---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/16/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:48 AM - Fredericksburg, TX fly-out (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 12:42 PM - shipping an airplane (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 3. 12:44 PM - Some new Piet photos on the net (Bill Church) 4. 12:47 PM - Re: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out (Steve Eldredge) 5. 01:43 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Phillips, Jack) 6. 01:44 PM - Re: Some new Piet photos on the net (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 7. 02:00 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 8. 02:13 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Barry Davis) 9. 02:18 PM - 500 agl and spam cans (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 10. 02:23 PM - Static Port (Terry Hall) 11. 02:30 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Terry Hall) 12. 05:14 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Gordon Bowen) 13. 05:18 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Gene & Tammy) 14. 05:21 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Gordon Bowen) 15. 05:28 PM - Re: shipping an airplane (Steve Glass) 16. 06:02 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight (AzevedoFlyer@aol.com) 17. 06:24 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight (Rick Holland) 18. 06:38 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Rick Holland) 19. 08:49 PM - bungees vs springs (Jeff Boatright) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:30 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out I know this is probably a long shot, but if there is anybody near Fredericksburg, TX on Saturday, August 11 our company flying club (Southwest Aero Club) is planning a fly-out and I hope to take 41CC out there for the event. The airport there is Gillespie County, T82, and we're planning to arrive around 8:30 AM. We'll be there for a couple of hours if anybody is interested in seeing my Piet. I'll know more later. The "real" airplane pilots (spam canners) were discussing weather minima for taking off that morning and were talking about our frequent low ceilings in the morning around here. I told them that I usually fly at 500' AGL, which almost always puts me below the morning stratus with VFR clearances from cloud. Silence. ;o) These guys don't seem to be happy unless they are up there somewhere on oxygen! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Some new Piet photos on the net From: "Bill Church" Since the list is so quiet today... zzzzz I ran across some new photos on the "world-wide interweb", over the weekend. It's a very nicely built Canadian Air Camper, nick-named Canadian Goose. >From the pictures I see a few interesting features, including all wood lift struts, cabane struts, and jury struts, and what appears to be aluminum cladding down as far as the side stringer (not sure why). Take a look for yourself. Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=pietenpol&s=rec Bill C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:10 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out From: "Steve Eldredge" Reminds me of my flight Saturday morning. I was having a blast in a 20mph headwind right down the runway. Take-off was really short and climb seemed better than normal - really you just climb away without covering much ground. Anyway I couldn't help myself and after about 8 touch and goes I washed the plane and went for a drying run. A DA20 Katana taxied out behind me and started their run-up. I took off, climbed to 400' did an abbreviated pattern and was back on final as they approached the runway. They stopped short and waited for me to land. Total flight time was less than 90 seconds, easily within a 1/2 mile circle. I imagined a cockpit comment that went something like this: Student: "Wher'd he come from? Didn't he *just* take-off?" Instructor: "Yeah, wish we had a pietenpol...." Steve e. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fredericksburg, TX fly-out I know this is probably a long shot, but if there is anybody near Fredericksburg, TX on Saturday, August 11 our company flying club (Southwest Aero Club) is planning a fly-out and I hope to take 41CC out there for the event. The airport there is Gillespie County, T82, and we're planning to arrive around 8:30 AM. We'll be there for a couple of hours if anybody is interested in seeing my Piet. I'll know more later. The "real" airplane pilots (spam canners) were discussing weather minima for taking off that morning and were talking about our frequent low ceilings in the morning around here. I told them that I usually fly at 500' AGL, which almost always puts me below the morning stratus with VFR clearances from cloud. Silence. ;o) These guys don't seem to be happy unless they are up there somewhere on oxygen! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:25 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane From: "Phillips, Jack" Why not just fly it over? I'll bet Corky can give you a lead on where to buy Ping Pong balls in bulk. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:59 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Some new Piet photos on the net From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Nice FIND, Bill ! Enjoyed looking at some of those unique Piets. Rather nice looking in many respects. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:23 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" either ping pong balls or inflated condoms like that one ultralight overwater guy did. Now for some long range tank ideas. Gosh I hope I still have the Fisherman's e-mail address. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:29 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane shipping an airplaneWe got a Yak and an SP-95 from England a few years ago and they came both packed inside a shipping container. I don't think the shipping was all that outrageous. They dropped the container at the grass strip and came back a couple of days later to pick it up. All we did was put out a call to the EAA Chapter and about a dozen guys showed up within a couple of hours armed with crowbars. We had them out in 3 hours. I'm sure you could do this in reverse. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Oscar, Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who were slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I believe) the next day. We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was to fly over to the east side of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a 18 mile trip, 9 of which are over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the only one to answer all three questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a radio, gps, or are willing to fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh with a sectional chart, no radio, and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a charm. The other pilots in the room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy complained because EAA wasn't going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good amount of fuel and this is when fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck the radio though it is nice for listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels and AWOS stations but the gps is to die for. (well, hopefully not) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:15 PM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Static Port Hello all, My Sky Scout plans do not include a location for a static port, but I read somewhere that one is recommended for an open cockpit airplane. What has been your experiences with your Piets? I'm thinking about installing it port side aft near the horizontal stabilizer (if required). Terry Hall ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:29 PM PST US From: "Terry Hall" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans One of the reasons that a Piet appeals to me in my middle age is that I cannot install a glass cockpit in it. Wind in your face, bugs in your teeth, silk scarf flapping in the breeze, and your only sectional chart being sucked out the cockpit. I do however must confess that my GPS is "to die for." Terry Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans > > > > Oscar, > > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who > were > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I > believe) the next day. > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was > to fly over to the east side > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the > only one to answer all three > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a > radio, gps, or are willing to > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh > with a sectional chart, no radio, > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a > charm. The other pilots in the > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy > complained because EAA wasn't > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good > amount of fuel and this is when > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck > the radio though it is nice for > listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels > and AWOS stations but the gps is > to die for. (well, hopefully not) > > Mike C. