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1. 06:14 AM - Great 4th of July story (John B Franklin Jr)
2. 10:17 AM - Roundup Piet (Tim Verthein)
3. 12:51 PM - Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland)
4. 01:25 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (gcardinal)
5. 03:08 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (walt evans)
6. 04:31 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Peter W Johnson)
7. 05:47 PM - Fuselage bottom fairing (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 06:46 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (HelsperSew@aol.com)
9. 07:24 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland)
10. 07:29 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Skip Gadd)
11. 07:37 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (James)
12. 08:17 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland)
13. 08:48 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Great 4th of July story |
To Fellow Piet & Corvair builders,
Not long after I started my GN-1 / Corvair project I met online Kevin Purtee, a
fellow out east of Houston who was building a Piet and had his Corvair engine
finished to the point where it was mounted on the fuselage and would run (had
to be hand-propped). So, that's exactly what we did, and seeing a Piet fuselage
with a running Corvair was of course greatly inspiring to me!
Not long after that, Kevin Purtee had to shelve his project as he was going to
deploy to Iraq as an Apache helicopter pilot. He's been over there for more than
a year and will return home soon, but I thought the group would want to read
about this incident:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4939405.html
(If you have trouble with the link, just Google for Kevin Purtee and Allen Crist)
Way to go, Kevin, I know all the Piet & Corvair builders are proud of you!
John Franklin
Richmond, TX
GN-1
164cid Corvair
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12:15 CDT. As I type this, the "Roundup Piet" is going down the street
in the 4th of July parade in Roundup, MT. I'm not there, but my
mother-in-law lives there, and it's going past her house in the parade
right now! Sadly, neither she, nor anyone we know there...is able to
take any photos :( just thought I'd share.
Happy 4th everyone.
Tim in Bovey
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom fairing |
Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down
the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one
down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I
think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several
Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a
good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the
bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no?
Thanks
Rick
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Hi Rick,
Yes, it is a good idea for the very reason you mentioned.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4"
fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering
about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans
(and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-),
but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the
fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and
small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or
no?
Thanks
Rick
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Rick,
Only thing I can think of is how to blend into the safety strap that
goes in between the gear legs. (assuming you're using the split
gear,,,my Mentor said they are a must)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4"
fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering
about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans
(and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-),
but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the
fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and
small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or
no?
Thanks
Rick
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom fairing |
Rick,
I did that with mine. It looks good. I faired the safety strap with some
spruce cap strip material when I covered the fuse.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, 5 July 2007 5:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down
the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one
down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I
think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several
Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a
good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the
bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no?
Thanks
Rick
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom fairing |
41CC has a fairing strip down the underside of the fuselage and I like the
way it adds shape. I remember it distinctly in two places: in the front, by
the main gear attach fittings, because the brake lines are concealed between
the fabric and cockpit floor plywood from the point where they dive down
under the plywood, aft to where they emerge at the rear gear leg member
attach point and go down the leg. The other place I remember seeing the
strip is where the access panel is for the elevator bellcrank back in the
tail. The metal access panel is broken down the middle to fit the shallow
'V' of the underside profile there.
I know the bottom edge of the firewall is square, so the fairing strip must
taper down to nearly nothing at the front, then also back at the tail it
must taper down to nothing somewhere ahead of where the tailwheel spring
attaches.
If nothing else, I know the fairing strip increases my cruise speed by 10
MPH due to a reduction in burble and keeping the airflow from the clockwise
swirling propwash traveling under the fuselage attached, thus increasing
lift at the tail. OK, it looked good on paper anyway ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Rick,
This is definitely a bad idea. First off, it is a deviation from the BHP
plans. Second, it adds weight which is your enemy. The extra weight of the
wood strip, glue, and fabric, and paint is not a good thing. The original look
of the BHP Piet is a thing of beauty, not to be tampered with.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Thanks Greg. Think I figured out why some people use two bottom fairings
instead of just one down the center. I test fit a single fairing and noticed
that the fabric would contact a couple outer bolt heads however with two
fairings there will be no contact. So I too will be installing two fairings.
Rick
On 7/4/07, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
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> *Hi Rick,*
> **
> *Yes, it is a good idea for the very reason you mentioned.*
> **
> *Greg C.*
> **
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:49 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
>
> Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings
> down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding
> one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what
> I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several
> Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a
> good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the
> bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> ObjectAge Ltd.
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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> *
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom fairing |
Rick, Felix the GN-1 has said fairing strip down the center bottom. I like the
way it looks and it does make it easier to clean the oil and grime that will accumulate
there. The thing I don't like is what you said, it hides bolt heads
and nuts that I would like to be able to inspect.
I haven't decided if the bottom will be covered on the Piet I am building, probably
not.
Skip
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom fairing |
I plan on doing it to mine. Good idea or not I like the way it looks.
My
Spacewalker had them to fill the fuselage out and it looked good.
Besides every Pete out there is a "deviation from the plans" in one way
or
another.
Jim T.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
Rick,
This is definitely a bad idea. First off, it is a deviation from the BHP
plans. Second, it adds weight which is your enemy. The extra weight of
the
wood strip, glue, and fabric, and paint is not a good thing. The
original
look of the BHP Piet is a thing of beauty, not to be tampered with.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Hey Skip, if you leave off the fairings would you cover the bottom ply and
all the bolts and straps with fabric? (kind of defeats to purpose of not
adding the fairings since you still can't get to the bolt heads without
cutting through some fabric). Or would you just paint the bottom ply and
leave it uncovered? Someone posted a message earlier indicating that he did
this and yes it would be the lightest and simplest solution.
Wonder how often the bolts holding the rudder petals/bar and other things to
the ply floor get loose and need to be re-tightened (requiring access to the
bolt heads on the ply bottom)?
Hope to see you at Broadhead.
Rick
On 7/4/07, Skip Gadd <skipgadd@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Rick, Felix the GN-1 has said fairing strip down the center bottom. I
> like the way it looks and it does make it easier to clean the oil and grime
> that will accumulate there. The thing I don't like is what you said, it
> hides bolt heads and nuts that I would like to be able to inspect.
> I haven't decided if the bottom will be covered on the Piet I am building,
> probably not.
> Skip
>
>
> *
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> *
>
>
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:53:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of
the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage
bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from
the plans ;-)
Rick,
I didn't add any of the strips on the bottom of the fuse, and I'm really glad
I didn't. Just painted the plywood with the Rustoleum Aluminum Oil Base
Paint that I used on the rest of the fuselage. The side fabric is overlapped the
bottom by about 2 inches, and the fabric on the bottom begins at the aft edge
of the plywood by about 2 inches. I was able to add all the hardware that is
associated with the brakes, without cutting any fabric, and I can inspect all
the hardware, and tighten as necessary - including the brackets at the landing
gear / lift strut lugs , without cutting any fabric. I added heel brakes
after about 32 hrs of flight time. Putting fabric on the bottom is against all
the KISS method that the Pietenpol is noted for.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
See y'all at Brodhead !!
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