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1. 11:48 AM - Fredericksburg, TX fly-out (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 12:42 PM - shipping an airplane (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 12:44 PM - Some new Piet photos on the net (Bill Church)
4. 12:47 PM - Re: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out (Steve Eldredge)
5. 01:43 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Phillips, Jack)
6. 01:44 PM - Re: Some new Piet photos on the net (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 02:00 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 02:13 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Barry Davis)
9. 02:18 PM - 500 agl and spam cans (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
10. 02:23 PM - Static Port (Terry Hall)
11. 02:30 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Terry Hall)
12. 05:14 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Gordon Bowen)
13. 05:18 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Gene & Tammy)
14. 05:21 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Gordon Bowen)
15. 05:28 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Steve Glass)
16. 06:02 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight (AzevedoFlyer@aol.com)
17. 06:24 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight (Rick Holland)
18. 06:38 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Rick Holland)
19. 08:49 PM - bungees vs springs (Jeff Boatright)
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| Subject: | Fredericksburg, TX fly-out |
I know this is probably a long shot, but if there is anybody near
Fredericksburg, TX on Saturday, August 11 our company flying club (Southwest
Aero Club) is planning a fly-out and I hope to take 41CC out there for the
event. The airport there is Gillespie County, T82, and we're planning to
arrive around 8:30 AM. We'll be there for a couple of hours if anybody is
interested in seeing my Piet. I'll know more later.
The "real" airplane pilots (spam canners) were discussing weather minima for
taking off that morning and were talking about our frequent low ceilings in
the morning around here. I told them that I usually fly at 500' AGL, which
almost always puts me below the morning stratus with VFR clearances from
cloud. Silence. ;o) These guys don't seem to be happy unless they are up
there somewhere on oxygen!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | shipping an airplane |
Guys,
Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated
plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but
wondering
anyone with first-hand knowledge ?
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Some new Piet photos on the net |
Since the list is so quiet today... zzzzz
I ran across some new photos on the "world-wide interweb", over the
weekend.
It's a very nicely built Canadian Air Camper, nick-named Canadian Goose.
>From the pictures I see a few interesting features, including all wood
lift struts, cabane struts, and jury struts, and what appears to be
aluminum cladding down as far as the side stringer (not sure why).
Take a look for yourself. Here's the link:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=pietenpol&s=rec
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Fredericksburg, TX fly-out |
Reminds me of my flight Saturday morning. I was having a blast in a 20mph headwind
right down the runway. Take-off was really short and climb seemed better
than normal - really you just climb away without covering much ground. Anyway
I couldn't help myself and after about 8 touch and goes I washed the plane
and went for a drying run. A DA20 Katana taxied out behind me and started their
run-up. I took off, climbed to 400' did an abbreviated pattern and was back
on final as they approached the runway. They stopped short and waited for me
to land. Total flight time was less than 90 seconds, easily within a 1/2 mile
circle.
I imagined a cockpit comment that went something like this:
Student: "Wher'd he come from? Didn't he *just* take-off?"
Instructor: "Yeah, wish we had a pietenpol...."
Steve e.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out
I know this is probably a long shot, but if there is anybody near
Fredericksburg, TX on Saturday, August 11 our company flying club (Southwest
Aero Club) is planning a fly-out and I hope to take 41CC out there for the
event. The airport there is Gillespie County, T82, and we're planning to
arrive around 8:30 AM. We'll be there for a couple of hours if anybody is
interested in seeing my Piet. I'll know more later.
The "real" airplane pilots (spam canners) were discussing weather minima for
taking off that morning and were talking about our frequent low ceilings in
the morning around here. I told them that I usually fly at 500' AGL, which
almost always puts me below the morning stratus with VFR clearances from
cloud. Silence. ;o) These guys don't seem to be happy unless they are up
there somewhere on oxygen!
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | shipping an airplane |
Why not just fly it over? I'll bet Corky can give you a lead on where
to buy Ping Pong balls in bulk.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
Guys,
Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated
plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but
wondering
anyone with first-hand knowledge ?
