---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/12/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:31 AM - Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Terry Hall) 2. 07:24 AM - Brodhead "NOTAM"? (Tom Winter) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Barry Davis) 4. 07:57 AM - Fuselage drain holes (Rick Holland) 5. 08:07 AM - Re: Brodhead "NOTAM"? (Greg Chapman) 6. 08:12 AM - Re: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 (Barry Davis) 7. 08:23 AM - Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Terry Hall) 8. 08:32 AM - Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? (Jim Markle) 9. 08:38 AM - Re: Follow up question on Douglas Fir (Barry Davis) 10. 12:06 PM - Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? (Gene & Tammy) 11. 12:35 PM - Another question about Douglas Fir (Terry Hall) 12. 12:40 PM - Re: Fuselage drain holes (walt evans) 13. 02:38 PM - Re: Another question about Douglas Fir (Rcaprd@aol.com) 14. 02:47 PM - Re: Fuselage drain holes (Rcaprd@aol.com) 15. 03:52 PM - 1974 PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 16. 04:54 PM - Re: Fuselage drain holes (Rick Holland) 17. 10:12 PM - Re: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:10 AM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:07 AM PST US From: Tom Winter Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead "NOTAM"? I will be arriving in my Cessna 150 Saturday morning for Ken Perkins' engine presentation, from the 150/152 reunion in Clinton, Iowa. Anything I should know about landing, parking? Reason I ask is because of experience at the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering last weekend. There was no radio response, there was no parking guide. I found out after I parked that I was supposed to cut the engine before getting on to the apron. Made sense, but I landed just when the one parking volunteer was on break. They need a "NOTAM." Hence my question. What should I know about flying in to the Pietenpol gathering in addition to the airport info? The annual 150/152 gathering is just 62 miles to the southwest. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:55 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir Terry Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:15 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes That discussion last week about fuselage exterior fairing strips brought up another issue I hadn't thought about which is the need for water drain holes in the fuselage floor (which would apply to any open cockpit aircraft). Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any experienced Piet users? Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:04 AM PST US From: "Greg Chapman" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead "NOTAM"? I've been wondering that myself. I'm intending to bring my lowly Cessna but would prefer to avoid a repeat of my arrival at Clow last year. It was a surprise, let me tell you, to arrive in the middle of the airshow. Fortunately, they knew there should have been a NOTAM and no one gave me grief. It just would have been better to know ahead of time. Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Winter > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:23 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead "NOTAM"? > > > I will be arriving in my Cessna 150 Saturday morning for Ken Perkins' > engine presentation, from the 150/152 reunion in Clinton, Iowa. > > Anything I should know about landing, parking? Reason I ask is > because of experience at the Annual Nebraska Ultralight Gathering > last weekend. There was no radio response, there was no parking > guide. I found out after I parked that I was supposed to cut the > engine before getting on to the apron. Made sense, but I landed > just when the one parking volunteer was on break. They need a "NOTAM." > > Hence my question. What should I know about flying in to the > Pietenpol gathering in addition to the airport info? > > The annual 150/152 gathering is just 62 miles to the southwest. > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:14 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Getting out is as easy as 1, 2, 3 Ahhhh the memories! I'll never forget my first ride in an Aircamper. It was about 2001 or so and the ride was at Brodhead with Kim Stickler in his yellow GN-1. He said "do exactly as I tell you" and it was Left foot here, right hand here, etc. When all the gymnastics were over I had my large butt in the front cockpit, but then the main problem surfaced - I was facing backwards. That didn't phase Kim one bit, he calmly said "Oh, I meant RIGHT foot here, LEFT hand here". Of course all my buddies were snapping pictures like Walmart was giving away free prints. And yes they did show up on the front page of our EAA Newsletter. See ya'll at Brodhead Barry Davis ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:04 AM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir I work in Ada, OK, but live in TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir Terry Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:25 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...) 214.505.6101 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:54 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir A little too far from Atlanta, but check with your larger locally owned lumberyards, not Home Depot. We found a very large supply of perfect wood that the owner said had not been picked through for over 20 years. The bundles were stuck in the back on the bottom, it took 2 days to get it out. It's out there, you just have to look for it. