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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Some new Piet photos on the net (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:33 AM - thank you, Guys (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 05:52 AM - bungees vs springs (Jeff Boatright)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Static Port (Gene Rambo)
5. 06:23 AM - static port, not required (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
6. 08:36 AM - N/T: Sorry for the double post on bungees! (Jeff Boatright)
7. 11:27 AM - Re: bungees vs springs (Skip Gadd)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Gardiner Mason)
9. 01:38 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Jeff Boatright)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Static Port (Rcaprd@aol.com)
11. 02:37 PM - Re: bungees vs springs (Rcaprd@aol.com)
12. 03:04 PM - Cabanes at Brodhead (Barry Davis)
13. 03:31 PM - Re: Cabanes at Brodhead (Dave Abramson)
14. 03:31 PM - Brodhead Swap Meet (Jack T. Textor)
15. 03:35 PM - Re: Cabanes at Brodhead (Arden Adamson)
16. 04:19 PM - Re: bungees vs springs (Ryan Michals)
17. 04:30 PM - Re: Cabanes at Brodhead (Max Hegler)
18. 08:19 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Rick Holland)
19. 10:34 PM - Re: Some new Piet photos on the net (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Some new Piet photos on the net |
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp
Clif
It's a very nicely built Canadian Air Camper, nick-named Canadian
Goose.
From the pictures I see a few interesting features, including all wood
lift struts, cabane struts, and jury struts, and what appears to be
aluminum cladding down as far as the side stringer (not sure why).
Take a look for yourself. Here's the link:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=pietenpol&s=rec
Bill C.
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Good responses on my shipping question THANK you all.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | bungees vs springs |
Pieters,
We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with
springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs
that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with
the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly
straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a
crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the
spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in.
Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses?
Thanks,
Jeff
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why have a separate static system? why not just use a pitot and static
combined? The reason it is not in the plans is that it was not intended
to have an airspeed in the first place. The other option is a
Johnson-type airspeed on the strut, eliminating the problem altogether.
As for the altimeter, you are not flying IFR, it does not to be that
accurate, the airspeed either for that matter.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall<mailto:adaairport@cableone.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Static Port
Hello all,
My Sky Scout plans do not include a location for a static port, but I
read somewhere that one is recommended for an open cockpit airplane.
What has been your experiences with your Piets? I'm thinking about
installing it port side aft near the horizontal stabilizer (if
required).
Terry Hall
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| Subject: | static port, not required |
Terry,
On both my altimeter and my airspeed indicator I plugged the static port
with threaded nylon fittings (Wicks, ASSco) and drilled a tiny
hole in the fittings to allow them to measure static. Your instruments
must be covered in front with a hinged door or plywood because if left
open to breeze will read erratically with all the air swirling around in
your front cockpit and propwash. I simply ran 1/4" nylon tubing then
from my ram air to a 1/4" stainless tube sticking out of the LE of my a
rib or so outside of the upper attach fitting of my wing struts.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | N/T: Sorry for the double post on bungees! |
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| Subject: | bungees vs springs |
Jeff,
Springs are better, less to maintain and they are more at home in the
grease that always seems to be around the bottom of an airplane. When
sizing the spring you need to consider not only the gross weight of the
plane, but also the tread of the gear and vertical distance of the axle to
the L/G attach point on the lower longeron. When I widened my Piet gear
from 56" to 72" and raised the axle 6" (because of 26" spoke wheels, and I
wanted to keep the fuse bottom the same distance from the ground) we had to
increase the spring from 1300# to 1800#.
Skip
Looking at the bad weather in Illinois and Indiana, thinking we will be
driving to Brodhead this year.
> [
> We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with
> springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs
> that would normally go on a horizon.
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans |
Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the center
of my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up to Brodhead
tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans
I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet
but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my
instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the
panel with loose wires running all over the place.
http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp
Rick
On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
wrote:
(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Oscar,
Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots
who
were
slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I
believe) the next day.
