---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/17/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - Re: Some new Piet photos on the net (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:33 AM - thank you, Guys (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 3. 05:52 AM - bungees vs springs (Jeff Boatright) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: Static Port (Gene Rambo) 5. 06:23 AM - static port, not required (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 6. 08:36 AM - N/T: Sorry for the double post on bungees! (Jeff Boatright) 7. 11:27 AM - Re: bungees vs springs (Skip Gadd) 8. 12:51 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Gardiner Mason) 9. 01:38 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Jeff Boatright) 10. 02:32 PM - Re: Static Port (Rcaprd@aol.com) 11. 02:37 PM - Re: bungees vs springs (Rcaprd@aol.com) 12. 03:04 PM - Cabanes at Brodhead (Barry Davis) 13. 03:31 PM - Re: Cabanes at Brodhead (Dave Abramson) 14. 03:31 PM - Brodhead Swap Meet (Jack T. Textor) 15. 03:35 PM - Re: Cabanes at Brodhead (Arden Adamson) 16. 04:19 PM - Re: bungees vs springs (Ryan Michals) 17. 04:30 PM - Re: Cabanes at Brodhead (Max Hegler) 18. 08:19 PM - Re: 500 agl and spam cans (Rick Holland) 19. 10:34 PM - Re: Some new Piet photos on the net (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:51 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Some new Piet photos on the net http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp Clif It's a very nicely built Canadian Air Camper, nick-named Canadian Goose. From the pictures I see a few interesting features, including all wood lift struts, cabane struts, and jury struts, and what appears to be aluminum cladding down as far as the side stringer (not sure why). Take a look for yourself. Here's the link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=pietenpol&s=rec Bill C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/16/2007 5:42 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: thank you, Guys From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Good responses on my shipping question THANK you all. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:26 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: bungees vs springs Pieters, We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in. Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses? Thanks, Jeff ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:47 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Static Port why have a separate static system? why not just use a pitot and static combined? The reason it is not in the plans is that it was not intended to have an airspeed in the first place. The other option is a Johnson-type airspeed on the strut, eliminating the problem altogether. As for the altimeter, you are not flying IFR, it does not to be that accurate, the airspeed either for that matter. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Hall To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Static Port Hello all, My Sky Scout plans do not include a location for a static port, but I read somewhere that one is recommended for an open cockpit airplane. What has been your experiences with your Piets? I'm thinking about installing it port side aft near the horizontal stabilizer (if required). Terry Hall http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: static port, not required From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Terry, On both my altimeter and my airspeed indicator I plugged the static port with threaded nylon fittings (Wicks, ASSco) and drilled a tiny hole in the fittings to allow them to measure static. Your instruments must be covered in front with a hinged door or plywood because if left open to breeze will read erratically with all the air swirling around in your front cockpit and propwash. I simply ran 1/4" nylon tubing then from my ram air to a 1/4" stainless tube sticking out of the LE of my a rib or so outside of the upper attach fitting of my wing struts. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:01 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: N/T: Sorry for the double post on bungees! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:30 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: bungees vs springs Jeff, Springs are better, less to maintain and they are more at home in the grease that always seems to be around the bottom of an airplane. When sizing the spring you need to consider not only the gross weight of the plane, but also the tread of the gear and vertical distance of the axle to the L/G attach point on the lower longeron. When I widened my Piet gear from 56" to 72" and raised the axle 6" (because of 26" spoke wheels, and I wanted to keep the fuse bottom the same distance from the ground) we had to increase the spring from 1300# to 1800#. Skip Looking at the bad weather in Illinois and Indiana, thinking we will be driving to Brodhead this year. > [ > We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with > springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs > that would normally go on a horizon. >> Thanks, >> Jeff > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:03 PM PST US From: "Gardiner Mason" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the center of my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up to Brodhead tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose wires running all over the place. http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp Rick On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Oscar, Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who were slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I believe) the next day. We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was to fly over to the east side of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a 18 mile trip, 9 of which are over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the only one to answer all three questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a radio, gps, or are willing to fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh with a sectional chart, no radio, and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a charm. The other pilots in the room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy complained because EAA wasn't going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good amount of fuel and this is when fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:24 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans I didn't know they made one for the Airmap 1000. Do you have any pix of your installation? >Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the >center of my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up >to Brodhead tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rick Holland >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans > >I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a >Piet but I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to >my instrument panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of >the panel with loose wires running all over the place. > >http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp > >Rick > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:57 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Static Port I initially didn't use any static port...just did it like Mike C. with the fitting & small hole on the back of the instrument. Flew it that way for a while, and it worked fine. Then I added a sheet metal, butterfly hinged front cover on the front pit - with the cover on, whenever I powered up the engine for a run up, the ASI would read about 25 mph !! I added the tubing, and a static port on the bottom of the pitot tube, where the lift strut attaches, out on the left wing. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:44 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungees vs springs This was another mod I did, after she was flying. Lots of fit & fiddle (that's what the Brit's call it). I like the springs much, much better. My springs are flat wound die springs that measure: 6" long, 2" dia, .280" X .460" wire. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:53 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:09 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead I will buy a set, but I will not be at Broadhead Can you ship? Cheers, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Swap Meet From: "Jack T. Textor" No I don't mean your partner! I have three 8' pieces of leading or trailing edge spruce I could bring to Brodhead if anyone is interested. Also, I would be interested in purchasing center section 4130 fittings for a 1" spar. Thanks, can't wait, hope everybody has safe trips! Jack Textor Pop-up and Black Suburban Will have a name tag with "yellow highlighted border" signifying a list member ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:57 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead From: "Arden Adamson" Barry, I'm interested. I'll be there Saturday. Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Barry Davis Sent: Tue 7/17/2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:53 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bungees vs springs I found Chuck's review of his spring replacement, about half way down the page at; http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.html He sells a dvd that may include some of these mods. Ryan Jeff Boatright wrote: Pieters, We are thinking of replacing the bungee system on our Piet with springs. The bungees are shot and we have been given a set of springs that would normally go on a horizon. We played around tonight with the springs and the bungee crossmembers and it seems like a fairly straightforward exchange using a welding jig to hold the legs of a crossmember so that the bungee connections can be cut out and the spring (with already-assembled stub legs) welded in. Thoughts? Pluses? Minuses? Thanks, Jeff --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:50 PM PST US From: "Max Hegler" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Barry, I would like a set. I will arrive at Brodhead around noon on Saturday. Not sure I will camp there or get a hotel nearby. Looking forward to seeing everyone there... Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabanes at Brodhead Does anyone need any aluminum cabane strut material? We have a few sets I can sell for $20 for 4 Pieces. These are 28" long and 3" wide. They take a 1" square insert. I hope the pictures come through, but can email you direct if they don't. Barry Davis I WILL BRING TO BRODHEAD IF YOU LET ME KNOW BRFORE NOON ON THURSDAY - EST. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:35 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans Hello Gardiner Yes I will be there on Friday afternoon and will be camping that night with Mike C. and a few others, will see you there. Would like to see a picture of your instrument panel with the AirGizmo. Just bolted the heads onto my Corvair engine, still waiting for a few parts from William, going on nine months, maybe he will surprise me a bring something to Broadhead for me. Looking forward to talking to you about your Corvair engine progress (William told me you had a little problem with the intake manifold). Rick On 7/17/07, Gardiner Mason wrote: > > Rick, I put a gizmo thingy dock for my airmap 1000 right in the center of > my panel. It looks good and convenient. I am driving up to Brodhead > tomorrow and camping out. Are you going? Gardiner. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2007 9:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: 500 agl and spam cans > > I agree about the GPS Mike, I know it is kind of high tech for a Piet but > I am thinking about adding one of those AirGizmo things to my instrument > panel so I don't have to it hang one off the bottom of the panel with loose > wires running all over the place. > > http://www.airgizmos.com/prod/gpsmount/index.asp > > Rick > > On 7/16/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oscar, > > > > Your story reminds me of when I was in a room full of Oshkosh pilots who > > > > were > > slated to be photographed by EAA's Photo One (a Cessna Centurion I > > believe) the next day. > > We were all briefed on our time slots, where to be, etc. Our duty was > > to fly over to the east side > > of Lake Winnebago to an airport in New Holstein. That translates into a > > > > 18 mile trip, 9 of which are > > over water. The pilot of Photo One asked three questions and I was the > > only one to answer all three > > questions with yes's. "is there anyone in this room who does not have a > > > > radio, gps, or are willing to > > fly over Lake Winnebago ? In 1998 and 1999 I flew to and from Oshkosh > > with a sectional chart, no radio, > > and shot the no-radio portion of the arrival NOTAM and it worked like a > > charm. The other pilots in the > > room looked at me like I had VD, Aids, and leprosy combined. One guy > > complained because EAA wasn't > > going to fill his gas tanks in his plane that evidently consumed a good > > amount of fuel and this is when > > fuel was still reasonable. Since 1999 I have treated myself (on two > > successive birthdays) to an Icom A-5 > > hand-held radio and a Garmin Pilot III gps unit. You can still chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:48 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Some new Piet photos on the net I just tried this myself. Doesn't seem to work! So, the owner- Peter Poulin. Place-Beauoeville, Quebec. Registered July 19, 2005. So those wood struts have two years on them. http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/activepages/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/current.asp Clif ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.