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1. 02:11 AM - 2 firing strips (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 04:23 AM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Phillips, Jack)
3. 05:17 AM - fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 06:09 AM - Re: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached (Rick Holland)
5. 06:20 AM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rick Holland)
6. 06:38 AM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Gene Rambo)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: 2 firing strips (Rick Holland)
8. 07:05 AM - bolt access (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
9. 07:08 AM - Re: 2 firing strips (James)
10. 07:21 AM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Skip Gadd)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rcaprd@aol.com)
12. 08:38 AM - Re: Fuselage bottom fairing (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. 08:49 AM - Re: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached (Don Emch)
14. 04:32 PM - Re: Great 4th of July story (Tom Stinemetze)
15. 05:22 PM - Re: 2 firing strips (Rick Holland)
16. 08:04 PM - Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings (Scott Schreiber)
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Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of
coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added
weight for a Model A Piet, They may also be just added weight for a
Corvair Piet in 6000 ft. (plus) Castle Rock Co. Leon S. in 1500 ft. Ks.
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| Subject: | Fuselage bottom fairing |
That's what I did.
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
Happy 4th of July everyone. I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings
down the center of both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about
adding one down the center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you
know what I think of people that deviate from the plans ;-), but I have
seen several Piets with one or two fairing strips on the fuselage
bottom. Seems like a good way to hide all those bolt heads and small ply
pieces when covering the bottom. Any thoughts? Good idea or no?
Thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached |
Rick,
Here is how I faired my fuselage and corners.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached |
Thanks Mike, have you ever had a need to get to any of those bolts on the
bottom, under the fabric? (Like to re-tighten any bolts?)
Rick
On 7/5/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
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> Rick,
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> Here is how I faired my fuselage and corners.
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> Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Yes simple is good, so you just painted the bare plywood bottom with a
couple coats of Rustoleum (no varnish) and then bolted on your metal
fittings?
Rick
On 7/4/07, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
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> In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:53:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
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> I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of both sides
> of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the center of
> fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think of people that
> deviate from the plans ;-)
>
> Rick,
> I didn't add any of the strips on the bottom of the fuse, and I'm really
> glad I didn't. Just painted the plywood with the Rustoleum Aluminum Oil
> Base Paint that I used on the rest of the fuselage. The side fabric is
> overlapped the bottom by about 2 inches, and the fabric on the bottom begins
> at the aft edge of the plywood by about 2 inches. I was able to add all the
> hardware that is associated with the brakes, without cutting any fabric, and
> I can inspect all the hardware, and tighten as necessary - including the
> brackets at the landing gear / lift strut lugs , without cutting any
> fabric. I added heel brakes after about 32 hrs of flight time. Putting
> fabric on the bottom is against all the KISS method that the Pietenpol is
> noted for.
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
> See y'all at Brodhead !!
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Chuck:
Just out of curiosity, if you left the fabric off the bottom, why not
leave it off the sides as well like the earlier plans showed? Kind of
like Alan Wise's is, I think. I have been playing with the idea of
leaving the fabric off the belly, and possibly the sides. I am
partially concerned because I KNOW cotton fabric will stick well enough
to merely overlap the plywood, I am not as confident with dacron. As
for people's concerns about inspecting and/or tightening bolts, I do not
know that I have ever seen a bolt loosen itself. Screws maybe, but not
bolts with either cotter pins or self-locking nuts.
Gene
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From: Rick Holland<mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage bottom fairing
Yes simple is good, so you just painted the bare plywood bottom with a
couple coats of Rustoleum (no varnish) and then bolted on your metal
fittings?
Rick
On 7/4/07, Rcaprd@aol.com<mailto:Rcaprd@aol.com>
<Rcaprd@aol.com<mailto:Rcaprd@aol.com>> wrote:
In a message dated 7/4/2007 2:53:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com<mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com> writes:
I just finished adding the 1x 1/4" fairings down the center of
both sides of the fuselage and am wondering about adding one down the
center of fuselage bottom. Not on the plans (and you know what I think
of people that deviate from the plans ;-)
Rick,
I didn't add any of the strips on the bottom of the fuse, and I'm
really glad I didn't. Just painted the plywood with the Rustoleum
Aluminum Oil Base Paint that I used on the rest of the fuselage. The
side fabric is overlapped the bottom by about 2 inches, and the fabric
on the bottom begins at the aft edge of the plywood by about 2 inches.