We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty
was
to fly over to the east side
of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates
into a
18 mile trip, 9 of which are
over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was
the
only one to answer all three
questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not
have a
radio, gps, or are willing to
fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from
Oshkosh
with a sectional chart, no radio,
and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked
like a
charm. The other pilots in the
room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One
guy
complained because EAA wasn't
going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a
good
amount of fuel and this is when
fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on
two
successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5
hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still
chuck
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans |
I didn't know they made one for the Airmap 1000. Do you have any pix
of your installation?
>Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the
>center of my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up
>to Brodhead tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:at7000ft@gmail.com>Rick Holland
>To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans
>
>I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a
>Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to
>my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of
>the panel with loose wires running all over the place.
>
><http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp>http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp
>
>Rick
>
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I initially didn't use any static port...just did it like Mike C. with the
fitting & small hole on the back of the instrument. Flew it that way for a
while, and it worked fine. Then I added a sheet metal, butterfly hinged front
cover on the front pit - with the cover on, whenever I powered up the engine for
a run up, the ASI would read about 25 mph !! I added the tubing, and a
static port on the bottom of the pitot tube, where the lift strut attaches, out
on
the left wing.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: bungees vs springs |
This was another mod I did, after she was flying. Lots of fit & fiddle
(that's what the Brit's call it). I like the springs much, much better.
My springs are flat wound die springs that measure: 6" long, 2" dia, .280"
X .460" wire.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Cabanes at Brodhead |
Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets
I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces.
These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the
pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't.
Barry Davis
I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY -
EST.
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| Subject: | Cabanes at Brodhead |
I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead Can you ship? Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead
Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I
can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces.
These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the
pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't.
Barry Davis
I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST.
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| Subject: | Brodhead Swap Meet |
No I don't mean your partner! I have three 8' pieces of leading or
trailing edge spruce I could bring to Brodhead if anyone is interested.
Also, I would be interested in purchasing center section 4130 fittings
for a 1" spar.
Thanks, can't wait, hope everybody has safe trips!
Jack Textor
Pop-up and Black Suburban
Will have a name tag with "yellow highlighted border" signifying a list
member
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| Subject: | Cabanes at Brodhead |
Barry,
I'm interested. I'll be there Saturday.
Arden Adamson
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry Davis
Sent: Tue 7/17/2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead
Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets
I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces.
These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the
pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't.
Barry Davis
I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY -
EST.
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| Subject: | Re: bungees vs springs |
I found Chuck's review of his spring replacement, about half way down the page
at;
http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html
He sells a dvd that may include some of these mods.
Ryan
Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
Pieters,
We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with
springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs
that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with
the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly
straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a
crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the
spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in.
Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses?
Thanks,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Cabanes at Brodhead |
Barry,
I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday.
Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to
seeing everyone there...
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Davis
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead
Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few
sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces.
These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope
the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't.
Barry Davis
I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY -
EST.
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| Subject: | Re: 500 agl and spam cans |
Hello Gardiner
Yes I will be there on Friday afternoon and will be camping that night with
Mike C. and a few others, will see you there. Would like to see a picture of
your instrument panel with the AirGizmo. Just bolted the heads onto my
Corvair engine, still waiting for a few parts from William, going on nine
months, maybe he will surprise me a bring something to Broadhead for me.
Looking forward to talking to you about your Corvair engine progress
(William told me you had a little problem with the intake manifold).
Rick
On 7/17/07, Gardiner Mason <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the center of
> my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up to Brodhead
> tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans
>
> I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but
> I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument
> panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose
> wires running all over the place.
>
> http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp
>
> Rick
>
> On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> wrote:
> >
> > <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> >
> >
> > Oscar,
> >
> > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who
> >
> > were
> > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I
> > believe) the next day.
> > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was
> > to fly over to the east side
> > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a
> >
> > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are
> > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the
> > only one to answer all three
> > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a
> >
> > radio, gps, or are willing to
> > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh
> > with a sectional chart, no radio,
> > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a
> > charm. The other pilots in the
> > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy
> > complained because EAA wasn't
> > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good
> > amount of fuel and this is when
> > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two
> > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5
> > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> ObjectAge Ltd.
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Some new Piet photos on the net |
I just tried this myself. Doesn't seem to work!
So, the owner- Peter Poulin.
Place-Beauoeville, Quebec.
Registered July 19, 2005.
So those wood struts have two years on them.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp
Clif
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