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1. 07:37 AM - Beautiful morning flight in Central Ohio (shad bell)
2. 07:59 AM - Photos from Brussels 2007 (Bill Church)
3. 10:10 AM - Nice looking Pietenpol project on Barnstormers.com (Bill Church)
4. 06:36 PM - Re: Wide body. (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
5. 08:35 PM - drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Scott Schreiber)
6. 08:48 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Dick Navratil)
7. 09:39 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Scott Schreiber)
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| Subject: | Beautiful morning flight in Central Ohio |
What a morning! I got off work at 7:30 am, came home put some magic blue juice
in the tank and went flying in the piet. Right after I took off, climbing out
I saw a flight of 3 wacos off my left wing coming at me. I swung around on
there tail and followed them 10 miles to Wyncoop, (I needed fuel any way...right?).
The air was a cool 65 degrees and the engine was running good and in the
green. I arrived at Wyncoop about 3 min behind the last Waco. So I took a
look at the 4 wacos that were already there and departed for home. Winds picked
up just a little on the way back and was just bumpy enough to keep me awake
for the 15 min flight home. Rolled her in the hanger put the door down, and
walked in to the house to tell you all about this beutiful cool, clear Ohio morning
I had. I hope to see some of you Piet'ers at the fly in this Saturday (the
waco guys seem to be unsocialable with the homebuilt crowd, maybe because
we can build 10 piets for the price of one Waco.)
Anyways hope to see you all sometime this summer, now it's bed time. 10:30am
Shad
(still wound up from flying again)
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| Subject: | Photos from Brussels 2007 |
I've downloaded some shots from the Pietenpol gathering held last
weekend in Brussels, Ontario. It was a great day - nice weather, lots of
people and lots of planes, including seven (and a half) Pietenpols.The
photos can be found at:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=314
Bill C
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| Subject: | Nice looking Pietenpol project on Barnstormers.com |
There's a really nice looking Corvair-powered Pietenpol project (almost
completed) for sale on Barnstormers right now. The pictures look good at
least.
http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search&PHPSESSID=b29e34feaa5
6b4
31b406bc93ea77ee6f
Bill C.
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Bill,
I said it was a down side to wide. Making the point to would be builders that what
ever you do outside of the prints has a price component. Weight, cost availability
and budget are just a few of those issues.
To compensate for the extra weight penalty, I intend using ac grade aluminium where
possible to get back the advantage.
As so nicely put in the Michael Cuy DVD, its my airplanen so I chose wide glide
its by me for me and for the moment I am having fun in the process.
I plan to adress other weight penalty issues in other ways.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John wrote:
Major down side is the plywood usage. What should take an 1 eigth sheet now takes
more which will drive the cost up...
I am always surprised how much attention is given to the additional cost of the
plywood when widening the fuselage.
In my opinion, the only real concern would be the additional weight that you'll
be adding. I am going by memory here, but I think Jack Phillips said he figured
that the extra 1" of width added ten pounds to the weight of his plane - additional
plywood, spruce, fabric, paint, etc. (you can correct that if it's wrong,
Jack). But... if you need the extra width, you need it. However, using ten
pounds per added inch as a basis, the 29" width would be adding considerable
weight to your plane.
As for the added plywood cost, all you're talking about is an extra 4' x 4' sheet
of 1/4" ply (which AS&S lists on their website today at $71.25 for Finnish
Birch Aircraft Ply). To save a few bucks, just use Okoume plywood, (which AS&S
lists on their website today at $19.45 for a full 4' x 8' sheet, which would
allow you to sheet the entire bottom in one piece). Even if you are a scrounger,
and your entire plane ends up costing $10,000, an extra $100 for plywood is
only 1% of the total. Not really worth worrying about.
My $0.02 (Canadian)
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| Subject: | drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
I have both wings done sans bracing wire, and need to get that done. I
made the fittings and am ready to do the wires. As I understand it the
hard wire is either not available or not used? What sort of wire and
fittings are appropriate for this? And I suppose I have the same
question for the tail brace and the brace wire between the lift struts.
Other than the center section I can say I have all the major assemblys
done. So it seems I am headed into that last 25% that takes as long as
the first 75% or however it breaks down these days.
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Scott
3/32x7/19 is good for internal drag wires with MS21251-b3s turnbuckles.
Wing strut fittings are 1/8" 7/19 wire and turnbuckles are MS
21251-b5s.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
I have both wings done sans bracing wire, and need to get that done. I
made the fittings and am ready to do the wires. As I understand it the
hard wire is either not available or not used? What sort of wire and
fittings are appropriate for this? And I suppose I have the same
question for the tail brace and the brace wire between the lift struts.
Other than the center section I can say I have all the major assemblys
done. So it seems I am headed into that last 25% that takes as long as
the first 75% or however it breaks down these days.
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Dick, thanks for the quick response, I have my bolt list together and
just need to add the wire and such. I found the turnbuckles on Wicks
right away but searching for 3/32x7/19 didn't turn up anything. Is that
any specific type of wire that would be listed in the catalog?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
Scott
3/32x7/19 is good for internal drag wires with MS21251-b3s
turnbuckles. Wing strut fittings are 1/8" 7/19 wire and turnbuckles
are MS 21251-b5s.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
I have both wings done sans bracing wire, and need to get that done.
I made the fittings and am ready to do the wires. As I understand it the
hard wire is either not available or not used? What sort of wire and
fittings are appropriate for this? And I suppose I have the same
question for the tail brace and the brace wire between the lift struts.
Other than the center section I can say I have all the major assemblys
done. So it seems I am headed into that last 25% that takes as long as
the first 75% or however it breaks down these days.
-Scott Schreiber
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