Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 07/02/07


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 06:23 AM - biplane Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
     2. 07:56 AM - brodhead id (Douwe Blumberg)
     3. 08:08 AM - Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear (Terry Hall)
     4. 09:26 AM - Brodhead (Dave Case)
     5. 09:49 AM - Re: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear (shad bell)
     6. 10:01 AM - Re: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear (Scott Schreiber)
     7. 10:52 AM - Re: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear (Steve Glass)
     8. 10:59 AM - Wing Dihedral and washout (John Egan)
     9. 11:54 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 07/01/07 (Bill Weir)
    10. 02:47 PM - raising gas money (Steve Eldredge)
    11. 02:54 PM - Re: Wing Dihedral and washout (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    12. 03:03 PM - Re: raising gas money (Gene & Tammy)
    13. 06:30 PM - Re: brodhead id (Skip Gadd)
    14. 06:44 PM - Re: brodhead id (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
    15. 07:05 PM - Re: brodhead id (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
    16. 07:10 PM - Re: raising gas money (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
    17. 08:19 PM - Re: brodhead id (Arden Adamson)
    18. 09:11 PM - Re: raising gas money (Steve Eldredge)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:23:37 AM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: biplane Piet
    I've forwarded some pictures of a biplane Piet project to Chris Tracy to upload to his "West Coast Piet" website. Here's the text that came with it, from my friend Jeff Scott in Los Alamos: >Hi Oscar, > >Today was the memorial service for Arlene, the gal that was building a Piet >Bi-plane. >The guys put her project together with C clamps and rope for display. It >was built >so it could be easily converted to a standard Piet, although the tail >feathers are a bit >larger than stock. I may be asked to help sell this project. Anyway, I >thought you >might enjoy seeing a picture or two of the project. > >Jeff Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft


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    Time: 07:56:13 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: brodhead id
    Here's a simple idea What everybody on the list, either bring, or scrounge some masking or duct tape and put their name on their shirt??? If we can build airplanes, we can do this...it'll be hard, but.... Douwe SHAD, you are the MAN!! I really admire or perserverance (sp?) I always struggle with things like that, getting discouraged, etc. Really hope you can fly it up!!!


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    Time: 08:08:49 AM PST US
    From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport@cableone.net>
    Subject: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear
    Good morning, all, from wet North Texas and Southern Oklahoma, Can anyone think of a reason why BP would design the traditional Scout landing gear (as shown on the plans) with round, steel tubing for the front strut and streamlined tubing for the rear? The only thing that I can think of is that the front strut will bear more load. Any thoughts? Terry Hall Ada, OK


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    Time: 09:26:45 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Case" <dav3xor@gmail.com>
    Subject: Brodhead
    I will be there again this year, heck my company is paying for my trip to Oshkosh this year, and I didn't even have to beg for a couple days in Brodhead before the big show... If people are interested, I would like to take another panorama shot like I did last year, maybe something a little more formal this time. Last years can be found at.... http://www.builddiary.net/images/logs/21/fullsize/pano.jpg I hope to take a better one this year.. Heck, maybe the sun will be out! -- David Case Dav3xor@gmail.com www.builddiary.net


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    Time: 09:49:02 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear
    Terry, My honest guess is it's designed like that because thats the material on hand left over from another project. In a landing roll though, the front strut will be in tension, and the rear in compression( I think), due to rolling resistance. They will both probably be in tension and compression at some time or another, but the main impact of landing would be like above. Remember, the larger the diameter tubing the more resistant to buckling under compression. Shad Terry Hall <adaairport@cableone.net> wrote: Good morning, all, from wet North Texas and Southern Oklahoma, Can anyone think of a reason why BP would design the traditional Scout landing gear (as shown on the plans) with round, steel tubing for the front strut and streamlined tubing for the rear? The only thing that I can think of is that the front strut will bear more load. Any thoughts? Terry Hall Ada, OK --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.


