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1. 06:03 AM - Corvair cowling (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 06:11 AM - cruising at 100 MPH (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: cruising at 100 MPH (Phillips, Jack)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: New to group...here's my delima (Gene Rambo)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Yep, another wing question.. (kb2qqm)
6. 07:22 AM - Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping (kb2qqm)
7. 07:22 AM - thanks for tailwheel suggestions (Douwe Blumberg)
8. 07:38 AM - Re: New to group...here's my delima (zaggy)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: cruising at 100 MPH (Tim Willis)
10. 10:23 AM - Bakeng Deuce (Tim Willis)
11. 12:16 PM - Re: Yep, another wing question.. (Glenn Thomas)
12. 12:25 PM - Re: New to group...here's my delima (Ben Charvet)
13. 12:39 PM - Re: Dick N's cool Piet (wjnorris)
14. 12:39 PM - Re: New to group...here's my delima (Phillips, Jack)
15. 12:51 PM - Alum. thickness (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
16. 12:57 PM - Re: Alum. thickness (Phillips, Jack)
17. 01:10 PM - speed and time (Jeff Boatright)
18. 01:23 PM - Re: Alum. thickness (HelsperSew@aol.com)
19. 01:48 PM - Re: Alum. thickness (Phillips, Jack)
20. 03:28 PM - Re: Alum. thickness (Rick Holland)
21. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Yep, another wing question.. (Roman Bukolt)
22. 03:39 PM - Re: Corvair cowling (Tom Stinemetze)
23. 05:44 PM - Re: cruising at 100 MPH (Gordon Bowen)
24. 06:52 PM - Re: New to group...here's my delima (Graham Hansen)
25. 06:59 PM - Re: Corvair cowling (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
26. 07:12 PM - Re: Alum. thickness (Gene Rambo)
27. 07:12 PM - Re: New to group...here's my delima (zaggy)
28. 07:18 PM - Re: cruising at 100 MPH (zaggy)
29. 07:20 PM - Re: speed and time (zaggy)
30. 07:22 PM - Re: Bakeng Deuce (zaggy)
31. 11:32 PM - Re: Re: Yep, another wing question.. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
32. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping (Clif Dawson)
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If you don't mind using a spinner and like the pointy nose look, you can
build a cowling like William Wynne had on his Piet very easily. Only the
top part and nose bowl are curved (fiberglass layup; easy)- the rest is flat
pieces with bends or piano hinges. And you don't have to make your own
spinner; you can buy one from William. Pictures here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/WWPiet.html
Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | cruising at 100 MPH |
Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight
experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like 65-80
MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at speeds
higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what that means.
I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of times.
It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't feel
like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at 100 MPH,
aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy trying to
operate it there.
Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet" that
will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in one. Better
yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in one, not just
around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be enough).
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | cruising at 100 MPH |
Well put, Oscar.
I would be very concerned with trying to cruise at 100 mph in a
Pietenpol. The design is so inherently "draggy" that I would expect it
to require in excess of 150 hp to get it to that kind of speed. A
Pietenpol does not have significantly less drag than most biplanes, and
few of them will cruise over 100 mph with less than 150 hp. Nor will a
Super Cub. A bigger engine means more weight, and a bigger gas tank
(again more weight) and this change leads to that change, etc., etc.
The design of the wing is such that the drag wires will see large loads
at speeds over 100 mph. Most planes have their drag wires and anti-drag
wires arranged so that the angle between the drag wires and the spars is
approximately 45 degrees. The Pietenpol has exceptionally long bays
between the compression struts and the angle between the wires and the
spars is closer to 25 degrees (I don't have my plans handy to verify the
exact angle). That causes two problems - because the bays are long,
each drag wire is carrying the drag of a longer section of spar, and
because the angle is shallow, the tensile load on the wire is increased.
Maybe the Riblett design has a different arangement of the
drag/anti-drag wires. I haven't seen the design of that wing.
I agree with your comments about speed in the Piet, Oscar. I've had
mine over 90 a couple of times and while it wasn't unsafe, the plane
just didn't feel right at that speed. And with the way a Pietenpol
bounces around in turbulence, I would not be comfortable flying it that
fast in rough air, even if I had an engine that could drag it through
the air at those speeds.
