think you can taxi it all the way to Broadhead Dick?
Rick
NX25RN
long fuse / Rotec R-2800 / painted N# on wings today -99% done, will
be taxi testing next month.
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That will be great Dick, I will look forward to seeing you again and your
new Piet (even if it ain't flying).
Rick
On 6/14/07, Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
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> Rick
> It will be doing 70 mph all the way to Brodhead. I am going to trailer it
> there. Then I am taking it to OSH. The Rotec factory asked me to be in
> their booth.
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:07 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: piet info
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> Think you can taxi it all the way to Broadhead Dick?
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> Rick
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> NX25RN
> > long fuse / Rotec R-2800 / painted N# on wings today -99% done, will be
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