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    Time: 10:01:44 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Schreiber" <got22b@subarubrat.com>
    Subject: Re: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear
    >From all the reading I have done, the rear is more likely to bend. That said I have no idea why he chose those tube types. _Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear Good morning, all, from wet North Texas and Southern Oklahoma, Can anyone think of a reason why BP would design the traditional Scout landing gear (as shown on the plans) with round, steel tubing for the front strut and streamlined tubing for the rear? The only thing that I can think of is that the front strut will bear more load. Any thoughts? Terry Hall Ada, OK


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    Time: 10:52:42 AM PST US
    From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear
    How about drag reduction? If he just had one piece of tubing wouldn't it make sense to put it at the back. Best regards Steve in Maine >From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Traditional Sky Scout Landing Gear >Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:47:59 -0700 (PDT) > >Terry, My honest guess is it's designed like that because thats the >material on hand left over from another project. In a landing roll though, >the front strut will be in tension, and the rear in compression( I think), >due to rolling resistance. They will both probably be in tension and >compression at some time or another, but the main impact of landing would >be like above. Remember, the larger the diameter tubing the more resistant >to buckling under compression. > Shad > >Terry Hall <adaairport@cableone.net> wrote: > Good morning, all, from wet North Texas and Southern Oklahoma, > > Can anyone think of a reason why BP would design the traditional Scout >landing gear (as shown on the plans) with round, steel tubing for the front >strut and streamlined tubing for the rear? The only thing that I can think >of is that the front strut will bear more load. > > Any thoughts? > > Terry Hall > Ada, OK > > >--------------------------------- >Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's >on, when. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm


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    Time: 10:59:25 AM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Wing Dihedral and washout
    Hello Group, Would anyone like to comment on the subject of wing dihedral and washout? How much dihedral is good and why? How much washout is good and why? For discussion sake, let's assume the traditional Pietenpol airfoil section, wing length and three piece wing if it matters. Thanks all, John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.