I would be curious to see what kind of fairings and cowlings could be
added to streamline a Piet. All the external bracing wires would have
to be made of streamlined wire, of course, or replaced with streamlined
struts. A bubble canopy would help, as well as a fully cowled engine.
In the end, I think you would have more of a Pober Super Ace or a Bakeng
Duece.
Jack Phillips
Enjoying "Low and Slow" in my Pietenpol
If I want to fly High and Fast, I take the RV4
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
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Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight
experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like
65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at
speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what
that means.
I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of
times.
It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't
feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at
100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy
trying to operate it there.
Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet"
that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in
one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in
one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be
enough).
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: New to group...here's my delima |
Building anything in that amount of time is incredibly ambitious. A
Pietenpol is a a very good airplane for the vintage look (and a great
airplane to boot). It is a simple aircraft to build, but time
consuming. I would not plan on using that engine on it, however, or on
"cleaning it up", you'll only add weight for no increase in performance.
It would meet most of your needs, but if you are 220#, your pax had
better be slight. Also, no room for baggage in a Piet.
For speed of build, I'd look to a parasol wing aircraft with a steel
tube fuselage, some thing like a Bakeing Deuce (sp?) with a 65 hp
Continental. That would carry two with baggage, and can be made to have
more of a vintage look. Also speeds up certification time to have a
certified engine and prop.
Something like a Hatz would be great, but the biplane adds expense and
time.
Gene
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From: zaggy<mailto:eahs.execdir@interbaun.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to group...here's my delima
<eahs.execdir@interbaun.com<mailto:eahs.execdir@interbaun.com>>
Hi everyone, new to the group and seeking some advice from those that
have built and are flying.
2009 is the 100th anniversary fo flight in Canada.
There is a coast to coast tour of "Antique and Vintage" aircraft that
will fly from Comox, British Columbia to Baddeck, Nova Scotia (the home
of the first flight in Canada)through the summer of 2009. The tour is
stopping at every museum that is a member of the "Canadian Aeronautical
Preservation Association"(including our museum.
I've decided I would like to take part in the full tour with my
daughter, seems to me it's one of those "life" moments and I would like
to take advantage of it.
The problem....what to build to fly in it?
-The engine I have, built it for an aircraft I was partners in,
partner had an accident, 1.6L 100hp and it's a known quantity. Swings a
70" 3 blade prop to 2750rpm no sweat. Reliable with a little over 100hrs
on it.
-Airframe?
2 full size adult seating(I'm 6"2", 220lbs) with dual controls
Small amount of baggage (couple overnight bags)
100mph cruise
Handle off field landings well
3-400 mile range plus 1hr reserve
Easy to build
Vintage look
Top of my list, that I have done a pile of resarch on:
- Heavily cleaned up Pietenpol
(raised turtle deck, fairings every where, tight cowl, wheel pants)
Thinking of the Riblett airfoil
- 2 seat version of the Fly Baby (Plans now availabile)
(cleaned up raised deck, wheel pants etc)
I have access to full metal and wood working tools and a few
experienced types to help out.
Thoughts, suggestions?
Tom H
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| Subject: | Re: Yep, another wing question.. |
thanks for the input. I have checked my plans book and sheets and all I see are
drawings for a 1 inch spar. The full size rib plan also has the 1" spar. Are
there specific drawings/plans for the 3/4" spars ? Am I missing a plan sheet
?
I have the full size rib template mounted under plexi-glass, and dread re-doing
it, but if there is a drawing for it, it would be easier to re-do the jig now,
and save gobs of time later.
I also saw the idea for the 1/16" rib gussets fabricated out of 2 & 1/2" circles
cut in half. Instead of the individual pre-cut gussets. Which would save allot
of time, except for the few that are needed cut to size around the spars.
A question on the wood for the gussets. I see the aircraft plywood at Aircraft
Spruce. Cha-Ching ! $100+ something dollars..
Is it possible to use marine grade plywood, or something cheaper in price but with
the same strength? What are my options?
I definately want quality, as I don't want to hear "crack" at 2000 AGL.