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:12 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane shipping an airplaneSeems to me, a year or so ago, Corky was asking about the floation abilities of old milk jugs. Think he was planning a trip across the Gulf. Or maybe it was the possibility of going down in a Lou see anna by ewe (I think that means a swamp or something, ain't got none in Alaska). Thinkin' he wanted to keep his feet dry and butt away from gators. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane either ping pong balls or inflated condoms like that one ultralight overwater guy did. Now for some long range tank ideas. Gosh I hope I still have the Fisherman's e-mail address. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:46 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane shipping an airplaneMike, I shipped a plane from Anchorage Alaska to Paris Tennessee a few years ago with good results. I paid a packing firm $500 dollars to pack the plane, which was surrounded with bubble wrap, in a wooden box. I was there to take the plane apart as they packed it. It was then shipped by truck down the Alcan Hwy and arrived more or less safely in Tennessee. As someone suggested, I had my EAA group there to help open the box and put the plane back together. The only problem I encountered was that right on the wood box where it read "do not use forks here" a fork lift driver put his (or her's) forks thru the box into a wing. The insurance company only paid 10% of the damage, because the plane was "used". Having done it once, I would do it again without a second thought. No worse than a moose eating the fabric off the tail while the pilot is off moose hunting (a story for another time). Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/14/2007 3:36 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:22 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane shipping an airplaneFew year ago, it cost about $4K to rent an entire 20' shipping container to go to Europe from Chicago. All you have to do is call a International Freight forwarding agent (listed in yellow pages of every major city) to make arrangements for container drop off of container and they'll help you fill out the shipping and export documents. They give you about 3 working days at your site to pack your container without excess fees. A forwarder costs bout $150 on top of the shipping company fees. They also arrange for insurance, customs papers and carrier on the other end of the shipment. Pretty simple, it's their job. Your task is to pack the container enough to allow for lots of ship movement and possible damage to your airplane. I would never consider shipping via lose freight, they containerize almost everything now, and you'd be trusting the container consolidators with packing your plane with other stuff, not a good idea. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane We got a Yak and an SP-95 from England a few years ago and they came both packed inside a shipping container. I don't think the shipping was all that outrageous. They dropped the container at the grass strip and came back a couple of days later to pick it up. All we did was put out a call to the EAA Chapter and about a dozen guys showed up within a couple of hours armed with crowbars. We had them out in 3 hours. I'm sure you could do this in reverse. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Guys, Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but wondering anyone with first-hand knowledge ? Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:58 PM PST US From: "Steve Glass" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane Hi Mike I would think you would be best to put it in a container. If it is a 2 piece wing you could proabably get it in a 20 footer. There are agents that can arrange the pickup and delivery to get it to a container port. If speed is more important than money you could air ship with the big russian transport plane. Steve in Maine >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: shipping an airplane >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:40:08 -0500 > > >Guys, > >Off topic but perhaps one of you knows. How best to ship a crated >plane overseas say to South Africa ? I would crate and secure but >wondering >anyone with first-hand knowledge ? > >Mike C. > > _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:16 PM PST US From: AzevedoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight Guys, I am new to the list and hopefully entitled to ask some dumb questions. For example, where would be the nearest place that I could go (Home base is Ann Arbor - MI) and fly a Pietenpol? I own a PA-20 (Pacer, Short Wing, Taildragger) and have about 250h in her. I am considering building something and an Aircamper seems just right. Would like to feel if the Piet and I would get along fine. Assuming we do, is there any preference for plan sources and, possibly, advantages in building a steel tube fuselage? Thanks, Miguel Azevedo N8714D PA22/20-150 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:04 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans / First flight You have four days to get yourself to Broadhead WI. Friday and Saturday the 20th and 21st, Pietenpol heaven and more. Rick On 7/16/07, AzevedoFlyer@aol.com wrote: > > Guys, > I am new to the list and hopefully entitled to ask some dumb questions. > For example, where would be the nearest place that I could go (Home base > is Ann Arbor - MI) and fly a Pietenpol? > I own a PA-20 (Pacer, Short Wing, Taildragger) and have about 250h in her. > I am considering building something and an Aircamper seems just right. Would > like to feel if the Piet and I would get along fine. Assuming we do, is > there any preference for plan sources and, possibly, advantages in building > a steel tube fuselage? > Thanks, > Miguel Azevedo > N8714D > PA22/20-150 > > > ------------------------------ > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com > . > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:42 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose wires running all over the place. http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp Rick On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > > > Oscar, > > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who > were > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I > believe) the next day. > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was > to fly over to the east side > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the > only one to answer all three > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a > radio, gps, or are willing to > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh > with a sectional chart, no radio, > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a > charm. The other pilots in the > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy > complained because EAA wasn't > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good > amount of fuel and this is when > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck > the radio though it is nice for > listening to who is doing what around airports and for the WX channels > and AWOS stations but the gps is > to die for. (well, hopefully not) > > Mike C. > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:38 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungees vs springs Pieters, We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in. Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses? 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