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    Time: 11:54:02 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Weir" <billweir@lon.imag.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 07/01/07
    This is for Canadians. RAA CANADA has stainless data plates for the legal thing in Canada. I know they are not vintage brass. But if you need, eh!. Bill Weir ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 20 Msgs - 07/01/07 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-07-01&Archive=Pietenpol > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-07-01&Archive=Pietenpol > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 07/01/07: 20 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 03:27 AM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity (Jack T. Textor) > 2. 03:32 AM - Re: Shad Bell: Tractor Pull Competition (Jack T. > Textor) > 3. 03:45 AM - Re: Re: Wide body. (Ryan Michals) > 4. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Wide body. (Ryan Michals) > 5. 05:22 AM - Re: weight of NX41CC (Gene & Tammy) > 6. 06:34 AM - Re: Continental Motor Mount Jigs Photos? (walt evans) > 7. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity (Roman Bukolt) > 8. 09:24 AM - brass dataplates (Oscar Zuniga) > 9. 03:10 PM - shad's corvair (Douwe Blumberg) > 10. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity (Gene & Tammy) > 11. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity > (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com) > 12. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity (Greg Chapman) > 13. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity (Rick Holland) > 14. 08:00 PM - Re: brass dataplates (Roman Bukolt) > 15. 08:01 PM - Re: shad's corvair, and his allice chalmers tractor pull > (shad bell) > 16. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Piet Builder Identity (shad bell) > 17. 08:15 PM - Re: brass dataplates (shad bell) > 18. 09:38 PM - Re: shad's corvair, and his allice chalmers tractor pull > (Rcaprd@aol.com) > 19. 11:31 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) > (Matt Dralle) > 20. 11:37 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:27:41 AM PST US > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> > > Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! Seriously, If > anybody can get wrist bands, I like that idea. > > > OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, see if > you can come up with some type of Identity device so that we can spot > each other without having to stare down at your breast to see if you > have a name to go with these emails. > > Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. away, front > or back, like a certain common color wrist band or something on your hat > or cap if you're wearing one, or a common color bandana or whatever. > > Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? > > > Roman Bukolt > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:32:35 AM PST US > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Shad Bell: Tractor Pull Competition > From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> > > Shad, > > That's sad news, sorry! Thank goodness your testing has been thorough > and it occurred on the ground > > Jack Textor > > > Hello guys, BAD NEWS, while testing the engine for detonation > friday afternoon all was going well with the test run untill I made one > more full power check and everything went rough. I pulled the power > back and it almost quit so I quickly shut her down. Went to pull the > prop through and I'll be damned, I burnt up the #4 piston. I then > quickly switched from Iced Tea to cold Miller Light and started pulling > everything apart. I got the cylinder off and am waiting on parts now. > #4 is the same one we had to replace during the rebuild, Might have a > messed up head (cracked) or might have a leaking helicoil for the plug. > I am too stupid to give up trying to have it ready for Brodhead in 3 > weeks but I will try up to the bitter end. If I drive up with Dad we'll > talk about it over some cold ones, and mabey I can bum a piet ride from > one of the guys who actually make it there. > > > Not throwing in the towel yet > > Shad > > Okay Shad....my money is on you buddy at the Ohio State Fair > tractor > pull. Bring it on ! > > Mike C. in Ohio > > > ________________________________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48253/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1G > NXI > C> mail, news, photos & more. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:45:53 AM PST US > From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wide body. > > Any chamce to putting it on the Matronics file share? I would be > inteeested in > it too. > > Thanks, > > Ryan > > Do not archive > > walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote: > > Greg, > Yes, I have a mat'l list from a previous builder, and a mat'l list quoted > by > AS&S back in about 1998. I ordered from that and it worked out nicely. If > you like I'll send directly to you. > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kb2qqm" > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wide body. > > >> >> I started studying the plans last night for a couple of hours, trying not >> to get psyched out. I thought about making the whole thing just a little >> wider. >> >> Then I got to reading the building guide and the rest of the posts here, >> and decided this morning to build a rear cockpit mockup. So I could see >> if there were any fit problems. >> I fit. But I see how it would be tight squeeze. Maybe I can butter up >> the cockpit :-) >> Then I started seeing how making the airplane wider affects so many other >> things. At first I just started to imagine the fuselage and the extra >> wood required (weight), then I would have to redesign the center wing >> section, then the wing struts, the landing gear. With all the extra >> weight and design changes, maybe a bigger engine. My mind just started to >> snowball at the changes. So should I re-invent the wheel, and re-doo the >> whole airplane to a wider dimension, and take the weight penalty or >> should >> I build it to plans? I think if I redesign it, then I become a test >> pilot. The other dilema I am facing is the performance hit. What's the >> airplane going to fly like once it's done? >> >> A part of me just loves the look, and the wood, and the vintage feel of >> the airplane. Another part of me likes the quicknes of the sonex, with >> the >> CNC drilled parts that just fit together. Especially for a first time >> kit. >> >> Is there anywhere (anybody) that has an order parts list for the >> Empenage? >> How much spruce and Ply? >> >> Thanks.. >> Greg >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=121292#121292 >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! > TV. > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:15:32 AM PST US > From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wide body. > > Try again too sleeeepy > > Any Chance to putting it on the Matronics file share? I would be > interested > in it too. > > Thanks, > > Ryan > > Do not archive > > walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote: > > Greg, > Yes, I have a mat'l list from a previous builder, and a mat'l list quoted > by > AS&S back in about 1998. I ordered from that and it worked out nicely. If > you like I'll send directly to you. > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kb2qqm" > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wide body. > > >> >> I started studying the plans last night for a couple of hours, trying not >> to get psyched out. I thought about making the whole thing just a little >> wider. >> >> Then I got to reading the building guide and the rest of the posts here, >> and decided this morning to build a rear cockpit mockup. So I could see >> if there were any fit problems. >> I fit. But I see how it would be tight squeeze. Maybe I can butter up >> the cockpit :-) >> Then I started seeing how making the airplane wider affects so many other >> things. At first I just started to imagine the fuselage and the extra >> wood required (weight), then I would have to redesign the center wing >> section, then the wing struts, the landing gear. With all the extra >> weight and design changes, maybe a bigger engine. My mind just started to >> snowball at the changes. So should I re-invent the wheel, and re-doo the >> whole airplane to a wider dimension, and take the weight penalty or >> should >> I build it to plans? I think if I redesign it, then I become a test >> pilot. The other dilema I am facing is the performance hit. What's the >> airplane going to fly like once it's done? >> >> A part of me just loves the look, and the wood, and the vintage feel of >> the airplane. Another part of me likes the quicknes of the sonex, with >> the >> CNC drilled parts that just fit together. Especially for a first time >> kit. >> >> Is there anywhere (anybody) that has an order parts list for the >> Empenage? >> How much spruce and Ply? >> >> Thanks.. >> Greg >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! > TV. > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:22:54 AM PST US > From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weight of NX41CC > > > Oscar, > Can you post a photo of the data plate? > Thank you > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: weight of NX41CC > > >> <horzpool@goldengate.net> >> >> Hey Oscar >> I want to order 3 of you beautiful data plates, but I can't remember the >> important info. What is your address and how much? >> Dick N. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:51 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: weight of NX41CC >> >> >>> <taildrags@hotmail.com> >>> >>> Per digital race car scales, with 3 qts. oil and any unusable fuel, 41CC >>> weighs 633 lbs. >>> >>> I don't believe in weighing without unusable fuel and minimum operating >>> oil, and consider it to be part of the basic empty weight. >>> >>> I weigh 151 lbs. according to the same scales, before I drank a beer and >>> after I drained my internal tank. Prior to doing the W&B I flew 0.6 >>> hrs. >>> to burn off some fuel in the airplane's tank, drained the rest, and did >>> the W&B. Also checked the mechanical tach against a digital "True Tach" >>> and found the following: >>> >>> RPM- mechanical tach/digital tach >>> 1000/900 >>> 1500/1330 >>> 2000/1840 >>> 2200/2000 >>> >>> This explains why I can set power in level cruise and exceed redline >>> (2250 RPM) on this engine so easily... it's reading about 200 RPM high >>> when in that range. Now I know I can safely cruise it at 2450 >>> indicated, >>> which is where it likes to cruise anyway. With this prop I really need >>> an A75 to take full advantage ;o) >>> >>> Another delightful day of playing with the Pietenpol! >>> >>> Oscar Zuniga >>> San Antonio, TX >>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Picture this - share your photos and you could win big! >>> http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:34:05 AM PST US > From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental Motor Mount Jigs Photos? > > > Ben, > I'll send you my pics right now. > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:50 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Motor Mount Jigs Photos? > > >> >> Hi All, >> I'm getting ready to fabricate the motor mount for an A-65. I remember >> seeing some pictures of jigs others have used for this, but they don't >> show up when browsing the archives. Anyone out there have a picture of >> the jig they used they could send me off list? I'm sure I could come up >> with something on my own, but like most of my Piet building I combine my >> creativity with that of others.. >> >> Ben Charvet >> Mims, Fl >> NX866BC >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:47:19 AM PST US > From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > The "ID Tag" would have to be something that everyone can readily > conjure up no matter what part of the jungle they habitat. Propellor > Beanies? Good Idea but I haven't seen one in 50 yrs. > Somethingt to hang on a belt loop or the belt? A red ribbon or large > nut with a nylon tie? Your propellor strapped across your back? Maybe > not. > Think !!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack T. Textor > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! Seriously, If > anybody can get wrist bands, I like that idea. > > > OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, see > if you can come up with some type of Identity device so that we can spot > each other without having to stare down at your breast to see if you > have a name to go with these emails. > > Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. away, > front or back, like a certain common color wrist band or something on > your hat or cap if you're wearing one, or a common color bandana or > whatever. > > Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? > > > Roman Bukolt > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:24:09 AM PST US > From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass dataplates > > > Dick wrote- > >>I want to order 3 of your beautiful data plates, but I can't remember >>the important info. What is your address and how much? > > Dick (and anyone else who wants one)- complete info is available at > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html including information from > Brian Amato on the original aluminum plates. Note that Brian's aluminum > plates say, "THE ORIGINAL MODEL 'A' POWERED LIGHTPLANE" while my brass > ones > say, "LOW AND SLOW SINCE 1929". I figured that since I have an A65 on my > Piet and a whole bunch of other folks have engines other than the Ford on > theirs, the new logo might be more generic and have wider appeal. > > Brian's aluminum ones are $8.50, mine are $10. Both require trimming to > final oval shape, engraving of the data, drilling or punching for mounting > screws. Both are the same size. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! > http://mobile.msn.com > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:10:57 PM PST US > From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: shad's corvair > > goShadgoShadgoShadgoShadgo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > you'll win... > > Douwe > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:53:53 PM PST US > From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > How about everybody on the list that attends wear their baseball cap > sideways, wear both an earring and a nose ring plus a few tatoos? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roman Bukolt > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > The "ID Tag" would have to be something that everyone can readily > conjure up no matter what part of the jungle they habitat. Propellor > Beanies? Good Idea but I haven't seen one in 50 yrs. > Somethingt to hang on a belt loop or the belt? A red ribbon or large > nut with a nylon tie? Your propellor strapped across your back? Maybe > not. > Think !!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack T. Textor > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! Seriously, > If anybody can get wrist bands, I like that idea. > > > OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, see > if you can come up with some type of Identity device so that we can spot > each other without having to stare down at your breast to see if you > have a name to go with these emails. > > Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. away, > front or back, like a certain common color wrist band or something on > your hat or cap if you're wearing one, or a common color bandana or > whatever. > > Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? > > > Roman Bukolt > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat > ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > 6/30/2007 3:10 PM > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:56:33 PM PST US > From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > I made the comment earlier that if you send me a photo I can put it into > the Piet Directory. Then you can print out the directory and bring it > to Brodhead to id people. That was a point of frustration for me last > year. > > Glenn W. Thomas > Storrs, CT > http://www.flyingwood.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack T. Textor > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:29 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! Seriously, If > anybody can get wrist bands, I like that idea. > > > OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, see > if you can come up with some type of Identity device so that we can spot > each other without having to stare down at your breast to see if you > have a name to go with these emails. > > Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. away, > front or back, like a certain common color wrist band or something on > your hat or cap if you're wearing one, or a common color bandana or > whatever. > > Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? > > > Roman Bukolt > > > ________________________________ Message 12 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US > From: Greg Chapman <greg@mousetrax.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > No problem!! I dress that way every day! > > Greg Chapman > > Gene & Tammy wrote: >> How about everybody on the list that attends wear their baseball cap >> sideways, wear both an earring and a nose ring plus a few tatoos? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Roman Bukolt <mailto:conceptmodels@tds.net> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:47 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity >> >> The "ID Tag" would have to be something that everyone can readily >> conjure up no matter what part of the jungle they habitat. >> Propellor Beanies? Good Idea but I haven't seen one in 50 yrs. >> Somethingt to hang on a belt loop or the belt? A red ribbon or >> large nut with a nylon tie? Your propellor strapped across your >> back? Maybe not. >> Think !!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jack T. Textor <mailto:jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 AM >> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity >> >> Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! >> Seriously, If anybody can get wrist bands, I like that idea. >> >> >> >> >> >> OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, >> see if you can come up with some type of Identity device so that >> we can spot each other without having to stare down at your >> breast to see if you have a name to go with these emails. >> >> Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. >> away, front or back, like a certain common color wrist band or >> something on your hat or cap if you're wearing one, or a common >> color bandana or whatever. >> >> Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? >> >> >> >> Roman Bukolt >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ________________________________ Message 13 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:04:18 PM PST US > From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > Or we can come up with a secret Piet handshake. > > Rick > > On 7/1/07, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> How about everybody on the list that attends wear their baseball cap >> sideways, wear both an earring and a nose ring plus a few tatoos? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:47 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity >> >> The "ID Tag" would have to be something that everyone can readily conjure >> up no matter what part of the jungle they habitat. Propellor Beanies? >> Good >> Idea but I haven't seen one in 50 yrs. >> Somethingt to hang on a belt loop or the belt? A red ribbon or large nut >> with a nylon tie? Your propellor strapped across your back? Maybe not. >> Think !!