Greg [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping |
I drilled out (countersunk) and mounted the 1/2" magnets on the rib template yesterday.
I should have purchased the bigger size magnets, the ones with the one inch radius.
I found out that a 1/2" magnet only starts pulling strongly at
1/4 " height. The 1" magnets (6 pound pull) would start pulling harder at about
1/2" ( my guess). It's not a total loss though. I did learn something.
I also learned that those magnets are very very brittle. Screwing them down to
the board, I broke 6 of them. I will post some of my pics soon.
Greg
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| Subject: | thanks for tailwheel suggestions |
Thanks all for your tailwheel suggestions. As always I appreciate you
guys stopping to take the time and response. It's what makes this group
so great.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: New to group...here's my delima |
Thanks so much for the input.
Having read everything I can I am at the point where I need the real world experience
before cutting wood.
I am concerned on build time, but have several experienced friends diving in to
help me...but still need to keep it simple.
kb2qqm...Hatz is a nice plane but the build time is too much for the time availabile.
Timothy...There are a bunch of the 2 seat Fly Babies out there, both home engineered
and from the latest generatioin of plans (Helve). From what I have read,
pilot report from Ron Wannatja in Kit plane) rear cockpit room is ok (he is a
larger sort).
Engine weight is well under C-85 and 0-200 with full electrics in the same configuration...I
have weighed them both. (wet, complete with mount)
Fuel Burn is a solid 4 gallon per hour, but yes I am concerned about how far both
designs can be used to fill the need.
Daughter is currenty 15 (almost has her Canadian Ultra Light licence which is similar
to the USA LSA licence) she will be 17 in 2009 and expect 5'9" ish...140lbs.
Thanks again all for your input
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| Subject: | cruising at 100 MPH |
I am glad to see Jack and Oscar speak to the 100 mph cruising speed objective.
From other posts re the Riblett airfoil, it seems possible to pick up 10 mph
gain in cruise with that alone, but every other change to gain speed will be a
stretch, because of the inherently draggy design. Using an A-65, most likely
you might see 85 mph "comfortable cruise" instead of a comparable 75 mph cruise.
Adding more hp might not make much more difference, either, as both Oscar
and Jack point out.
If you will be flying with antiques and vintage aircraft, what is wrong with a
slower cruising speed? Some of the flock must have slower cruising speeds than
the Piet, and a convoy moves at the speed of its slowest element.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>Sent: Aug 6, 2007 8:39 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
>
>
>Well put, Oscar.
>
>I would be very concerned with trying to cruise at 100 mph in a
>Pietenpol. The design is so inherently "draggy" that I would expect it
>to require in excess of 150 hp to get it to that kind of speed. A
>Pietenpol does not have significantly less drag than most biplanes, and
>few of them will cruise over 100 mph with less than 150 hp. Nor will a
>Super Cub. A bigger engine means more weight, and a bigger gas tank
>(again more weight) and this change leads to that change, etc., etc.
>
>The design of the wing is such that the drag wires will see large loads
>at speeds over 100 mph. Most planes have their drag wires and anti-drag
>wires arranged so that the angle between the drag wires and the spars is
>approximately 45 degrees. The Pietenpol has exceptionally long bays
>between the compression struts and the angle between the wires and the
>spars is closer to 25 degrees (I don't have my plans handy to verify the
>exact angle). That causes two problems - because the bays are long,
>each drag wire is carrying the drag of a longer section of spar, and
>because the angle is shallow, the tensile load on the wire is increased.
>Maybe the Riblett design has a different arangement of the
>drag/anti-drag wires. I haven't seen the design of that wing.
>
>I agree with your comments about speed in the Piet, Oscar. I've had
>mine over 90 a couple of times and while it wasn't unsafe, the plane
>just didn't feel right at that speed. And with the way a Pietenpol
>bounces around in turbulence, I would not be comfortable flying it that
>fast in rough air, even if I had an engine that could drag it through
>the air at those speeds.
>
>I would be curious to see what kind of fairings and cowlings could be
>added to streamline a Piet. All the external bracing wires would have
>to be made of streamlined wire, of course, or replaced with streamlined
>struts. A bubble canopy would help, as well as a fully cowled engine.