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Some new Piet photos on the net |
Nice FIND, Bill ! Enjoyed looking at some of those unique Piets.
Rather nice looking in many respects.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | shipping an airplane |
either ping pong balls or inflated condoms like that one ultralight
overwater guy did.
Now for some long range tank ideas. Gosh I hope I still have the
Fisherman's e-mail address.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: shipping an airplane |
shipping an airplaneWe got a Yak and an SP-95 from England a few years
ago and they came both packed inside a shipping container. I don't think
the shipping was all that outrageous. They dropped the container at the
grass strip and came back a couple of days later to pick it up. All we
did was put out a call to the EAA Chapter and about a dozen guys showed
up within a couple of hours armed with crowbars. We had them out in 3
hours. I'm sure you could do this in reverse.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
Guys,
Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated
plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but
wondering
anyone with first-hand knowledge ?
Mike C.
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| Subject: | 500 agl and spam cans |
Oscar,
Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who
were
slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I
believe) the next day.
We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was
to fly over to the east side
of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a
18 mile trip, 9 of which are
over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the
only one to answer all three
questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a
radio, gps, or are willing to
fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh
with a sectional chart, no radio,
and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a
charm. The other pilots in the
room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy
complained because EAA wasn't
going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good
amount of fuel and this is when
fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two
successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5
hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck
the radio though it is nice for
listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels
and AWOS stations but the gps is
to die for. (well, hopefully not)
Mike C.
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Hello all,
My Sky Scout plans do not include a location for a static port, but I
read somewhere that one is recommended for an open cockpit airplane.
What has been your experiences with your Piets? I'm thinking about
installing it port side aft near the horizontal stabilizer (if
required).
Terry Hall
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans |
One of the reasons that a Piet appeals to me in my middle age is that I
cannot install a glass cockpit in it. Wind in your face, bugs in your
teeth, silk scarf flapping in the breeze, and your only sectional chart
being sucked out the cockpit. I do however must confess that my GPS is "to
die for." Terry Hall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans
> <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who
> were
> slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I
> believe) the next day.
> We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was
> to fly over to the east side
> of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a
> 18 mile trip, 9 of which are
> over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the
> only one to answer all three
> questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a
> radio, gps, or are willing to
> fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh
> with a sectional chart, no radio,
> and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a
> charm. The other pilots in the
> room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy
> complained because EAA wasn't
> going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good
> amount of fuel and this is when
> fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two
> successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5
> hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck
> the radio though it is nice for
> listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels
> and AWOS stations but the gps is
> to die for. (well, hopefully not)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: shipping an airplane |
shipping an airplaneSeems to me, a year or so ago, Corky was asking
about the floation abilities of old milk jugs. Think he was planning a
trip across the Gulf. Or maybe it was the possibility of going down in
a Lou see anna by ewe (I think that means a swamp or something, ain't
got none in Alaska). Thinkin' he wanted to keep his feet dry and butt
away from gators.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
either ping pong balls or inflated condoms like that one ultralight
overwater guy did.
Now for some long range tank ideas. Gosh I hope I still have the
Fisherman's e-mail address.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: shipping an airplane |
shipping an airplaneMike,
I shipped a plane from Anchorage Alaska to Paris Tennessee a few years
ago with good results. I paid a packing firm $500 dollars to pack the
plane, which was surrounded with bubble wrap, in a wooden box. I was
there to take the plane apart as they packed it. It was then shipped by
truck down the Alcan Hwy and arrived more or less safely in Tennessee.
As someone suggested, I had my EAA group there to help open the box and
put the plane back together. The only problem I encountered was that
right on the wood box where it read "do not use forks here" a fork lift
driver put his (or her's) forks thru the box into a wing. The insurance
company only paid 10% of the damage, because the plane was "used".
Having done it once, I would do it again without a second thought. No
worse than a moose eating the fabric off the tail while the pilot is off
moose hunting (a story for another time).
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
Guys,
Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated
plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but
wondering
anyone with first-hand knowledge ?
