Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 06/29/07


Total Messages Posted: 8



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     1. 07:03 AM - namestags at Brodhead?? + who's going (Douwe Blumberg)
     2. 08:27 AM - Shad Bell: Tractor Pull Competition (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     3. 07:47 PM - Re: Wide body. (kb2qqm)
     4. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Wide body. (Rick Holland)
     5. 09:18 PM - Engines (kb2qqm)
     6. 09:28 PM - Re: Engines (kb2qqm)
     7. 09:30 PM - Re: Engines (kb2qqm)
     8. 11:01 PM - Re: Engines (Catdesigns)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:03:03 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: namestags at Brodhead?? + who's going
    My wife, Marci and I will be driving up later on Thurs and camping out. Can't wait to see you guys, Didn't someone once suggest nametags so we can all introduce ourselves?? Sounds like a good idea, what do you guys think? Douwe


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    Time: 08:27:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Shad Bell: Tractor Pull Competition
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Okay Shad....my money is on you buddy at the Ohio State Fair tractor pull. Bring it on ! Mike C. in Ohio do not archive PS--glad to hear that you're working thru to successes with your engine concerns.


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    Time: 07:47:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wide body.
    From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm@mac.com>
    I started studying the plans last night for a couple of hours, trying not to get psyched out. I thought about making the whole thing just a little wider. Then I got to reading the building guide and the rest of the posts here, and decided this morning to build a rear cockpit mockup. So I could see if there were any fit problems. I fit. But I see how it would be tight squeeze. Maybe I can butter up the cockpit :-) Then I started seeing how making the airplane wider affects so many other things. At first I just started to imagine the fuselage and the extra wood required (weight), then I would have to redesign the center wing section, then the wing struts, the landing gear. With all the extra weight and design changes, maybe a bigger engine. My mind just started to snowball at the changes. So should I re-invent the wheel, and re-doo the whole airplane to a wider dimension, and take the weight penalty or should I build it to plans? I think if I redesign it, then I become a test pilot. The other dilema I am facing is the performance hit. What's the airplane going to fly like once it's done? A part of me just loves the look, and the wood, and the vintage feel of the airplane. Another part of me likes the quicknes of the sonex, with the CNC drilled parts that just fit together. Especially for a first time kit. Is there anywhere (anybody) that has an order parts list for the Empenage? How much spruce and Ply? Thanks.. Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121292#121292


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    Time: 08:08:23 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Wide body.
    Other than an extra sheet of plywood and a little extra weight widening the fuselage is not a big deal. I widened mine 2". The best thing you can do is build a mock cockpit with scrap wood. And not just a rear cockpit mock up but firewall to the back of the rear cockpit, you will learn a lot about how everything goes together before you start cutting the expensive wood. Rick On 6/29/07, kb2qqm <kb2qqm@mac.com> wrote: > > > I started studying the plans last night for a couple of hours, trying not > to get psyched out. I thought about making the whole thing just a little > wider. > > Then I got to reading the building guide and the rest of the posts here, > and decided this morning to build a rear cockpit mockup. So I could see if > there were any fit problems. > I fit. But I see how it would be tight squeeze. Maybe I can butter up > the cockpit :-) > Then I started seeing how making the airplane wider affects so many other > things. At first I just started to imagine the fuselage and the extra wood > required (weight), then I would have to redesign the center wing section, > then the wing struts, the landing gear. With all the extra weight and > design changes, maybe a bigger engine. My mind just started to snowball at > the changes. So should I re-invent the wheel, and re-doo the whole airplane > to a wider dimension, and take the weight penalty or should I build it to > plans? I think if I redesign it, then I become a test pilot. The other > dilema I am facing is the performance hit. What's the airplane going to fly > like once it's done? > > A part of me just loves the look, and the wood, and the vintage feel of > the airplane. Another part of me likes the quicknes of the sonex, with the > CNC drilled parts that just fit together. Especially for a first time > kit. > > Is there anywhere (anybody) that has an order parts list for the > Empenage? How much spruce and Ply? > > Thanks.. > Greg > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121292#121292 > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado


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    Time: 09:18:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Engines
    From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm@mac.com>
    Anybody on the list use the Czech Mikron III (75hp) engine? I friend of mine (Don Stewart) has one on his "265"... The yellow and black airplane that he is bringing to Oshkosh. Check it out.. at www.stewartaircraft.com It's a one of a kind. I sure would love to see that airplane in plan form. He has designed lots of aircraft, and says the Mikron III is one of the smoothest engines he has ever flown. I just wondered if anyone here has seen one or has one installed or planned. www.moraviation.com/walter.html#faq4 Greg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121307#121307


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    Time: 09:28:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engines
    From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm@mac.com>
    Here is the info on the mikron IIIb http://www.moraviation.com/contents/media/t_mikron2a.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121308#121308


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    Time: 09:30:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engines
    From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm@mac.com>
    Engine Sound http://www.stampe.org/USA%20pages/First%20run.wav [Laughing] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121309#121309


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    Time: 11:01:51 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Engines
    Greg, I have been bugging Mr. Stewart to make plans available for the 265 for a long time. But he resists. Keep bugging him for me will ya. It would make a great next project. Project update, welding, play with kids, welding, talk to wife, welding, play with kids, welding....... Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm@mac.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engines > > Anybody on the list use the Czech Mikron III (75hp) engine? > > I friend of mine (Don Stewart) has one on his "265"... The yellow and > black airplane that he is bringing to Oshkosh. Check it out.. > at www.stewartaircraft.com > > It's a one of a kind. I sure would love to see that airplane in plan > form. > > He has designed lots of aircraft, and says the Mikron III is one of the > smoothest engines he has ever flown. > > I just wondered if anyone here has seen one or has one installed or > planned. > > > www.moraviation.com/walter.html#faq4 > > Greg > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121307#121307 > > >




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