I was able to add all the hardware that is associated with the brakes,
without cutting any fabric, and I can inspect all the hardware, and
tighten as necessary - including the brackets at the landing gear / lift
strut lugs , without cutting any fabric. I added heel brakes after
about 32 hrs of flight time. Putting fabric on the bottom is against
all the KISS method that the Pietenpol is noted for.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
See y'all at Brodhead !!
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| Subject: | Re: 2 firing strips |
Thank you for bringing me back to my senses Leon (and Chuck), when it gets
to the expected 99 degrees today the density altitude at Meadow Lake airport
(6874 ft elev) will be 11004 ft!! I don't need no stinkin bottom fairings, I
need light.
Rick
On 7/5/07, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
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>
> Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of
> coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added
> weight for a Model A Piet, They may also be just added weight for a
> Corvair Piet in 6000 ft. (plus) Castle Rock Co. Leon S. in 1500 ft. Ks.
>
>
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Rick,
I have never (thankfully) had to dig into the fabric to get to any of
those bolts. One thing to consider is are your fittings long enough
(especially in the case of the Jenny style landing gear) for the X cable
bracing turnbuckles to attach to once you fair over with belly fabric
that stands off from the plywood. Even though I made my fittings a bit
longer there due to the fabric 'stand off' it was still a tight fit.
Mike C.
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Sounds like you need a turbocharger? A Rotax 914 maybe? OMG did I say
that
out loud? May the spirit of build to the plans strike me down!
Jim T.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2 firing strips
Thank you for bringing me back to my senses Leon (and Chuck), when it
gets
to the expected 99 degrees today the density altitude at Meadow Lake
airport
(6874 ft elev) will be 11004 ft!! I don't need no stinkin bottom
fairings, I
need light.
Rick
On 7/5/07, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of
coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
Rick, As of now I plan to do it like Chuck. That could change in the year or 2
before I get to that point.
Skip
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
In a message dated 7/5/2007 8:21:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Yes simple is good, so you just painted the bare plywood bottom with a couple
coats of Rustoleum (no varnish) and then bolted on your metal fittings?
Rick
Yes, that's how I did it. Don't forget about drain holes in the floor of
both cockpits. I think drain holes are a MUST, and I don't know how you could
do
it if you had fabric on the bottom. I put one on each side in the front pit,
just ahead of the front seat support, and one on each side of the rear
cockpit floor, just in front of that seat support. When you throw these holes
up in
the air, they DON'T come back down, so I put them in...acording to Leon's
method...actually I think it was originally Walt's mentor.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage bottom fairing |
In a message dated 7/5/2007 8:39:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
generambo@msn.com writes:
Chuck:
Just out of curiosity, if you left the fabric off the bottom, why not leave
it off the sides as well like the earlier plans showed? Kind of like Alan
Wise's is, I think. I have been playing with the idea of leaving the fabric off
the belly, and possibly the sides. I am partially concerned because I KNOW
cotton fabric will stick well enough to merely overlap the plywood, I am not as
confident with dacron. As for people's concerns about inspecting and/or
tightening bolts, I do not know that I have ever seen a bolt loosen itself. Screws
maybe, but not bolts with either cotter pins or self-locking nuts.
Gene
You can certainly leave the fabric off of both sides, as well as the bottom.
It's less weight, less work, and more economical...all good traits of the
Pietenpol design. That's how Alan Wise, Doug Bryant, and some others did it.