>In the end, I think you would have more of a Pober Super Ace or a Bakeng
>Duece.
>
>Jack Phillips
>Enjoying "Low and Slow" in my Pietenpol
>If I want to fly High and Fast, I take the RV4
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
>Zuniga
>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
>
>--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight
>experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like
>65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at
>speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what
>that means.
>
>I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of
>times.
> It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't
>feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at
>100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy
>trying to operate it there.
>
>Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet"
>that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in
>one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in
>one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be
>enough).
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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>A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here.
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Zaggy,
I believe both Gene and Jack have pointed to the Bakeng Deuce as an alternative
to the Piet, given your need for more speed. I can speak to that point to a
degree.
I visited the Bakeng facility in Kenosha last year between my visits to the 2006
Brodhead and Oshkosh events. Austin Cole, the CEO, and I share a very good
friend, Don S. who made introductions to facilitate my visit. Austin proved to
be a very gracious fellow and showed me what he had done, in detail. He has
improved many aspects of the original design, taken it all to CAD/CAM, and now
sells plans, kits and parts. BTW, Mr. Cole knew that my interest was to pick
up tricks in building my Piet.
The plane is much more aerodynamic than a Piet, and is absolutely gorgeous. It
will cruise at the speeds you want. When I first saw the plane I wondered if
Jim Bakeng, a Boeing engineer at the time I think, started with the Piet in his
mind, and updated each aspect of it to (some) much later materials and design.
The design is much more elaborate than a Piet, as well as later, and was built
with modern aircraft engines in mind.
The pilot's cockpit is similar in size and shape to a Piet. It was a tight fit
for me, at 6'1" and 250 plus. I don't recall seeing a baggage compartment, but
that is likely just a memory problem.
Your engine may well work in the Deuce, but I think the website recommends 125-160
hp. Specs are based on a 150 hp Lycoming. The plane is not a light sport
aircraft in the USA, and likely not the similar rating in Canada. Construction
is welded steel tubing. I don't know if these factors are considerations for
you.
You can buy a fuselage kit and other parts to speed constructionand you may need
to do that to meet your timetable. If you want to spend as much as the Deuce
may cost, it offers a great building and flying experience. Did I say it's
gorgeous? OTOH, if you have a more limited budget as most of us Pieters do, you
can build a Piet that looks great, too, flying slower and more cheaply. The
guys on this site will certainly help.
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Yep, another wing question.. |
Hi,
I didn't use the full size rib template because the exact dimensions are given
in the plans and I figured since paper size changes with the weather I'd stick
with the given dimensions.
If you look at the 3 piece wing, 3/4" spar is all they talk about on that page.
So after talking to Chuck on this forum I used the center line of the spar and
placed my gussets such that the 3/4" spars line are centered where the 1" spars
would be centered.
I didn't cut circles for gussets, I made a separate gusset template for each of
the 15 gussets and made batches of them (there will be a few extra sizes for
the 6 ribs that have vertical members in the truss). Because I took that approach
there was very little waste and I got all of my gussets out of about $50
of plywood from Aircraft Spruce. Although I think the area between the cut circles
is waste, that waste is recovered in time savings (a transferred cost).
My gussets took me a while to produce but I was willing to do them that way to
get the look I was going for, limit waste, and save some money.
Hope this helps.
Keep at it. 32 finished well made ribs is a very nice thing to look at when they're
all stacked up next to each other and exactly the same.
Good luck!
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: New to group...here's my delima |
Welcome to the list Zaggy,
Your needs are considerable. I haven't heard of anyone quoting a 100
mph cruise in a Piet. I think 70 is more the average. 3-400 miles
doesn't sound like much fun. I'm building a Pietenpol and flying a Baby
Ace while building. Two hours in the Baby Ace is really a test of *my
*endurance. To get the kind of range you want, you would probably need
to carry more fuel than would be under safe gross weight with two 200
pound passengers in a Pietenpol, and there would be nowhere to put your
overnight bags. One last thing, unless you are retired and plan to work
on it full time, you are getting started a little late...I'm sure others
will weigh in too, but I've been working on my Piet for 2.5 years and
could easily only be half done.
