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1. 06:31 AM - Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Terry Hall)
2. 07:24 AM - Brodhead "NOTAM"? (Tom Winter)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Barry Davis)
4. 07:57 AM - Fuselage drain holes (Rick Holland)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Brodhead "NOTAM"? (Greg Chapman)
6. 08:12 AM - Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 (Barry Davis)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Terry Hall)
8. 08:32 AM - Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? (Jim Markle)
9. 08:38 AM - Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Barry Davis)
10. 12:06 PM - Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? (Gene & Tammy)
11. 12:35 PM - Another question about Douglas Fir (Terry Hall)
12. 12:40 PM - Re: Fuselage drain holes (walt evans)
13. 02:38 PM - Re: Another question about Douglas Fir (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: Fuselage drain holes (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 03:52 PM - 1974 PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: Fuselage drain holes (Rick Holland)
17. 10:12 PM - Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Follow up question on Douglas Fir |
All,
Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir
for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts?
Terry Hall
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| Subject: | Brodhead "NOTAM"? |
I will be arriving in my Cessna 150 Saturday morning for Ken Perkins'
engine presentation, from the 150/152 reunion in Clinton, Iowa.
Anything I should know about landing, parking? Reason I ask is
because of experience at the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering
last weekend. There was no radio response, there was no parking
guide. I found out after I parked that I was supposed to cut the
engine before getting on to the apron. Made sense, but I landed
just when the one parking volunteer was on break. They need a "NOTAM."
Hence my question. What should I know about flying in to the
Pietenpol gathering in addition to the airport info?
The annual 150/152 gathering is just 62 miles to the southwest.
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir |
Terry
Where are you located?
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
All,
Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas
Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts?
Terry Hall
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| Subject: | Fuselage drain holes |
That discussion last week about fuselage exterior fairing strips brought up
another issue I hadn't thought about which is the need for water drain holes
in the fuselage floor (which would apply to any open cockpit aircraft). Am
thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel
in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any
experienced Piet users?
Rick
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Brodhead "NOTAM"? |
I've been wondering that myself. I'm intending to bring my lowly Cessna but
would prefer to avoid a repeat of my arrival at Clow last year. It was a
surprise, let me tell you, to arrive in the middle of the airshow.
Fortunately, they knew there should have been a NOTAM and no one gave me
grief. It just would have been better to know ahead of time.
Greg Chapman
http://www.mousetrax.com
http://www.layer1wireless.com
"Don't start with me or I'll
replace you with a small and
efficient script!"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winter
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead "NOTAM"?
>
>
> I will be arriving in my Cessna 150 Saturday morning for Ken Perkins'
> engine presentation, from the 150/152 reunion in Clinton, Iowa.
>
> Anything I should know about landing, parking? Reason I ask is
> because of experience at the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering
> last weekend. There was no radio response, there was no parking
> guide. I found out after I parked that I was supposed to cut the
> engine before getting on to the apron. Made sense, but I landed
> just when the one parking volunteer was on break. They need a "NOTAM."
>
> Hence my question. What should I know about flying in to the
> Pietenpol gathering in addition to the airport info?
>
> The annual 150/152 gathering is just 62 miles to the southwest.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 |
Ahhhh the memories!
I'll never forget my first ride in an Aircamper. It was about 2001 or
so and the ride was at Brodhead with Kim Stickler in his yellow GN-1. He
said "do exactly as I tell you" and it was Left foot here, right hand
here, etc. When all the gymnastics were over I had my large butt in the
front cockpit, but then the main problem surfaced - I was facing
backwards. That didn't phase Kim one bit, he calmly said "Oh, I meant
RIGHT foot here, LEFT hand here".
Of course all my buddies were snapping pictures like Walmart was
giving away free prints. And yes they did show up on the front page of
our EAA Newsletter.
See ya'll at Brodhead
Barry Davis
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir |
I work in Ada, OK, but live in TX.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
Terry
Where are you located?
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
All,
Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas
Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts?
Terry Hall
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? |
I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some
wandering around...
Any other Piet folks gonna be around?
Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...)
214.505.6101
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| Subject: | Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir |
A little too far from Atlanta, but check with your larger locally owned
lumberyards, not Home Depot. We found a very large supply of perfect
wood that the owner said had not been picked through for over 20 years.
The bundles were stuck in the back on the bottom, it took 2 days to get
it out. It's out there, you just have to look for it.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
I work in Ada, OK, but live in TX.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
Terry
Where are you located?