By
the way, Doug's Model A Pietenpol still graces the skies around Creeve Coeur
St. Louis. No problem with the Dacron Fabric coming off if you have at least
2" overlap on clean wood. After it is painted, the leading edge of the seam,
that is into the wind, almost disappears. It's true that self locking nuts
will probably never loosen itself...key word - 'Probably'. Never say 'Never'
in this airplane building stuff !!
Here is something that happened to my plane a few years ago:
Doug B. built all the metal fittings on my plane, and he used the plans
thickness, 1020 steel, for the Four EL brackets on the inside of the fuselage,
where the lift strut / landing gear lugs are. After two years of testing runway
hardness, the #10 bolts depressed dimples in the soft steel, and the bolts
were loose. I changed out those four brackets with .060" 4130 steel. I had to
patch the fabric on the sides where the bolt heads were under the fabric. I
have had no problem since...and I'm still testing runway hardness !! :)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: fuse stringers----diagram/sketch attached |
Rick,
I did mine the same way. I like the look and it does keep the belly cleaner.
Mine sits kinda nose high on the ground and the belly is fairly visible. I haven't
done it yet, but one thing I've thought of doing, if I get loose bolts is
to use a dremel to cut very small slots on the end of the bolts, well beyond
the nut to use a screw driver to hold the bolt stationary while turning the nut.
Just a thought...
Hey Mike, are you going to make it to the T-Craft/Aeronca Fly-in this weekend?
I'm planning to be there on Saturday. Weather is supposed to be really nice,
hopefully they have a nice turnout!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Great 4th of July story |
Not long after that, Kevin Purtee had to shelve his project as he
was going to
deploy to Iraq as an Apache helicopter pilot. He's been over
there for more than
a year and will return home soon, but I thought the group would
want to read
about this incident:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4939405.html
John:
This story was covered this morning on CNN in a little more detail.
That coverage indicated that there were two downed chopper pilots in a
hot zone that had to be extracted. Since one of them was wounded and
the Apache only has room for two, Mr. Purtee installed the wounded pilot
in his seat and then he and the unwounded rescuee strapped themselves to
the stub wings on either side of the cockpit. Exit, stage left, at
about 120 MPH. What a thrill that must have been and with live fire
still coming in too! We don't even HALF appreciate our fighting men and
women adequately!
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
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| Subject: | Re: 2 firing strips |
I have given adding a turbo a thought. And William Wynne have done some work
with a turbo mod on a Corvair engine. But in the mean time I can fly on the
cooler days.
Rick
On 7/5/07, James <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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> Sounds like you need a turbocharger? A Rotax 914 maybe? OMG did I say
> that out loud? May the spirit of build to the plans strike me down!
>
> Jim T.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:39 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 2 firing strips
>
> Thank you for bringing me back to my senses Leon (and Chuck), when it gets
> to the expected 99 degrees today the density altitude at Meadow Lake airport
> (6874 ft elev) will be 11004 ft!! I don't need no stinkin bottom fairings, I
> need light.
>
> Rick
>
> On 7/5/07, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Rick: I did the "throw them into the air" trick. (in my mind of
> > coarse) and they fell back to earth telling me that they are just added
> >
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> ObjectAge Ltd.
> Castle Rock, Colorado
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: drag, tail brace, and strut wires and fittings |
As Bill Church said "Do yourself a big favor and buy the set of Tony
Bingelis books.
It will be the best $89 you spend in building your plane."
About the same time you suggested this a fellow in the chapter loaned me
his Firewall Foreward Bingelis book. As soon as I saw what it had in it
I ordered the whole set. I just wanted to underline this for anyone
thinking about building. It is a great book set and will certainly pay
for itself in wasted or misordered material alone.
Fortunatly I found out I have access to a swage machine as well as a
nicropress through the EAA chapter I joined a while back. For some cable
ends I am using the MS20664-C4 ball ends and SA362-4 fork fittings
mainly where they end at a metal fitting. For other points I will be
using the nicopress and thimble.
On the upside, I am starting my cabanes and have the outer fittings on
and am starting on the inner ones tonight. Both wings are mostly done
with the ailerons and wingtips remaining and the center section is
coming along.
-Scott
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