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1. 05:11 AM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Phillips, Jack)
2. 06:43 AM - drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Phillips, Jack)
4. 08:17 AM - rigging (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
5. 11:05 AM - Re: Wide body. (Bill Church)
6. 11:15 AM - Re: Wide body. ()
7. 12:01 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Gene & Tammy)
8. 12:20 PM - Re: Wide body. (walt evans)
9. 12:34 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Phillips, Jack)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Wide body. (Phillips, Jack)
11. 01:34 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Gene & Tammy)
12. 02:01 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (HelsperSew@aol.com)
13. 02:02 PM - Re: Wide body. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
14. 02:59 PM - Re: Wide body. (walt evans)
15. 05:35 PM - Re: rigging (shad bell)
16. 05:46 PM - Re: Wide body. (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
17. 09:05 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Dick Navratil)
18. 09:26 PM - Re: Wide body. (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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Subject: | drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Hi Scott,
I used 1/8" 1 x 19 cables for my drag and anti-drag wires. You can find
cable in the Aircraft Spruce catalog (page 139 in the current catalog).
Wicks and Dillsburg carry it as well, at generally better prices.
1 x 19 is stronger than 7 x 19, but is less flexible and can be a real
bear to bend around the thimble and crimp in a nicopress fitting. For
the slight difference in tensile strength, I would not recommend 1 x 19,
but go with the more flexible 7 x 19 cable. There has been discussion
on this list recently about what kind of nicopress fittings to use with
galvanized or stainless cable. Use zinc or nickel plated copper for
stainless cable, bare copper with galvanized cable. I must confess, I
didn't know there was a difference and used bare copper on my stainless
cables. Just another item to check carefully during the annual
condition inspection.
Be careful to trammel the wing accurately when you install and tighten
the drag and anti-drag wires. If your wing is trammeled accurately, and
rigged well the plane will fly pretty much hands off. Skip this step
and you'll find yourself adding ground adjustable trim tabs to your
ailerons.
Good luck,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Counting the days till Brodhead
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Schreiber
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
Dick, thanks for the quick response, I have my bolt list together and
just need to add the wire and such. I found the turnbuckles on Wicks
right away but searching for 3/32x7/19 didn't turn up anything. Is that
any specific type of wire that would be listed in the catalog?
-Scott
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From: Dick Navratil <mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires
and fittings
Scott
3/32x7/19 is good for internal drag wires with MS21251-b3s
turnbuckles. Wing strut fittings are 1/8" 7/19 wire and turnbuckles
are MS 21251-b5s.
Dick N.
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From: Scott Schreiber <mailto:got22b@subarubrat.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut
wires and fittings
I have both wings done sans bracing wire, and need to
get that done. I made the fittings and am ready to do the wires. As I
understand it the hard wire is either not available or not used? What
sort of wire and fittings are appropriate for this? And I suppose I have
the same question for the tail brace and the brace wire between the lift
struts. Other than the center section I can say I have all the major
assemblys done. So it seems I am headed into that last 25% that takes as
long as the first 75% or however it breaks down these days.
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Subject: | drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Jack wrote-
>If your wing is trammeled accurately, and rigged well
>the plane will fly pretty much hands off.
That's one thing I noted in Mike Cuy's video... everything looks so
perfectly square and rectilinear in his uncovered wings. A little care here
will sure pay off. Corky must have done the same with 41CC because it can
be flown pretty much hands-off (okay, just a little dab of rudder now and
again to pick up a wing) either solo or two-up. I never fly it hands-off
since it always seems to be bumpy when I fly but when I was getting
instruction in it, I tended to fight the stick constantly and ol' Charlie
finally just yelled in the headset for me to take my hands completely off
the stick so I did, and to my amazement the airplane didn't fall off on a
wing and go into a spin ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
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Subject: | drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
I said it would fly hands off. I never said it would fly "feet off".
In smooth air I can fly mine for minutes at a time with my hand off the
stick, as long as I keep my feet on the rudder bar. Pietenpols tend to
have pretty much neutral stability in the yaw axis and it doesn't take
much to make the nose wander off. If I take my feet off, within a few
seconds the nose will wander, which will tend to raise a wing and there
she goes.
Jack Phillips
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Jack wrote-
>If your wing is trammeled accurately, and rigged well the plane will
>fly pretty much hands off.