Don't get me wrong, the Pietenpol is a great plane in its element, but
generally when a passenger is carried its flown low and slow for short hops.
Ben Charvet
Mims,Fl
NX866BC Piet under construction
N39D Baby Ace
zaggy wrote:
>
>Hi everyone, new to the group and seeking some advice from those that have built
and are flying.
>
>2009 is the 100th anniversary fo flight in Canada.
>
>There is a coast to coast tour of "Antique and Vintage" aircraft that will fly
from Comox, British Columbia to Baddeck, Nova Scotia (the home of the first flight
in Canada)through the summer of 2009. The tour is stopping at every museum
that is a member of the "Canadian Aeronautical Preservation Association"(including
our museum.
>
>I've decided I would like to take part in the full tour with my daughter, seems
to me it's one of those "life" moments and I would like to take advantage of
it.
>
>The problem....what to build to fly in it?
>
>-The engine I have, built it for an aircraft I was partners in, partner had an
accident, 1.6L 100hp and it's a known quantity. Swings a 70" 3 blade prop to
2750rpm no sweat. Reliable with a little over 100hrs on it.
>
>-Airframe?
> 2 full size adult seating(I'm 6"2", 220lbs) with dual controls
> Small amount of baggage (couple overnight bags)
> 100mph cruise
> Handle off field landings well
> 3-400 mile range plus 1hr reserve
> Easy to build
> Vintage look
>
>Top of my list, that I have done a pile of resarch on:
>- Heavily cleaned up Pietenpol
> (raised turtle deck, fairings every where, tight cowl, wheel pants)
> Thinking of the Riblett airfoil
>
>- 2 seat version of the Fly Baby (Plans now availabile)
> (cleaned up raised deck, wheel pants etc)
>
>I have access to full metal and wood working tools and a few experienced types
to help out.
>
>Thoughts, suggestions?
>
>Tom H
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127656#127656
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dick N's cool Piet |
(I am trying to get this message to Dick)
Hi Dick,
I purchased a Nieuport 28 kit from Robert Baslee and I will be installing a 110hp
seven cylinder Rotec engine. I had been trying to come up with a decent looking
instrument panel when I came across the photos of your Piet on Rotecs web
page. Is that dial switch above the quadcombo gauge used for monitoring the engines
cht or egt for each cylinder? I would like to reproduce your instruments
configuration for my 28. Do you think it possible to share that info with me?
Hope to hear from you soon.
William J. Norris
P.O. Box 7650
Carolina, PR 00986
tel: 1-787-769-7670
fax: 1-787-769-7700
cell: 1-787-215-3590
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| Subject: | New to group...here's my delima |
I agree with you, Ben. My Pietenpol has a 15 gallon tank which gives me
about 3 hours with a 45 minute reserve. I tend to plan my trips with no
leg over 2 hours, not for fuel but because 2 hours is MY endurance
limit. After 2 hours, I feel like the tomcat that was making love to a
skunk: "I've enjoyed about all of this I can STAND!"
Do Not Archive
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NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Charvet
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to group...here's my delima
--> <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Welcome to the list Zaggy,
Your needs are considerable. I haven't heard of anyone quoting a 100
mph cruise in a Piet. I think 70 is more the average. 3-400 miles
doesn't sound like much fun. I'm building a Pietenpol and flying a Baby
Ace while building. Two hours in the Baby Ace is really a test of *my
*endurance. To get the kind of range you want, you would probably need
to carry more fuel than would be under safe gross weight with two 200
pound passengers in a Pietenpol, and there would be nowhere to put your
overnight bags. One last thing, unless you are retired and plan to work
on it full time, you are getting started a little late...I'm sure others
will weigh in too, but I've been working on my Piet for 2.5 years and
could easily only be half done.
Don't get me wrong, the Pietenpol is a great plane in its element, but
generally when a passenger is carried its flown low and slow for short
hops.
Ben Charvet
Mims,Fl
NX866BC Piet under construction
N39D Baby Ace
zaggy wrote:
>--> <eahs.execdir@interbaun.com>
>
>Hi everyone, new to the group and seeking some advice from those that
have built and are flying.
