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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Piets in San Diego (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
2. 12:16 PM - Spruce vs Douglas Fir (Terry Hall)
3. 12:38 PM - Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir (Ed G.)
4. 01:15 PM - Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir (pietn38b@aol.com)
5. 03:01 PM - Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 (walt evans)
6. 05:22 PM - Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 05:23 PM - Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 (Ed G.)
8. 06:28 PM - Reclining the seat back (Ryan Michals)
9. 07:03 PM - Re: Reclining the seat back (Rick Holland)
10. 07:35 PM - Re: Reclining the seat back (Rick Holland)
11. 09:05 PM - Re: Reclining the seat back (Dick Navratil)
12. 09:41 PM - In need of air carrier..... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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Subject: | Re: Piets in San Diego |
Had a short notice trip come up, on my way to San Diego. Any Piets in the area
in need or open for a visit in the next couple of days?
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roundup Piet
Wow-! Very nifty instrument panel on that one, and did you catch the photos
showing the "supercharger" made from a vacuum cleaner motor? Any idea what
it did to performance and what drove it (belt, probably)?
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | Spruce vs Douglas Fir |
All,
Three questions concerning the subject:
Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear
spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine?
Terry Hall
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Subject: | Spruce vs Douglas Fir |
I'm only counting two questions but; I've heard of at least three people on
the list who have used Fir for their spars and I'm sure there are many more.
It is about 23 to 25% stronger than spruce but slightly heavier and much
less expensive. I've used clear pine for non structural stuff like seat
frames but it's not as strong as spruce so I wouldn't use it for spars. But
then....maybe 1" pine spars might work if the grain was up to specs? I've
just never heard of it being done and being from Florida I've never seen a
clear 13 foot pine board......Ed G.
>From: "Terry Hall" <adaairport@cableone.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:15:54 -0500
>
>All,
>
>Three questions concerning the subject:
>
>Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear
>spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine?
>
>Terry Hall
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Subject: | Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir |
My wings and fuselage were built with fir. Been flying since 1995. JIM
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Subject: | Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 |
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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Subject: | Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir |
In a message dated 7/11/2007 2:17:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
adaairport@cableone.net writes:
All,
Three questions concerning the subject:
Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear spars?
Has anyone ever used clear white pine?
Terry Hall
I used Doug Fir for the 3/4 X 4 3/4 spars, but I wouldn't even consider clear
white pine, unless it is covered as acceptable in the AC 43.13.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 |
Another good reason for the use of jury struts!!!!!
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From: walt evans<mailto:waltdak@verizon.net>
To: piet list<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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Subject: | Reclining the seat back |
I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the
fuselage sides, is this correct?
Ryan
Mark
You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main
complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of
flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the
seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the
top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for
the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward
cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear
cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you
are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what
you think.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Blackwell"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update
>
> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing
> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not
> the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.
>
> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front
> seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it
> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be
> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have
> that be that big of a problem.
>
> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not
> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it
> as well.
>
> Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage
> compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used
> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the
> ride should I choose to.
>
> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very
> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way
> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I
> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit?
> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big
> impact on balance.
>
> Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting
> this done.
>
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Subject: | Re: Reclining the seat back |
You may already be planning to do this but building a mock cockpit with
scrap before you start cutting the expensive wood is the way to get the
cockpit just the way you want it.
Rick
On 7/11/07, Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> **
> * I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts
> in the fuselage sides, is this correct?*
> **
> *Ryan*
> **
> **
> *Mark*
> *You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My
> main*
> *complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of*
> *flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to
> the*
> *seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the
> *
> *top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions
> for*
> *the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the
> forward*
> *cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear*
> *cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you
> *
> *are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what
> *
> *you think.*
> *Dick N.*
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From: "Mark Blackwell" *
> *Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update*
> * *
> * *
> *> *
> *> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing
> *
> *> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not
> *
> *> the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.*
> *> *
> *> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front*
> *> seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it*
> *> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be*
> *> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have*
> *> that be that big of a problem.*
> *> *
> *> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not*
> *> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy
> it*
> *> as well.*
> *> *
> *> Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage*
> *> compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used*
> *> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the*
> *> ride should I choose to.*
> *> *
> *> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very*
> *> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way
> *
> *> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I*
> *> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit?*
> *> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big
> *
> *> impact on balance.*
> *> *
> *> Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting*
> *> this done.*
> *> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Reclining the seat back |
And talking about mock cockpits, here is a recent picture of mine after
sitting out behind the house for a couple years. Would have used it for
firewood by now but the kids want to try using it as a kind of weird
toboggan this winter.
Rick
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On 7/11/07, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You may already be planning to do this but building a mock cockpit with
> scrap before you start cutting the expensive wood is the way to get the
> cockpit just the way you want it.
>
> Rick
>
> On 7/11/07, Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > **
> > * I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the
> > struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? *
> > **
> > *Ryan*
> > **
> > **
> > *Mark*
> > *You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My
> > main*
> > *complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours
> > of*
> > *flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to
> > the*
> > * seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at
> > the*
> > *top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the
> > dimensions for*
> > *the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the
> > forward *
> > *cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear*
> > *cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If
> > you*
> > * are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see
> > what*
> > *you think.*
> > *Dick N. *
> > *----- Original Message -----*
> > * From: "Mark Blackwell" *
> > *Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update*
> > * *
> > * *
> > * > *
> > *> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the
> > drawing*
> > *> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and
> > not*
> > * > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.*
> > *> *
> > *> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the
> > front*
> > * > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it
> > *
> > *> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be*
> > *> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have
> > *
> > *> that be that big of a problem.*
> > * > *
> > *> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not*
> > *> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy
> > it*
> > *> as well.*
> > *> *
> > * > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage*
> > * > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used
> > *
> > *> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the
> > *
> > *> ride should I choose to.*
> > *> *
> > *> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very*
> > *> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the
> > way *
> > *> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing.
> > I*
> > *> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG
> > limit?*
> > *> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a
> > big*
> > * > impact on balance.*
> > *> *
> > * > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting
> > *
> > *> this done.*
> > *> *
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: Reclining the seat back |
Ryan
Are you going to Brodhead or OSH? If so, you can sit in my new plane
and see if you like the way I spaced it out and the larger leg hole
openings.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michals
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back
I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the
struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct?
Ryan
Mark
You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My
main
complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours
of
flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to
the
seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at
the
top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the
dimensions for
the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the
forward
cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear
cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If
you
are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see
what
you think.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Blackwell"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update
>
> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the
drawing
> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and
not
> the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.
>
> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the
front
> seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it
> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be
> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to
have
> that be that big of a problem.
>
> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not
> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to
enjoy it
> as well.
>
> Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage
> compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used
> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for
the
> ride should I choose to.
>
> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very
> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the
way
> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing.
I
> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG
limit?
> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a
big
> impact on balance.
>
> Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting
> this done.
>
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Subject: | In need of air carrier..... |
Fellow Pieters..........
Anyone living near Corky traveling up to Brodhead, WI for the Pietenpol gathering?
If so please advise.....
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
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