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir
All,
Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use
Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any
thoughts?
Terry Hall
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? |
Jim, I follow the flybaby site as well as this site (it's a wood plane)
and I find the members very knowledgeable and frendly. If you don't
find any Pieters I think it would be worth your while to go talk with
them. They are having an open BBQ. If you will go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flybabylist/message/7260 you will find
the invite and directions. Only wish I could be there.
let me know if it works out
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Markle
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening?
I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for
some wandering around...
Any other Piet folks gonna be around?
Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...)
214.505.6101
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7/11/2007 4:09 PM
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| Subject: | Another question about Douglas Fir |
All,
I have found some "D Fir" at my local lumber yard that is 2x6x16. Is D
Fir the same as "Douglas Fir ." I recall reading somewhere that these
are not the same. I understand that I would have to select carefully
and apply the guidelines of AC43-13.
Terry Hall
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage drain holes |
Yeah, gotta have drain holes in lots of places.
Bought a cheap pencil soldering iron.
For instance, put them lower side, just in front of trailing edge wood
piece, next to where each rib meets. With dihedral, it would be so that
the moisture would run down to meet the rib and go out the hole there.
Same along bottom of fuse, horz. stab, and bottom of tail and rudder.
Practice so you don't go too deep and put a hole in the top of the wing.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes
That discussion last week about fuselage exterior fairing strips
brought up another issue I hadn't thought about which is the need for
water drain holes in the fuselage floor (which would apply to any open
cockpit aircraft). Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash
cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight.
Any opinions from any experienced Piet users?
Rick
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Another question about Douglas Fir |
In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
adaairport@cableone.net writes:
All,
I have found some "D Fir" at my local lumber yard that is 2x6x16. Is D Fir
the same as "Douglas Fir ." I recall reading somewhere that these are not the
same. I understand that I would have to select carefully and apply the
guidelines of AC43-13.
Terry Hall
Terry,
You will need 'Quarter Sawn' lumber for the spars. They are cut that way to
minimize warpage. Normal lumber yard stuff is NOT quarter sawn, no matter
what kind of wood it is. However, once in a while they accidentally cut a board
and it ends up as quarter sawn lumber. The spars also have to meet the grain
requirements called out in the AC 43.13.
I had a fellow named Gus Wiebe, from a little FBO at Halstead KS, cut the
spars for my Pietenpol, and my Tailwind. Halstead is about 25 miles north of
Wichita, KS. He's an older gentleman, and has been in aviation since he was a
kid, dealing mainly with wood airplanes...and his sons are too. The last I
knew, his phone number is 785-835-2417, but you would probably have to go pick
it
up. He did an excellent job with my spars. He cut the scarf joints for the
Piet spars, too (Tailwind spars didn't need any scarfs). Scarf joints must be
Cut with a saw or a planner, and DO NOT Ever sand on the scarfed surfaces, or
sawdust will plug some of the microscopic capillary tubes in the lumber, and
the adhesive will not penetrate into the wood far enough.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
_http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage drain holes |
In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the
panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any
experienced Piet users?
Rick,
Last week I mentioned that I have 4 holes in the floor, but I actually have
6...I forgot about the crossmember that I catch my feet on, every time I wiggle
down in the cockpit. I also have a drain hole in the bay where the cowling
fuel tank sits, with a fitting on it and a piece of tygon tubing that extends
straight down, and exits in front of the right front gear / lift strut lug.
It's there in case the tank develops a leak.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
_http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/)
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| Subject: | 1974 PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER |
ebay item # 160137321645
buy now price 7500$
looks like a sweet deal for someone on the left coast.
also see ebay item # 300128966887
for a nice project aircamper.
Michael Silvius
Scarborough, Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage drain holes |
Good thinking Chuck, that wouldn't be fun flying around with an inch of
gasoline sloshing around on the cockpit floor.
Rick
On 7/12/07, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the
> panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any
> experienced Piet users?
>
> Rick,
> Last week I mentioned that I have 4 holes in the floor, but I actually
> have 6...I forgot about the crossmember that I catch my feet on, every time
> I wiggle down in the cockpit. I also have a drain hole in the bay where the
> cowling fuel tank sits, with a fitting on it and a piece of tygon tubing
> that extends straight down, and exits in front of the right front gear /
> lift strut lug. It's there in case the tank develops a leak.
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
> http://nx770cg.com/
>
>
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Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? |
What's up for the weekend Bub?
Clif
I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for
some wandering around...
Any other Piet folks gonna be around?
Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...)
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