That's one thing I noted in Mike Cuy's video... everything looks so
perfectly square and rectilinear in his uncovered wings. A little care
here will sure pay off. Corky must have done the same with 41CC because
it can be flown pretty much hands-off (okay, just a little dab of rudder
now and again to pick up a wing) either solo or two-up. I never fly it
hands-off since it always seems to be bumpy when I fly but when I was
getting instruction in it, I tended to fight the stick constantly and
ol' Charlie finally just yelled in the headset for me to take my hands
completely off the stick so I did, and to my amazement the airplane
didn't fall off on a wing and go into a spin ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I had two IA's that couldn't have stressed proper rigging to me more and
in reading the Tony B.
books on this he too couldn't stress proper rigging enough. Bill Klosz
(WWII vet who flew B-24's
and IA) helped me rig with his digital angle finder level to make sure
everything was right including
washout of about 3/8" at the third rib in from the wing tip ala J-3's
and such. I'm glad those guys
hounded me thru the rigging--it paid off.
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John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra financial
cost of making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall scheme of
things. Now, if you are building multiple Air Campers, like Bernard
Pietenpol did, then it begins to have a real impact on costs (it also
doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed). Someone
commented once that to build one Pietenpol, you make enough parts for
three - the third set is usually the best, and that's what goes in the
plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you can
build your plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm
paraphrasing here), "If you're thinking about adding something to your
plane, throw that item up in the air. If it comes back down, don't add
it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you build
is up to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all have a
duty to research any changes that we intend to make. Every little change
tends to impact on several other things. We just need to be careful
about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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My electric starter came down with a real hard thud but I wouldn't
change it for all the tea in China.It's so nice to just get in there and
not have to worry about propping that bugger.Oh the battery came down
with a thud too.;-) I'll bet I could even add the generator that came
with it and there wouldn't be a hell of a lot of difference in
performance either.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: June 21, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra financial
cost of making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall scheme of
things. Now, if you are building multiple Air Campers, like Bernard
Pietenpol did, then it begins to have a real impact on costs (it also
doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed). Someone
commented once that to build one Pietenpol, you make enough parts for
three - the third set is usually the best, and that's what goes in the
plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you can
build your plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm
paraphrasing here), "If you're thinking about adding something to your
plane, throw that item up in the air. If it comes back down, don't add
it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you build
is up to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all have a
duty to research any changes that we intend to make. Every little change
tends to impact on several other things. We just need to be careful
about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Jack,
I'm not fimilliar with the term "trammel". I'm getting ready to move my
wings back 3" to correct my W & B and will need to redo the drag and
anti-drag wires. Any thoughts?
Gene
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.Speaking of starters,,,Has anyone seen a
way to put a starter on an A-65?. Just keep wondering from time to time.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
My electric starter came down with a real hard thud but I wouldn't
change it for all the tea in China.It's so nice to just get in there and
not have to worry about propping that bugger.Oh the battery came down
with a thud too.;-) I'll bet I could even add the generator that came
with it and there wouldn't be a hell of a lot of difference in
performance either.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
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Sent: June 21, 2007 2:05 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra financial
cost of making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall scheme of
things. Now, if you are building multiple Air Campers, like Bernard
Pietenpol did, then it begins to have a real impact on costs (it also
doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed). Someone
commented once that to build one Pietenpol, you make enough parts for
three - the third set is usually the best, and that's what goes in the
plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you can
build your plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm
paraphrasing here), "If you're thinking about adding something to your
plane, throw that item up in the air. If it comes back down, don't add
it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you
build is up to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all
have a duty to research any changes that we intend to make. Every little
change tends to impact on several other things. We just need to be
careful about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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Subject: | drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Are you going to redo the drag and anti-drag wires inside the wing? Or
are you talking about the flying wires between the lift struts?
Trammeling is the process of ensuring the spars are parallel and
perpendicular to the chord line - in other words that the wing is
straight and square. It would be pretty difficult to do it after it is
covered.(hard enough to safety wire all those turnbuckles without trying
to do it through an inspection hole).
Jack
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
Jack,
I'm not fimilliar with the term "trammel". I'm getting ready to move my
wings back 3" to correct my W & B and will need to redo the drag and
anti-drag wires. Any thoughts?
Gene
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Buy an A65-9 accessory case. Those are pretty rare. They were made for
the Mooney Mite, which used the A65 , but with its tricycle gear made
hand-propping very uncomfortable and dangerous. Or talk with Bill Rewey
at Brodhead. He's got an ingenious starter on his A-65 powered Piet.
