---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/02/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:04 AM - Re: Tail Post (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 2. 08:12 AM - Re: Tail Post (Steve Eldredge) 3. 10:05 AM - Re:Re: Tail Post (Ryan Michals) 4. 11:03 AM - Magnetic Rib Clamping (kb2qqm) 5. 11:41 AM - Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 6. 12:33 PM - Re: Moving a project (Skip Gadd) 7. 04:34 PM - Re: Tail Post (Ryan Michals) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:28 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. John Recine http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post From: Steve Eldredge I simply used one piece of wood for the tail post. Glued it in when I brought the sides together. I remember using 8" wood clamps on the top and bottom longerons to draw them together. The wood clamps are infinitely adjustable at any angle. Making two tailposts line up seems like lots of extra work. Steve E. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. John Recine ________________________________ .. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:08 AM PST US Subject: Re:Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post From: "Ryan Michals" Great idea. ------Original Message------ From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. John Recine http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magnetic Rib Clamping From: "kb2qqm" I was at Airventure this year, and was watching a gentleman make a wooden rib. I have seen allot of others building ribs and then using all sorts of clamps to hold the gussets in place while glueing. Like intricate clamps to pvc pipe...to all sorts of clamping devices. The gentleman I spoke to said I might try using countersunk Neodyium magnets that sandwich the gussets and joints to be glued together, so I ordered some today. I plan on countersinking them into my Rib plans board, flush with the top.. I finished my rib board yesterday,but will have to redoo it once the magnets arrive. Has anyone else done this..? I want to spend more time building ribs rather than clamping devices. Here is the link, I found them at.. I only bought the 3 lb pull, but might have to get a heavier ones. http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/SearchResult-CategoryID-33.html Greg Heath Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127200#127200 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_pietenpol_967_207.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:15 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magnetic Rib Clamping Greg, Please post your set-up and how it works for the rest of the list members...take many photos. Ken H Fargo, ND kb2qqm wrote: I was at Airventure this year, and was watching a gentleman make a wooden rib. I have seen allot of others building ribs and then using all sorts of clamps to hold the gussets in place while glueing. Like intricate clamps to pvc pipe...to all sorts of clamping devices. The gentleman I spoke to said I might try using countersunk Neodyium magnets that sandwich the gussets and joints to be glued together, so I ordered some today. I plan on countersinking them into my Rib plans board, flush with the top.. I finished my rib board yesterday,but will have to redoo it once the magnets arrive. Has anyone else done this..? I want to spend more time building ribs rather than clamping devices. Here is the link, I found them at.. I only bought the 3 lb pull, but might have to get a heavier ones. http://www.rare-earth-magnets.com/SearchResult-CategoryID-33.html Greg Heath Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127200#127200 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_jig_pietenpol_967_207.jpg Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:14 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moving a project We used a converted boat trailer. Worked fine, but the wheels were so far back we almost had a mishap when we tried to load the plane engine first. Dick came up with the idea for the A-frame for the wings, that worked really well. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil Thanks to some great helpers at Brodhead, we assembled my Piet out of the trailer, in just over an hour, including the tail. My tail was also too wide to go in. I built a carpeted pallet to hold it. I padded the walls and stood wings up, leading edge down. Make sure there are plenty of places to tie off to. Maybe Skip Gadd can weigh in on trailing across country with a flat bed trailer, he did that last year. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gow I've made a deal on a project in New Mexico. Now I need to get it to the big town of Midland Ontario. I thought perhaps I could ride my motorcycle and bring them both back in a Uhaul but a Piet is is quit long. (200 inches including mount by the plans) and would require a huge truck. Any clever ideas? Does any one know what a container might cost? Bob ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:44 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Thanks everyone. Ryan do not archive Steve Eldredge wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} I simply used one piece of wood for the tail post. Glued it in when I brought the sides together. I remember using 8 wood clamps on the top and bottom longerons to draw them together. The wood clamps are infinitely adjustable at any angle. Making two tailposts line up seems like lots of extra work. Steve E. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail Post Not to much different than the way I did it, however when I brought the joint together they needed additional adjustment and fine tuning. I lightly clamped a file between both halves and by filing between the two mating surfaces I was able to create a matched joint at the top and bottom of the tail post. Following that they mated up pretty well. The file acted like a straight edge between the mating surfaces and removed the same amount of material from both sides at the same time. I was not at all satisfied with the mating of the surfaces following the first set of cuts and was forced to devise a method that would provide a straighter consistent angle to glue. Just a little trick improved the cuts to match up better and with less guess work in the trial and error category of experience. 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