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Jack T. Textor <jtextor@thepalmergroup.com> >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 AM >> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity >> >> Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! Seriously, If >> anybody can get wrist bands, I like that idea. >> >> >> OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, see if >> you can come up with some type of Identity device so that we can spot >> each >> other without having to stare down at your breast to see if you have a >> name >> to go with these emails. >> >> Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. away, front >> or >> back, like a certain common color wrist band or something on your hat or >> cap >> if you're wearing one, or a common color bandana or whatever. >> >> Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? >> >> >> Roman Bukolt >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> * >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > ________________________________ Message 14 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:00:38 PM PST US > From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass dataplates > > > Hey! > How about everyone buy one of Oscar's Brass Data Plates and wear it around > his neck on a chain!!!!!?! > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:23 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass dataplates > > >> <taildrags@hotmail.com> >> >> Dick wrote- >> >>>I want to order 3 of your beautiful data plates, but I can't remember >>>the important info. What is your address and how much? >> >> Dick (and anyone else who wants one)- complete info is available at >> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html including information >> from >> Brian Amato on the original aluminum plates. Note that Brian's aluminum >> plates say, "THE ORIGINAL MODEL 'A' POWERED LIGHTPLANE" while my brass >> ones say, "LOW AND SLOW SINCE 1929". I figured that since I have an A65 >> on my Piet and a whole bunch of other folks have engines other than the >> Ford on theirs, the new logo might be more generic and have wider appeal. >> >> Brian's aluminum ones are $8.50, mine are $10. Both require trimming to >> final oval shape, engraving of the data, drilling or punching for >> mounting >> screws. Both are the same size. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! >> http://mobile.msn.com >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 15 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:01:59 PM PST US > From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shad's corvair, and his allice chalmers > tractor pull > > Thanks for the words of cofindence Dowe!. I was inspecting the heads and > found > that the Burnt cylinder had a helicoiled plug hole. Out of curriosity I > installed > the plug, torqued the plug, then installed the burnt piston in the burnt > cylinder and held the cylinder down tight against the head gasket on the > bench. > I then drank a slug of cold beer and spit it on the cylinder head around > the > spark plug (Pietenpol Style Trouble shooting, scientific huh?) Then I > grabbed > the rod and moved the cylinder up and down looking for leakage, and holy > sh@# there it was. Even with a hole in the piston and running 26 rpm, and > nothing > more than my right arm holding the cylinder in the head, it was sucking in > and spitting out beer faster than a Ohio State fraternity house (I think, > I > never went to college). Then after looking at the piston I realized both > compression > ring end gaps were inline. This caused a "blowtoarch efect" to the ring > lands and burnt right through them. All along > We suspected an induction leak and thought it was in a cracked intake, but > there > it was black and white in a cobb job helicoil. Same head, and same > cylinder, > dad found the partially burnned piston in during tear down. I'd kick my > own > ass for not catching it sooner, but that's what puts the" X " in > experimental. > Even the "Profesionals" at the head shop that did the heads did not catch > this. Give me a couple new heads, a new jug, and a new bypass valve (the > oil > cooler bypass valve I found was not seating today, about 3 in 100 Wynne > said are > found faulty, just my luck) and 10 hrs or so of local test time and I am > making > a B Line for Brodhead. Now the only thing (forseen anyway) is the wait on > the parts. Thats the problem with an engine that dosn't use off the shelf > parts, > ready to install. Looks like the Allice Chalmers ultimatly won this > tractor > pull, But at least the engine in that was rebuilt by me last winter ha ha > ha. We'll se ya'll at Brodhead either way. > > Shad > > Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote: > goShadgoShadgoShadgoShadgo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > you'll win... > > Douwe > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > ________________________________ Message 16 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:07:27 PM PST US > From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > I will be the one (hopefully) flying over in a blue and orange piet with > greesy > bib overalls, and motercycle goggles. Might even have "Backer Juice" > running > down the side of my face. > Shad > > Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote: > Or we can come up with a secret Piet handshake. > > Rick > > On 7/1/07, Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net > wrote: How about > everybody > on the list that attends wear their baseball cap sideways, wear both an > earring > and a nose ring plus a few tatoos? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roman Bukolt > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > The "ID Tag" would have to be something that everyone can readily conjure > up > no matter what part of the jungle they habitat. Propellor Beanies? Good > Idea > but I haven't seen one in 50 yrs. > Somethingt to hang on a belt loop or the belt? A red ribbon or large nut > with > a nylon tie? Your propellor strapped across your back? Maybe not. > Think !!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack T. Textor > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet Builder Identity > > > Great idea Roman, I will have a scotch in my left hand! Seriously, If > anybody > can get wrist bands, I like that idea. > > > OK, all you creative geniuses who plan on making it to Brodhead, see if > you > can come up with some type of Identity device so that we can spot each > other > without having to stare down at your breast to see if you have a name to > go with > these emails. > > Bill Rewey suggested something that could be spotted 30 ft. away, front > or > back, like a certain common color wrist band or something on your hat or > cap if > you're wearing one, or a common color bandana or whatever. > > Unless you guys like to stare down at other guys breasts ????? > > > Roman Bukolt > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com"> http://forums.matronics.com > > > --------------------------------- > Date: 6/30/2007 3:10 PM > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > --------------------------------- > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. > > ________________________________ Message 17 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:15:52 PM PST US > From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass dataplates > > I think the "rappers" and the "cool" guys call that "Bling Bling" when > you have > shinny "Mr -T" starter kits around your neck. > Shad > > Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote: > > Hey! > How about everyone buy one of Oscar's Brass Data Plates and wear it around > his neck on a chain!!!!!?! > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:23 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass dataplates > > >> >> >> Dick wrote- >> >>>I want to order 3 of your beautiful data plates, but I can't remember >>>the important info. What is your address and how much? >> >> Dick (and anyone else who wants one)- complete info is available at >> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/dataplate.html including information >> from >> Brian Amato on the original aluminum plates. Note that Brian's aluminum >> plates say, "THE ORIGINAL MODEL 'A' POWERED LIGHTPLANE" while my brass >> ones say, "LOW AND SLOW SINCE 1929". I figured that since I have an A65 >> on my Piet and a whole bunch of other folks have engines other than the >> Ford on theirs, the new logo might be more generic and have wider appeal. >> >> Brian's aluminum ones are $8.50, mine are $10. Both require trimming to >> final oval shape, engraving of the data, drilling or punching for >> mounting >> screws. Both are the same size. >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! >> http://mobile.msn.com >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. > > ________________________________ Message 18 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:38:25 PM PST US > From: Rcaprd@aol.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shad's corvair, and his allice chalmers > tractor pull > > > In a message dated 7/1/2007 10:02:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes: > > Even with a hole in the piston and running 26 rpm, and nothing more than > my > right arm holding the cylinder in the head, it was sucking in and spitting > out > > beer faster than a Ohio State fraternity house > > Wow !! I would have never guessed. Good job Shad. I feel much better > now, > just keeping my fingers crossed you get the parts in time. I'm going to > go > spit some beer on that spare tire I have in the trunk, that has a slow > leak. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ________________________________ Message 19 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:31:50 PM PST US > From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked > Questions) > > > Dear Listers, > > Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) > below. The > complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at > the > following URL: > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html > > Thank you, > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such > as > Courier. 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    Time: 02:47:11 PM PST US
    Subject: raising gas money
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    I've got several embroidered peit hats left from last year. $18 shipped anywhere in the US. Also I have one Slick 4220 mag (new surplus) for $100 plus shipping. Steve Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork, UT 84660 Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper steve@byu.edu <mailto:steve@byu.edu>