Mike C.
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7/14/2007 3:36 PM
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| Subject: | Re: shipping an airplane |
shipping an airplaneFew year ago, it cost about $4K to rent an entire
20' shipping container to go to Europe from Chicago. All you have to do
is call a International Freight forwarding agent (listed in yellow pages
of every major city) to make arrangements for container drop off of
container and they'll help you fill out the shipping and export
documents. They give you about 3 working days at your site to pack your
container without excess fees. A forwarder costs bout $150 on top of
the shipping company fees. They also arrange for insurance, customs
papers and carrier on the other end of the shipment. Pretty simple,
it's their job. Your task is to pack the container enough to allow for
lots of ship movement and possible damage to your airplane. I would
never consider shipping via lose freight, they containerize almost
everything now, and you'd be trusting the container consolidators with
packing your plane with other stuff, not a good idea.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
We got a Yak and an SP-95 from England a few years ago and they came
both packed inside a shipping container. I don't think the shipping was
all that outrageous. They dropped the container at the grass strip and
came back a couple of days later to pick it up. All we did was put out a
call to the EAA Chapter and about a dozen guys showed up within a couple
of hours armed with crowbars. We had them out in 3 hours. I'm sure you
could do this in reverse.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
Guys,
Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated
plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but
wondering
anyone with first-hand knowledge ?
Mike C.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | shipping an airplane |
Hi Mike
I would think you would be best to put it in a container. If it is a 2
piece wing you could proabably get it in a 20 footer. There are agents that
can arrange the pickup and delivery to get it to a container port. If speed
is more important than money you could air ship with the big russian
transport plane.
Steve in Maine
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:40:08 -0500
>
>
>Guys,
>
>Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated
>plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but
>wondering
>anyone with first-hand knowledge ?
>
>Mike C.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight |
Guys,
I am new to the list and hopefully entitled to ask some dumb questions.
For example, where would be the nearest place that I could go (Home base is
Ann Arbor - MI) and fly a Pietenpol?
I own a PA-20 (Pacer, Short Wing, Taildragger) and have about 250h in her. I
am considering building something and an Aircamper seems just right. Would
like to feel if the Piet and I would get along fine. Assuming we do, is there
any preference for plan sources and, possibly, advantages in building a steel
tube fuselage?
Thanks,
Miguel Azevedo
N8714D
PA22/20-150
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight |
You have four days to get yourself to Broadhead WI. Friday and Saturday the
20th and 21st, Pietenpol heaven and more.
Rick
On 7/16/07, AzevedoFlyer@aol.com <AzevedoFlyer@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
> I am new to the list and hopefully entitled to ask some dumb questions.
> For example, where would be the nearest place that I could go (Home base
> is Ann Arbor - MI) and fly a Pietenpol?
> I own a PA-20 (Pacer, Short Wing, Taildragger) and have about 250h in her.
> I am considering building something and an Aircamper seems just right. Would
> like to feel if the Piet and I would get along fine. Assuming we do, is
> there any preference for plan sources and, possibly, advantages in building
> a steel tube fuselage?
> Thanks,
> Miguel Azevedo
> N8714D
> PA22/20-150
>
>
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>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans |
I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but I
am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument panel
so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose wires
running all over the place.
http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp
Rick
On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who
> were
> slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I
> believe) the next day.
> We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was
> to fly over to the east side
> of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a
> 18 mile trip, 9 of which are
> over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the
> only one to answer all three
> questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a
> radio, gps, or are willing to
> fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh
> with a sectional chart, no radio,
> and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a
> charm. The other pilots in the
> room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy
> complained because EAA wasn't
> going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good
> amount of fuel and this is when
> fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two
> successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5
> hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck
> the radio though it is nice for
> listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels
> and AWOS stations but the gps is
> to die for. (well, hopefully not)
>
> Mike C.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | bungees vs springs |
Pieters,
We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with
springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs
that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with
the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly
straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a
crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the
spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in.
Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses?
Thanks,
Jeff
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