>
>2009 is the 100th anniversary fo flight in Canada.
>
>There is a coast to coast tour of "Antique and Vintage" aircraft that
will fly from Comox, British Columbia to Baddeck, Nova Scotia (the home
of the first flight in Canada)through the summer of 2009. The tour is
stopping at every museum that is a member of the "Canadian Aeronautical
Preservation Association"(including our museum.
>
>I've decided I would like to take part in the full tour with my
daughter, seems to me it's one of those "life" moments and I would like
to take advantage of it.
>
>The problem....what to build to fly in it?
>
>-The engine I have, built it for an aircraft I was partners in, partner
had an accident, 1.6L 100hp and it's a known quantity. Swings a 70" 3
blade prop to 2750rpm no sweat. Reliable with a little over 100hrs on
it.
>
>-Airframe?
> 2 full size adult seating(I'm 6"2", 220lbs) with dual controls Small
>amount of baggage (couple overnight bags) 100mph cruise Handle off
>field landings well 3-400 mile range plus 1hr reserve Easy to build
>Vintage look
>
>Top of my list, that I have done a pile of resarch on:
>- Heavily cleaned up Pietenpol
> (raised turtle deck, fairings every where, tight cowl, wheel pants)
> Thinking of the Riblett airfoil
>
>- 2 seat version of the Fly Baby (Plans now availabile)
> (cleaned up raised deck, wheel pants etc)
>
>I have access to full metal and wood working tools and a few
experienced types to help out.
>
>Thoughts, suggestions?
>
>Tom H
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127656#127656
>
>
>
>
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Members of the list:
In need of recomendations for header tank alum. thickness and type. Any information
is much needed. This will be the weekend I can test my brother-in-law on
his alum. welding skills!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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I made my tank out of .040" 5052-H32 aluminum. Good luck! Be sure to
leak test it - you'll be amazed how many pinholes you will find after
welding (I had 63 in mine)
Jack Phillips
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alum. thickness
Members of the list:
In need of recomendations for header tank alum. thickness and type. Any
information is much needed. This will be the weekend I can test my
brother-in-law on his alum. welding skills!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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I agree with what many here are saying. Our piet can reach 100 mph in
level flight. HOWEVER, it is not fun. IMO, the Piet without dihedral
is dynamically neutrally stable. Any little bump requires correction
immediately. This is enjoyable at 70 mph. It's frenetic at 100 mph.
As to time in the air, I've actually never flown for two hours. The
longest flight I've made in the Piet is about 1 hour. It was still
fun at that point, but I was glad to bring 'er in. I of course went
back up after lunch, and I think that that is the essence of Piet
flying: Several hops per day = fun.
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| Subject: | Re: Alum. thickness |
Jack,
You are a better welder than I. I had to use .050 thick aluminum. (Had 5
leaks).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Well, I'm working on memory of something I did 5 years ago. Mine may
well have been .050". I didn't weld it, but had my neighbor (who has a
TIG welding rig) do it.
Jack
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alum. thickness
Jack,
You are a better welder than I. I had to use .050 thick aluminum. (Had
5 leaks).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Alum. thickness |
That makes me feel better, I welded mine using .040 5052 and had about 5
leaks to fix and was wondering if I should start over.
Rick
On 8/6/07, HelsperSew@aol.com <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> You are a better welder than I. I had to use .050 thick aluminum. (Had 5
> leaks).
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Yep, another wing question.. |
Go to a hobby shop and by 1 ft x 4 ft. 1/16" birch plywood for about $10 per
sheet for your rib gussets.
Roman Bukolt
----- Original Message -----
From: "kb2qqm" <kb2qqm@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Yep, another wing question..
>
> thanks for the input. I have checked my plans book and sheets and all I
> see are drawings for a 1 inch spar. The full size rib plan also has the
> 1" spar. Are there specific drawings/plans for the 3/4" spars ? Am I
> missing a plan sheet ?
>
> I have the full size rib template mounted under plexi-glass, and dread
> re-doing it, but if there is a drawing for it, it would be easier to re-do
> the jig now, and save gobs of time later.