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    Time: 02:54:03 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Wing Dihedral and washout
    In a message dated 7/2/2007 1:00:44 PM Central Daylight Time, johnegan99@yahoo.com writes: Would anyone like to comment on the subject of wing dihedral and washout? How much dihedral is good and why? How much washout is good and why? For discussion sake, let's assume the traditional Pietenpol airfoil section, wing length and three piece wing if it matters. Thanks all, John E Greenville, WI -see you at Brodhead- John, As you probably know, the plans don't call out for Dihedral, or Washout. Why ? Because it doesn't need it, and most planes of this era doesn't have it. As for Dihedral, the vertical fin / rudder has plenty enough authority to fly straight. If you put in some dihedral you will loose a little bit of total lift, and you can no longer call it a 'Pietenpol'. :) he he he !! As for Washout, it doesn't need it because a Hershey Bar Wing inherently initially stalls at the inboard portion of the wing...as long as you keep the ball in the middle. Washout will also reduce the total lift slightly, as well as add some drag...hence, your landing speed will be slightly higher. That said, you should err on the side of washout - that's what BHP did. Chuck G. NX770CG 18 days till Brodhead ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 03:03:20 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: raising gas money
    Steve, if you still have one left I'll take one. Gene zharvey@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Eldredge To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: raising gas money I've got several embroidered peit hats left from last year. $18 shipped anywhere in the US. Also I have one Slick 4220 mag (new surplus) for $100 plus shipping. Steve Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork, UT 84660 Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper steve@byu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/1/2007 12:19 PM