Jack
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
Speaking of starters,,,Has anyone seen a way to put a starter on an
A-65?. Just keep wondering from time to time.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
My electric starter came down with a real hard thud but I
wouldn't change it for all the tea in China.It's so nice to just get in
there and not have to worry about propping that bugger.Oh the battery
came down with a thud too.;-) I'll bet I could even add the generator
that came with it and there wouldn't be a hell of a lot of difference in
performance either.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
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Sent: June 21, 2007 2:05 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra
financial cost of making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall
scheme of things. Now, if you are building multiple Air Campers, like
Bernard Pietenpol did, then it begins to have a real impact on costs (it
also doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed).
Someone commented once that to build one Pietenpol, you make enough
parts for three - the third set is usually the best, and that's what
goes in the plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you
can build your plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm
paraphrasing here), "If you're thinking about adding something to your
plane, throw that item up in the air. If it comes back down, don't add
it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what
you build is up to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We
all have a duty to research any changes that we intend to make. Every
little change tends to impact on several other things. We just need to
be careful about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Thanks Jack. Only redoing the flying wires between the lift struts.
Walt Evans has been schooling me on moving the wings for my W & B and I
had not heard of Trammeling (obviously I didn't build my Piet).
Gene
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Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Hi Jack,
FYI for everyone that hasn't gotten that far, trammeling would be near
impossible after gluing a few sets of ribs to the spars. That sucker gets stiff
right away. There is no forgiveness at all once you get going. Before gluing,
I put both spars on 3 saw horses (with the ribs loose-laced on) and
shimmed-up to a laser line to get all points level with the world.
Dan Helsper
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Walt,
I can forward you information on A-65 with aftermarket starters applied by the
air boat industries. They use a small alternator with a high output starter
and use a lycoming ring gear...... Anyway, I seen on of these conversions sell
on eBay for $250.00 bucks. I will search for the gentleman who makes the conversion
which hangs off the front and uses existing mounting holes and bolts.
Ken
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wondering from time to time.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
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From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
My electric starter came down with a real hard thud but I wouldnt change it
for all the tea in China.Its so nice to just get in there and not have to worry
about propping that bugger.Oh the battery came down with a thud too.;-) Ill
bet I could even add the generator that came with it and there wouldnt be a hell
of a lot of difference in performance either.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: June 21, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra financial cost of
making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall scheme of things. Now,
if you are building multiple Air Campers, like Bernard Pietenpol did, then it
begins to have a real impact on costs (it also doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or
whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed). Someone commented once that to build one Pietenpol,
you make enough parts for three - the third set is usually the best,
and that's what goes in the plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you can build your
plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm paraphrasing here), "If you're
thinking about adding something to your plane, throw that item up in the
air. If it comes back down, don't add it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you build is up
to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all have a duty to research
any changes that we intend to make. Every little change tends to impact
on several other things. We just need to be careful about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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Ken,
That would be great! I'd love to add a starter.
Keep me posted!
thanks
Walt Evans
NX140DL
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From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
Walt,
I can forward you information on A-65 with aftermarket starters
applied by the air boat industries. They use a small alternator with a
high output starter and use a lycoming ring gear...... Anyway, I seen
on of these conversions sell on eBay for $250.00 bucks. I will search
for the gentleman who makes the conversion which hangs off the front and
uses existing mounting holes and bolts.
Ken
walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
Speaking of starters,,,Has anyone seen a way to put a starter on an
A-65?. Just keep wondering from time to time.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
My electric starter came down with a real hard thud but I wouldn't
change it for all the tea in China.It's so nice to just get in there and
not have to worry about propping that bugger.Oh the battery came down
with a thud too.;-) I'll bet I could even add the generator that came
with it and there wouldn't be a hell of a lot of difference in
performance either.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Church
Sent: June 21, 2007 2:05 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra
financial cost of making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall
scheme of things. Now, if you are building multiple Air Campers, like
Bernard Pietenpol did, then it begins to have a real impact on costs (it
also doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed).
Someone commented once that to build one Pietenpol, you make enough
parts for three - the third set is usually the best, and that's what
goes in the plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you
can build your plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm
paraphrasing here), "If you're thinking about adding something to your
plane, throw that item up in the air. If it comes back down, don't add
it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you
build is up to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all
have a duty to research any changes that we intend to make. Every little
change tends to impact on several other things. We just need to be
careful about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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Another handy tool for rigging washout and dihedrial (if you put any in) is a surveyers
level, or transit as I think it's called. My grandfather used to be
a contractor so we had access to one for rigging the piet. Like Mike did we went
to a particular rib (2nd or 3rd from the tip) and counted forward from the
trailing edge 2 or 3 rib stitches and sighted in on what ever measurement we
were going for and thats all there was to it. It flew hands off on the first
flight, except in pitch because there is no elevator trim, and I'm 35lbs lighter
than Dad. It stalls almost streight ahead, and won't break hard unless you
really pull the nose up to 25-30 degrees.
