---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/24/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:38 AM - moving wing back (RBush96589@aol.com) 2. 08:47 AM - Re: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) (shad bell) 3. 11:07 AM - Re: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) (Gene & Tammy) 4. 11:16 AM - Re: moving wing back (Gene & Tammy) 5. 01:25 PM - Re: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) (walt evans) 6. 03:27 PM - Wing strut cable turnbuckles (Gene & Tammy) 7. 04:13 PM - Re: cheap, easy, accurate---use a water level (Steve Singleton) 8. 04:32 PM - Had a great flight/flights today (walt evans) 9. 06:22 PM - Re: Moving wing for W & B (Dick Navratil) 10. 06:47 PM - Brodhead (Don Emch) 11. 07:51 PM - Re: finally ordered some plans... (Rick Holland) 12. 08:06 PM - (no subject) (RBush96589@aol.com) 13. 09:18 PM - Re: Moving wing for W & B (Gene & Tammy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:54 AM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving wing back Gene, Unless you just want the diagonal struts to be adjustable,a lot of people just use tubing with the end flattened out with a hole drilled in it to bolt to the cabanes and front mount. You can look at Bill Rewey' s piet it is done this way. Robert Bush ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:06 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) Gene, You could still use the smaller bolts for the wing braces if you used a bushing to take up the "slop" in the bigger hole, that is IF you have trouble finding the forks and barrels you're looking for. I had to do this with my Jungster 1 when I put in a race car 5 point harness. The holes in the seat belt were 1/2 inch I think, and my fittings were made for AN 4's or 5's. A couple of Flanged ("tophat") bushings made it fit perfect. Just my 2 cents Shad --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:44 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) Thanks Shad, that's what I'll probably do if I can't find the 3/8 X 24 barrels. I'm still looking. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) Gene, You could still use the smaller bolts for the wing braces if you used a bushing to take up the "slop" in the bigger hole, that is IF you have trouble finding the forks and barrels you're looking for. I had to do this with my Jungster 1 when I put in a race car 5 point harness. The holes in the seat belt were 1/2 inch I think, and my fittings were made for AN 4's or 5's. A couple of Flanged ("tophat") bushings made it fit perfect. Just my 2 cents Shad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/23/2007 11:08 AM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:15 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving wing back Thanks Robert. That is one way I could do it but first I'll try to find the 3/8 X 24 barrel so I can use the same system that is there. To use tubing would change the looks somewhat as streamline tubing was used. As Shad pointed out, I can also use a bushing. How's your project coming? Haven't talked with Walter in quite some time. How is he doing on his new RV kit? Also understand they put a new undercarriage on their Piet. Need to get down there and visit. All it takes is time, something I always seem short of. Gene----- Original Message ----- From: RBush96589@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving wing back Gene, Unless you just want the diagonal struts to be adjustable,a lot of people just use tubing with the end flattened out with a hole drilled in it to bolt to the cabanes and front mount. You can look at Bill Rewey' s piet it is done this way. Robert Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/23/2007 11:08 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:05 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/an490.php http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aurorabearfem.php Gene, I used these, welded on the end of 1/2" tubing Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) Thanks Shad, that's what I'll probably do if I can't find the 3/8 X 24 barrels. I'm still looking. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: shad bell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B(changed to NR airshow) Gene, You could still use the smaller bolts for the wing braces if you used a bushing to take up the "slop" in the bigger hole, that is IF you have trouble finding the forks and barrels you're looking for. I had to do this with my Jungster 1 when I put in a race car 5 point harness. The holes in the seat belt were 1/2 inch I think, and my fittings were made for AN 4's or 5's. A couple of Flanged ("tophat") bushings made it fit perfect. Just my 2 cents Shad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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Thanks Gene ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:32 PM PST US From: "Steve Singleton" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cheap, easy, accurate---use a water level I have to agree that the water level works great. For under $10 you can buy the ends that screw onto the ends of your garden hose and it works perfect every time. Were building a hanger and used one to get our height measurements and rechecked several times and it was right on every time. Steve Singleton ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cheap, easy, accurate---use a water level I have assisted others with rigging (a biplane as well) wings and other flying surfaces using a length of simple Tygon clear plastic tubing from Home Depot or Lowes filled with water. The water always seeks level and can be used to level your longerons, wings, fuselage, tailfeathers and even your tree house. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:54 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Had a great flight/flights today Went to the airport to tool around the valley as usual. But ran into Rich (tryke Rich) and he was here with his sister and her two kids, from Washington State. He asked about a ride, and thats where it all started. Took her and the two boys, about 7 and 11 up around the valley and out to see the Ostritch farm. A fun time was had by all Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:02 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B Gene I dont have the new ACS catalog in front of me, but in the 2005 bokk on Pg 136 they have Wing strut adjustment fork and barrel sets listed. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B Thanks for the info Dick. Any ideas on where to find the 3/8 X 24 threaded barrels I need? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead From: "Don Emch" Hey Guys... I just thought I would post the forum schedule for the Saturday of the Piet Fly-in at Brodhead. http://pietenpols.tripod.com/id1.html I'm sure most of you have already seen this, but I thought I'd let everyone know. We all owe Doc Mosher a big THANKS for puttung these forums together. Should be a good one this year. Hopefully we can get a good turnout of enthusiasts, builders, old timers, new timers, and of course, Piets. I'm hoping to get there with mine on Thursday evening. Hopefully I'll be traveling with Frank Pavliga and Sky Gypsy. For those of you who have loved his ship for years this may be your last chance to see it in that configuration. It's getting a restoration soon and I have a feeling it won't look the same afterwards. :-( I'm sure it'll be beautiful though! Hope to see you in Brodhead! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=120431#120431 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:55 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: finally ordered some plans... That's an interesting way to look at the 1933 plans, the best part is what's missing. But I agree with you, I have learned so much having to do hours of research (searching this forurm, watching Mike Cuy's video several dozen times, reading the Bengelis books over and over, etc. ) to figure out how to fill in the blanks in the plans. I don't think I would have learned a tenth as much building a kit or building from a complete set of plans with every bolt and nut specified. Of course if I was in a hurry I wouldn't be so happy about having to figure all this stuff out, but if I was in a hurry what the hell would I be doing building an airplane from a set of plans with a bunch of details missing? Don't worry about finishing your project and having nothing to do but fly. You can always build another even nicer Piet like Dick is doing with his Rotec Piet. Rick On 6/23/07, HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: > > Greg, > > Congratulations. You will not be sorry for picking this great airplane. > I am 53 and still remember walking up to my first-seen Pietenpol, very > lonely and tied-down at DuPage County airport in IL. I fell in love, and > that was back in 1971 when I was taking flying lessons out there. I started > building my Piet from the 1933 plans in 2000, and have absolutely loved > every minute of it . I am about 70% complete and I am already fretting > about the day I finish it, not because I will be sad to fly, but because I > am having such an absolute ball building it I don't want it to stop! It has > been without a doubt the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my life. > I love the problem solving aspect more than anything, one of the beauties of > the plans being what is left out!!.....................Good Luck! > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com . > > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:02 PM PST US From: RBush96589@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Hi Gene, I'm done with everything except paint, all I have to do is decide on a color and get it ordered.As far as Walter goes he has not done a lot on the RV,he just got through going thru the hirth on his challenger. and this weekend we worked on the annual on our c150,you should take some time and drop by for a visit. Robert Bush ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:23 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving wing for W & B Thanks Dick, That's what I'll probably use if I can't find barrels to fit my set up (which uses a 3/8 X 24 barrel). I may try to grind out the barrels from the struts I need to replace. Just not sure it will work, but worth a try. 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