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    Time: 06:30:28 PM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: brodhead id
    Group, Doc Mosher asked me to post the below message to the list. I like the idea. Skip Subject: Brodhead builder identification > > Let me suggest that BPA can provide free individual clear plastic pin-on name tags. These could also have (in small print) 32nd Annual Pietenpol Reunion, Brodhead Wi with space for a name and home city and state. Folks could pick them up at the BPA table where they can also register for a few small door prizes. This name tag can be reused each day and then saved as a mini-souvenir of the occasion. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Doc Mosher


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    Time: 06:44:11 PM PST US
    From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    Subject: Re: brodhead id
    I second the motion. Is there someone to contact? Glenn W. Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brodhead id Group, Doc Mosher asked me to post the below message to the list. I like the idea. Skip Subject: Brodhead builder identification > > Let me suggest that BPA can provide free individual clear plastic pin-on name tags. These could also have (in small print) 32nd Annual Pietenpol Reunion, Brodhead Wi with space for a name and home city and state. Folks could pick them up at the BPA table where they can also register for a few small door prizes. This name tag can be reused each day and then saved as a mini-souvenir of the occasion. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Doc Mosher


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    Time: 07:05:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: brodhead id
    From: Amsafetyc@aol.com
    Great idea John Recine Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brodhead id Group, Doc Mosher asked me to post the below message to the list. I like the idea. Skip Subject: Brodhead builder identification > > Let me suggest that BPA can provide free individual clear plastic pin-on name tags. These could also have (in small print) 32nd Annual Pietenpol Reunion, Brodhead Wi with space for a name and home city and state. Folks could pick them up at the BPA table where they can also register for a few small door prizes. This name tag can be reused each day and then saved as a mini-souvenir of the occasion. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Doc Mosher