>
>
> I also saw the idea for the 1/16" rib gussets fabricated out of 2 & 1/2"
> circles cut in half. Instead of the individual pre-cut gussets. Which
> would save allot of time, except for the few that are needed cut to size
> around the spars.
>
> A question on the wood for the gussets. I see the aircraft plywood at
> Aircraft Spruce. Cha-Ching ! $100+ something dollars..
> Is it possible to use marine grade plywood, or something cheaper in price
> but with the same strength? What are my options?
> I definately want quality, as I don't want to hear "crack" at 2000 AGL.
>
> Greg [Shocked]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127710#127710
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowling |
For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Any
suggestions?
Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style
cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index
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| Subject: | Re: cruising at 100 MPH |
I can get about 105 mph, 2600 rpm, but got Lycosaur 0-235 for power and
Aeronca D wings. Not much fun at 105, ears flappin' like a dog with it's
head out the window. Much more fun at 70 mph. Fuel burn out of 20 gal tank
6.5 gal/hr while hot footin' it, so about 2.5 hrs range. Still not much fun
getting beat by the wind just to get from point A to B. Much more fun
flying along Interstate and seeing all the traffic going faster.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> I am glad to see Jack and Oscar speak to the 100 mph cruising speed
> objective. From other posts re the Riblett airfoil, it seems possible to
> pick up 10 mph gain in cruise with that alone, but every other change to
> gain speed will be a stretch, because of the inherently draggy design.
> Using an A-65, most likely you might see 85 mph "comfortable cruise"
> instead of a comparable 75 mph cruise. Adding more hp might not make much
> more difference, either, as both Oscar and Jack point out.
>
> If you will be flying with antiques and vintage aircraft, what is wrong
> with a slower cruising speed? Some of the flock must have slower cruising
> speeds than the Piet, and a convoy moves at the speed of its slowest
> element.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>>Sent: Aug 6, 2007 8:39 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
>>
>><Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
>>
>>Well put, Oscar.
>>
>>I would be very concerned with trying to cruise at 100 mph in a
>>Pietenpol. The design is so inherently "draggy" that I would expect it
>>to require in excess of 150 hp to get it to that kind of speed. A
>>Pietenpol does not have significantly less drag than most biplanes, and
>>few of them will cruise over 100 mph with less than 150 hp. Nor will a
>>Super Cub. A bigger engine means more weight, and a bigger gas tank
>>(again more weight) and this change leads to that change, etc., etc.
>>
>>The design of the wing is such that the drag wires will see large loads
>>at speeds over 100 mph. Most planes have their drag wires and anti-drag
>>wires arranged so that the angle between the drag wires and the spars is
>>approximately 45 degrees. The Pietenpol has exceptionally long bays
>>between the compression struts and the angle between the wires and the
>>spars is closer to 25 degrees (I don't have my plans handy to verify the
>>exact angle). That causes two problems - because the bays are long,
>>each drag wire is carrying the drag of a longer section of spar, and
>>because the angle is shallow, the tensile load on the wire is increased.
>>Maybe the Riblett design has a different arangement of the
>>drag/anti-drag wires. I haven't seen the design of that wing.
>>
>>I agree with your comments about speed in the Piet, Oscar. I've had
>>mine over 90 a couple of times and while it wasn't unsafe, the plane
>>just didn't feel right at that speed. And with the way a Pietenpol
>>bounces around in turbulence, I would not be comfortable flying it that
>>fast in rough air, even if I had an engine that could drag it through
>>the air at those speeds.
>>
>>I would be curious to see what kind of fairings and cowlings could be
>>added to streamline a Piet. All the external bracing wires would have
>>to be made of streamlined wire, of course, or replaced with streamlined
>>struts. A bubble canopy would help, as well as a fully cowled engine.
>>In the end, I think you would have more of a Pober Super Ace or a Bakeng
>>Duece.