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir I work in Ada, OK, but live in TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir Terry Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Follow up question on Douglas Fir All, Thanks for the input on spruce vs. fir. If I decided to use Douglas Fir for spars, where could I buy the 14 foot lengths? Any thoughts? Terry Hall href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:31 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? Jim, I follow the flybaby site as well as this site (it's a wood plane) and I find the members very knowledgeable and frendly. If you don't find any Pieters I think it would be worth your while to go talk with them. They are having an open BBQ. If you will go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flybabylist/message/7260 you will find the invite and directions. Only wish I could be there. let me know if it works out Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? Jim Markle (currently in Tulalip...) 214.505.6101 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/11/2007 4:09 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:31 PM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another question about Douglas Fir All, I have found some "D Fir" at my local lumber yard that is 2x6x16. Is D Fir the same as "Douglas Fir ." I recall reading somewhere that these are not the same. I understand that I would have to select carefully and apply the guidelines of AC43-13. Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:22 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes Yeah, gotta have drain holes in lots of places. Bought a cheap pencil soldering iron. For instance, put them lower side, just in front of trailing edge wood piece, next to where each rib meets. With dihedral, it would be so that the moisture would run down to meet the rib and go out the hole there. Same along bottom of fuse, horz. stab, and bottom of tail and rudder. Practice so you don't go too deep and put a hole in the top of the wing. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes That discussion last week about fuselage exterior fairing strips brought up another issue I hadn't thought about which is the need for water drain holes in the fuselage floor (which would apply to any open cockpit aircraft). Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any experienced Piet users? Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:41 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another question about Douglas Fir In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time, adaairport@cableone.net writes: All, I have found some "D Fir" at my local lumber yard that is 2x6x16. Is D Fir the same as "Douglas Fir ." I recall reading somewhere that these are not the same. I understand that I would have to select carefully and apply the guidelines of AC43-13. Terry Hall Terry, You will need 'Quarter Sawn' lumber for the spars. They are cut that way to minimize warpage. Normal lumber yard stuff is NOT quarter sawn, no matter what kind of wood it is. However, once in a while they accidentally cut a board and it ends up as quarter sawn lumber. The spars also have to meet the grain requirements called out in the AC 43.13. I had a fellow named Gus Wiebe, from a little FBO at Halstead KS, cut the spars for my Pietenpol, and my Tailwind. Halstead is about 25 miles north of Wichita, KS. He's an older gentleman, and has been in aviation since he was a kid, dealing mainly with wood airplanes...and his sons are too. The last I knew, his phone number is 785-835-2417, but you would probably have to go pick it up. He did an excellent job with my spars. He cut the scarf joints for the Piet spars, too (Tailwind spars didn't need any scarfs). Scarf joints must be Cut with a saw or a planner, and DO NOT Ever sand on the scarfed surfaces, or sawdust will plug some of the microscopic capillary tubes in the lumber, and the adhesive will not penetrate into the wood far enough. Chuck G. NX770CG _http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:21 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any experienced Piet users? Rick, Last week I mentioned that I have 4 holes in the floor, but I actually have 6...I forgot about the crossmember that I catch my feet on, every time I wiggle down in the cockpit. I also have a drain hole in the bay where the cowling fuel tank sits, with a fitting on it and a piece of tygon tubing that extends straight down, and exits in front of the right front gear / lift strut lug. It's there in case the tank develops a leak. Chuck G. NX770CG _http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/) ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:50 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1974 PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER ebay item # 160137321645 buy now price 7500$ looks like a sweet deal for someone on the left coast. also see ebay item # 300128966887 for a nice project aircamper. Michael Silvius Scarborough, Maine ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:51 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage drain holes Good thinking Chuck, that wouldn't be fun flying around with an inch of gasoline sloshing around on the cockpit floor. Rick On 7/12/07, Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/12/2007 9:58:31 AM Central Daylight Time, > at7000ft@gmail.com writes: > > Am thinking of adding two holes in front of each ash cross member and the > panel in front of each seat for a total of eight. Any opinions from any > experienced Piet users? > > Rick, > Last week I mentioned that I have 4 holes in the floor, but I actually > have 6...I forgot about the crossmember that I catch my feet on, every time > I wiggle down in the cockpit. I also have a drain hole in the bay where the > cowling fuel tank sits, with a fitting on it and a piece of tygon tubing > that extends straight down, and exits in front of the right front gear / > lift strut lug. It's there in case the tank develops a leak. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > http://nx770cg.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com > . > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:22 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone going to Arlington tomorrow evening? What's up for the weekend Bub? Clif I'm in town on business and might get to go over around 5:00pm for some wandering around... Any other Piet folks gonna be around? 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