---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/11/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: Piets in San Diego (Amsafetyc@aol.com) 2. 12:16 PM - Spruce vs Douglas Fir (Terry Hall) 3. 12:38 PM - Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir (Ed G.) 4. 01:15 PM - Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir (pietn38b@aol.com) 5. 03:01 PM - Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 (walt evans) 6. 05:22 PM - Re: Spruce vs Douglas Fir (Rcaprd@aol.com) 7. 05:23 PM - Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 (Ed G.) 8. 06:28 PM - Reclining the seat back (Ryan Michals) 9. 07:03 PM - Re: Reclining the seat back (Rick Holland) 10. 07:35 PM - Re: Reclining the seat back (Rick Holland) 11. 09:05 PM - Re: Reclining the seat back (Dick Navratil) 12. 09:41 PM - In need of air carrier..... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in San Diego From: Amsafetyc@aol.com Had a short notice trip come up, on my way to San Diego. Any Piets in the area in need or open for a visit in the next couple of days? John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roundup Piet Wow-! Very nifty instrument panel on that one, and did you catch the photos showing the "supercharger" made from a vacuum cleaner motor? Any idea what it did to performance and what drove it (belt, probably)? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:41 PM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir All, Three questions concerning the subject: Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine? Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:27 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir I'm only counting two questions but; I've heard of at least three people on the list who have used Fir for their spars and I'm sure there are many more. It is about 23 to 25% stronger than spruce but slightly heavier and much less expensive. I've used clear pine for non structural stuff like seat frames but it's not as strong as spruce so I wouldn't use it for spars. But then....maybe 1" pine spars might work if the grain was up to specs? I've just never heard of it being done and being from Florida I've never seen a clear 13 foot pine board......Ed G. >From: "Terry Hall" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:15:54 -0500 > >All, > >Three questions concerning the subject: > >Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear >spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine? > >Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:03 PM PST US From: pietn38b@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir My wings and fuselage were built with fir. Been flying since 1995. JIM ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:58 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:54 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce vs Douglas Fir In a message dated 7/11/2007 2:17:59 PM Central Daylight Time, adaairport@cableone.net writes: All, Three questions concerning the subject: Has anyone substituted Douglas Fir for spruce for their front and rear spars? Has anyone ever used clear white pine? Terry Hall I used Doug Fir for the 3/4 X 4 3/4 spars, but I wouldn't even consider clear white pine, unless it is covered as acceptable in the AC 43.13. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:07 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 Another good reason for the use of jury struts!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: piet list Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:41 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:25 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back You may already be planning to do this but building a mock cockpit with scrap before you start cutting the expensive wood is the way to get the cockpit just the way you want it. Rick On 7/11/07, Ryan Michals wrote: > > ** > * I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts > in the fuselage sides, is this correct?* > ** > *Ryan* > ** > ** > *Mark* > *You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My > main* > *complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of* > *flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to > the* > *seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the > * > *top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions > for* > *the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the > forward* > *cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear* > *cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you > * > *are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what > * > *you think.* > *Dick N.* > *----- Original Message -----* > *From: "Mark Blackwell" * > *Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update* > * * > * * > *> * > *> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > * > *> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > * > *> the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.* > *> * > *> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front* > *> seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it* > *> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be* > *> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have* > *> that be that big of a problem.* > *> * > *> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not* > *> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy > it* > *> as well.* > *> * > *> Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage* > *> compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used* > *> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the* > *> ride should I choose to.* > *> * > *> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very* > *> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > * > *> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I* > *> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit?* > *> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > * > *> impact on balance.* > *> * > *> Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting* > *> this done.* > *> * > > > ------------------------------ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbaralerts you the instant new Mail arrives.Check it out. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:30 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back And talking about mock cockpits, here is a recent picture of mine after sitting out behind the house for a couple years. Would have used it for firewood by now but the kids want to try using it as a kind of weird toboggan this winter. Rick do not archive On 7/11/07, Rick Holland wrote: > > You may already be planning to do this but building a mock cockpit with > scrap before you start cutting the expensive wood is the way to get the > cockpit just the way you want it. > > Rick > > On 7/11/07, Ryan Michals wrote: > > > > ** > > * I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the > > struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? * > > ** > > *Ryan* > > ** > > ** > > *Mark* > > *You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My > > main* > > *complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours > > of* > > *flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to > > the* > > * seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at > > the* > > *top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the > > dimensions for* > > *the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the > > forward * > > *cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear* > > *cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If > > you* > > * are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see > > what* > > *you think.* > > *Dick N. * > > *----- Original Message -----* > > * From: "Mark Blackwell" * > > *Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update* > > * * > > * * > > * > * > > *> Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the > > drawing* > > *> wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and > > not* > > * > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage.* > > *> * > > *> The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the > > front* > > * > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > > * > > *> forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be* > > *> lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > > * > > *> that be that big of a problem.* > > * > * > > *> A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not* > > *> ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy > > it* > > *> as well.* > > *> * > > * > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage* > > * > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > > * > > *> for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > > * > > *> ride should I choose to.* > > *> * > > *> Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very* > > *> little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the > > way * > > *> to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. > > I* > > *> saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG > > limit?* > > *> If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a > > big* > > * > impact on balance.* > > *> * > > * > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > > * > > *> this done.* > > *> * > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Never miss an email again! > > Yahoo! Toolbar > > alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.Check it out. > > > > * > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > * > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:52 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back Ryan Are you going to Brodhead or OSH? If so, you can sit in my new plane and see if you like the way I spaced it out and the larger leg hole openings. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michals To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Reclining the seat back I am assuming you recline the seat by repositioning the struts in the fuselage sides, is this correct? Ryan Mark You will need the long fuse if using the Corvair or Cont. engine. My main complaint in building the short fuse was that after a couple of hours of flying my lower back gets real sore from the angle of the seat back to the seat bottom. On my new long fuse, I reclined the seat back 1 1/2" at the top and flattened out the seat bottom. Also, I went with the dimensions for the short fuse in building the bridge decks between cockpits and the forward cockpit. The result is that I have an additional 9 1/2" in the rear cockpit. Width has not been an issue for me. I am 5'10" - 200lb. If you are located near MPLS, MN. you can come over and sit in both and see what you think. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Blackwell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans study update > > Well first little issue and hopefully I am just not reading the drawing > wrong. I may be looking at the drawings for the short fuselage and not > the long. I will definately need the long fuselage. > > The plans call for a 31 inch space between the rear pit and the front > seat. Trouble is I have about 36 inch legs. When bent up enough it > forces knees into what will be the panel. That will have to be > lengthed. Width was not a problem. I wasn't wide enough yet to have > that be that big of a problem. > > A couple of options. One is cramp the person in the front pit. Not > ideal. If you want to take someone for a ride you want them to enjoy it > as well. > > Option get rid of the front seat. Well at least make it a baggage > compartment. Most of the time thats all the front pit would be used > for, but I would still like the ability to take someone along for the > ride should I choose to. > > Lengthen the fuselage. It looks like going forward would have very > little impact. Im about 220 so going back probably wouldn't be the way > to go. Especially since the datam is the leading edge of the wing. I > saw a rearward CG limit in the plans, but is there a forward CG limit? > If so what is it and how much of an extension can be made without a big > impact on balance. > > Thanks all for the help. Its going to be a whale of a ride gettting > this done. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:47 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: In need of air carrier..... Fellow Pieters.......... Anyone living near Corky traveling up to Brodhead, WI for the Pietenpol gathering? If so please advise..... Ken H. Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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