Shad
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Bill,
The novice builder that I am, I could not agree more with your points and comments.
Having never flown or ridden in a Piet, I am amazed at how much I am in love with
the process of the build or the idea that so much enjoyment and I get a great
airplane at the end too.
Enjoy the journey of the build and never loose sight of the prize at the end!
Thanks again for your insight.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra financial cost of making
the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall scheme of things. Now, if
you are building multiple Air Campers, like Bernard Pietenpol did, then it begins
to have a real impact on costs (it also doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or
whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed). Someone commented once that to build one Pietenpol,
you make enough parts for three - the third set is usually the best, and
that's what goes in the plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you can build your
plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm paraphrasing here), "If you're
thinking about adding something to your plane, throw that item up in the air.
If it comes back down, don't add it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you build is up to
you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all have a duty to research
any changes that we intend to make. Every little change tends to impact on
several other things. We just need to be careful about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
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Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
Scott
Save some money and look for the 3/32 wire at the local hardware store.
Also you can use galvanized for the interior cables. Galvanized cable
is also better for any of your control cables that pass thru turning
blocks.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
Dick, thanks for the quick response, I have my bolt list together and
just need to add the wire and such. I found the turnbuckles on Wicks
right away but searching for 3/32x7/19 didn't turn up anything. Is that
any specific type of wire that would be listed in the catalog?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
Scott
3/32x7/19 is good for internal drag wires with MS21251-b3s
turnbuckles. Wing strut fittings are 1/8" 7/19 wire and turnbuckles
are MS 21251-b5s.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and
fittings
I have both wings done sans bracing wire, and need to get that
done. I made the fittings and am ready to do the wires. As I understand
it the hard wire is either not available or not used? What sort of wire
and fittings are appropriate for this? And I suppose I have the same
question for the tail brace and the brace wire between the lift struts.
Other than the center section I can say I have all the major assemblys
done. So it seems I am headed into that last 25% that takes as long as
the first 75% or however it breaks down these days.
-Scott Schreiber
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Jack,
I recently ran an ad for the a-65 accessory case and came across several. The
case is not the problem. It is the gears and the special mags needed to make
the system work. In my opinion, too many "special parts" that need to be rounded
up and then you become limited in options when something breaks.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
(where the movie failed and the money is lost!)
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Buy an A65-9 accessory case. Those are pretty rare. They were made for
the Mooney Mite, which used the A65 , but with its tricycle gear made hand-propping
very uncomfortable and dangerous. Or talk with Bill Rewey at Brodhead.
He's got an ingenious starter on his A-65 powered Piet.
Jack
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
Speaking of starters,,,Has anyone seen a way to put a starter on an A-65?. Just
keep wondering from time to time.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
My electric starter came down with a real hard thud but I wouldnt change it
for all the tea in China.Its so nice to just get in there and not have to worry
about propping that bugger.Oh the battery came down with a thud too.;-) Ill
bet I could even add the generator that came with it and there wouldnt be a hell
of a lot of difference in performance either.
---------------------------------
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: June 21, 2007 2:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wide body.
John,
The only real point I was trying to make was that the extra financial cost of
making the fuse wider really is minimal in the overall scheme of things. Now,
if you are building multiple Air Campers, like Bernard Pietenpol did, then it
begins to have a real impact on costs (it also doesn't hurt to weigh 140 lb or
whatever Mr. Pietenpol weighed). Someone commented once that to build one Pietenpol,
you make enough parts for three - the third set is usually the best,
and that's what goes in the plane.
As for weight, I have read many, many times that the lighter you can build your
plane, the better. As someone else once said (I'm paraphrasing here), "If you're
thinking about adding something to your plane, throw that item up in the
air. If it comes back down, don't add it to your plane."
You are absolutely correct that you are the builder, and what you build is up
to you. That's the beauty of experimental aircraft. We all have a duty to research
any changes that we intend to make. Every little change tends to impact
on several other things. We just need to be careful about the changes.
Good luck with the weight savings, and keep having fun.
Bill C.
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