---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/04/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Great 4th of July story (John B Franklin Jr) 2. 10:17 AM - Roundup Piet (Tim Verthein) 3. 12:51 PM - Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland) 4. 01:25 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (gcardinal) 5. 03:08 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (walt evans) 6. 04:31 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Peter W Johnson) 7. 05:47 PM - Fuselage bottom fairing (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 06:46 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 07:24 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland) 10. 07:29 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Skip Gadd) 11. 07:37 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (James) 12. 08:17 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland) 13. 08:48 PM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:15 AM PST US From: John B Franklin Jr Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great 4th of July story To Fellow Piet & Corvair builders, Not long after I started my GN-1 / Corvair project I met online Kevin Purtee, a fellow out east of Houston who was building a Piet and had his Corvair engine finished to the point where it was mounted on the fuselage and would run (had to be hand-propped). So, that's exactly what we did, and seeing a Piet fuselage with a running Corvair was of course greatly inspiring to me! Not long after that, Kevin Purtee had to shelve his project as he was going to deploy to Iraq as an Apache helicopter pilot. He's been over there for more than a year and will return home soon, but I thought the group would want to read about this incident: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4939405.html (If you have trouble with the link, just Google for Kevin Purtee and Allen Crist) Way to go, Kevin, I know all the Piet & Corvair builders are proud of you! John Franklin Richmond, TX GN-1 164cid Corvair ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:57 AM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roundup Piet 12:15 CDT. As I type this, the "Roundup Piet" is going down the street in the 4th of July parade in Roundup, MT. I'm not there, but my mother-in-law lives there, and it's going past her house in the parade right now! Sadly, neither she, nor anyone we know there...is able to take any photos :( just thought I'd share. Happy 4th everyone. Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:44 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no? Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:55 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Hi Rick, Yes, it is a good idea for the very reason you mentioned. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no? Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:01 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Rick, Only thing I can think of is how to blend into the safety strap that goes in between the gear legs. (assuming you're using the split gear,,,my Mentor said they are a must) Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no? Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:41 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Rick, I did that with mine. It looks good. I faired the safety strap with some spruce cap strip material when I covered the fuse. Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, 5 July 2007 5:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no? Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List 10:02 AM 10:02 AM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:23 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing 41CC has a fairing strip down the underside of the fuselage and I like the way it adds shape. I remember it distinctly in two places: in the front, by the main gear attach fittings, because the brake lines are concealed between the fabric and cockpit floor plywood from the point where they dive down under the plywood, aft to where they emerge at the rear gear leg member attach point and go down the leg. The other place I remember seeing the strip is where the access panel is for the elevator bellcrank back in the tail. The metal access panel is broken down the middle to fit the shallow 'V' of the underside profile there. I know the bottom edge of the firewall is square, so the fairing strip must taper down to nearly nothing at the front, then also back at the tail it must taper down to nothing somewhere ahead of where the tailwheel spring attaches. If nothing else, I know the fairing strip increases my cruise speed by 10 MPH due to a reduction in burble and keeping the airflow from the clockwise swirling propwash traveling under the fuselage attached, thus increasing lift at the tail. OK, it looked good on paper anyway ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:03 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Rick, This is definitely a bad idea. First off, it is a deviation from the BHP plans. Second, it adds weight which is your enemy. The extra weight of the wood strip, glue, and fabric, and paint is not a good thing. The original look of the BHP Piet is a thing of beauty, not to be tampered with. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:54 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Thanks Greg. Think I figured out why some people use two bottom fairings instead of just one down the center. I test fit a single fairing and noticed that the fabric would contact a couple outer bolt heads however with two fairings there will be no contact. So I too will be installing two fairings. Rick On 7/4/07, gcardinal wrote: > > *Hi Rick,* > ** > *Yes, it is a good idea for the very reason you mentioned.* > ** > *Greg C.* > ** > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:49 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing > > Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings > down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding > one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what > I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have seen several > Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage bottom. Seems like a > good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply pieces when covering the > bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no? > > Thanks > > Rick > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:11 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Rick, Felix the GN-1 has said fairing strip down the center bottom. I like the way it looks and it does make it easier to clean the oil and grime that will accumulate there. The thing I don't like is what you said, it hides bolt heads and nuts that I would like to be able to inspect. I haven't decided if the bottom will be covered on the Piet I am building, probably not. Skip ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:20 PM PST US From: "James" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing I plan on doing it to mine. Good idea or not I like the way it looks. My Spacewalker had them to fill the fuselage out and it looked good. Besides every Pete out there is a "deviation from the plans" in one way or another. Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Rick, This is definitely a bad idea. First off, it is a deviation from the BHP plans. Second, it adds weight which is your enemy. The extra weight of the wood strip, glue, and fabric, and paint is not a good thing. The original look of the BHP Piet is a thing of beauty, not to be tampered with. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _____ See what's free at AOL.com . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:19 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing Hey Skip, if you leave off the fairings would you cover the bottom ply and all the bolts and straps with fabric? (kind of defeats to purpose of not adding the fairings since you still can't get to the bolt heads without cutting through some fabric). Or would you just paint the bottom ply and leave it uncovered? Someone posted a message earlier indicating that he did this and yes it would be the lightest and simplest solution. Wonder how often the bolts holding the rudder petals/bar and other things to the ply floor get loose and need to be re-tightened (requiring access to the bolt heads on the ply bottom)? Hope to see you at Broadhead. Rick On 7/4/07, Skip Gadd wrote: > > Rick, Felix the GN-1 has said fairing strip down the center bottom. I > like the way it looks and it does make it easier to clean the oil and grime > that will accumulate there. The thing I don't like is what you said, it > hides bolt heads and nuts that I would like to be able to inspect. > I haven't decided if the bottom will be covered on the Piet I am building, > probably not. > Skip > > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:12 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:53:19 PM Central Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-) Rick, I didn't add any of the strips on the bottom of the fuse, and I'm really glad I didn't. Just painted the plywood with the Rustoleum Aluminum Oil Base Paint that I used on the rest of the fuselage. The side fabric is overlapped the bottom by about 2 inches, and the fabric on the bottom begins at the aft edge of the plywood by about 2 inches. I was able to add all the hardware that is associated with the brakes, without cutting any fabric, and I can inspect all the hardware, and tighten as necessary - including the brackets at the landing gear / lift strut lugs , without cutting any fabric. I added heel brakes after about 32 hrs of flight time. Putting fabric on the bottom is against all the KISS method that the Pietenpol is noted for. Chuck G. 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