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    Time: 07:10:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: raising gas money
    From: Amsafetyc@aol.com
    Steve Will you be selling them at Broadhead? If not, I guess you'll have to send me one maybe two Please advise John Recine Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu> To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: raising gas money Ive got several embroidered peit hats left from last year. $18 shipped anywhere in the US. Also I have one Slick 4220 mag (new surplus) for $100 plus shipping. Steve Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork, UT 84660 Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper <mailto:steve@byu.edu> steve@byu.edu


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    Time: 08:19:52 PM PST US
    Subject: brodhead id
    From: "Arden Adamson" <aadamson@wnmdag.org>
    I agree. Great idea. Arden Adamson Waupaca, WI ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Mon 7/2/2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brodhead id Great idea John Recine Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brodhead id Group, Doc Mosher asked me to post the below message to the list. I like the idea. Skip Subject: Brodhead builder identification > > Let me suggest that BPA can provide free individual clear plastic pin-on name tags. These could also have (in small print) 32nd Annual Pietenpol Reunion, Brodhead Wi with space for a name and home city and state. Folks could pick them up at the BPA table where they can also register for a few small door prizes. This name tag can be reused each day and then saved as a mini-souvenir of the occasion. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Doc Mosher


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    Time: 09:11:24 PM PST US
    Subject: raising gas money
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    I'm on the fence right now about the trip. I flew out in 99' in my piet, and this year I finished my Stinson. Gas and insurance costs are killer, but I have the days off still. I have about 6 black billed and six yellow hats left with the piet logo and the words Cherry Grove -75 - Brodhead lettered across the back. Hope to be there! Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: raising gas money Steve Will you be selling them at Broadhead? If not, I guess you'll have to send me one maybe two Please advise John Recine Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu> To:<pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: raising gas money I've got several embroidered peit hats left from last year. $18 shipped anywhere in the US. Also I have one Slick 4220 mag (new surplus) for $100 plus shipping. Steve Eldredge 2810 E Canyon Rd Spanish Fork, UT 84660 Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper <mailto:steve@byu.edu> steve@byu.edu




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