>>
>>Jack Phillips
>>Enjoying "Low and Slow" in my Pietenpol
>>If I want to fly High and Fast, I take the RV4
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
>>Zuniga
>>Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:10 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: cruising at 100 MPH
>>
>>--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Before I flew a Piet I used to read posts from those who did have flight
>>experience, telling how the Piet "feels" best cruising something like
>>65-80 MPH. I couldn't imagine or visualize the issue with cruising at
>>speeds higher than that. Now that I have one I can fly, I know what
>>that means.
>>
>>I've had 41CC to redline airspeed (95 MPH or thereabouts) a couple of
>>times.
>> It doesn't feel unsafe, it doesn't feel squirrelly, but it doesn't
>>feel like it wants to be there, either. I can't imagine cruising it at
>>100 MPH, aerodynamic cleanup or not, and I doubt that you'd be happy
>>trying to operate it there.
>>
>>Before you jump into a Piet project thinking you'll make a "Super Piet"
>>that will go faster and carry more than a stock Piet, take a ride in
>>one. Better yet, see if you can get some instruction or stick time in
>>one, not just around the pattern but on a short x-c hop (20 mi. will be
>>enough).
>>
>>Oscar Zuniga
>>San Antonio, TX
>>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________
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>>http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: New to group...here's my delima |
You are right! 2009 is indeed the 100th anniversary of the first flight of
a heavier-than-air machine in Canada. The pilot of the SILVER DART was J. A.
D. McCurdy and the flight was made at Baddeck, Nova Scotia on February 23,
1909. The planned coast to coast tour sounds like an excellent idea, but I
don't think the Pietenpol is the right airplane for the job.
As pointed out by others in this group, the Pietenpol is definitely not a
100mph airplane. Initially I had an A65 Continental in mine and it cruised
at 75 mph. For many years it has had a C85 engine which gives a cruise of
about 80 to 85 mph, depending on the choice of propeller. With the C85, I
have reserve power and full throttle in level flight gives only about 88 mph
indicated at over 2500 rpm. I have had mine indicating 100 mph in a shallow
dive without anything shaking or breaking, but it isn't a comfortable
feeling because one is exceeding what seems to be the natural "hull speed"
of this draggy design.
Then there is little or no space for baggage or gear in a Pietenpol when
carrying a passenger. It isn't the most comfortable aircraft to sit in for
extended trips, either. After 1.5 hours I am looking forward to landing and
doing a "walkabout". I have nothing but admiration for the people who have
flown Pietenpols on long trips. But, in most cases, I believe they were
flying solo and had room for some baggage and extra fuel. Certainly, having
a passenger would make the whole operation much more difficult, as well as
compromising the aircraft's performance. Keep in mind the fact that a
Pietenpol is a small airplane designed at a time when people were smaller
and lighter, and the primary objective was to just go flying. Not far, not
high and definitely not fast!
Years ago, Peter M. Bowers wrote an article titled something like this:
PIETENPOL: THE PASTURE PILOT'S PRIDE AND JOY. He pretty well summed up the
Pietenpol's capabilities and limitations and ended by saying that the
Pietenpol is in a class by itself as a sportplane and it should not compared
to lightplanes with similar power such as the Taylorcraft, Luscombe, etc.
Having owned both Taylorcraft and Luscombe airplanes, I completely agree
with him. The Pietenpol is ideal for puttering around locally and is lots of
fun to fly, but the T'Craft and Luscombe outshine it for cross country
flying.
With this in mind, why don't you take a look at getting a good vintage
lightplane for the tour? A Luscombe 8E or 8F will give you the 100 mph
cruise you are looking for and you won't have to build it within a limited
time frame.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen
Pietenpol CF-AUN in Camrose, Alberta
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowling |
MessageHi,
The reason is that the file index is incomplete. Leave it off and try
just going to :
http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Stinemetze
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Any
suggestions? Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a
J-3 style
cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index
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| Subject: | Re: Alum. thickness |
3003, .040
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP<mailto:kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
To: Pietenpol<mailto:Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alum. thickness
Members of the list:
In need of recomendations for header tank alum. thickness and type.
Any information is much needed. This will be the weekend I can test my
brother-in-law on his alum. welding skills!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: New to group...here's my delima |
Well guys
I really appreciate the input.
I came to the list to hear real world informatioin and you have been great!
Researching the Piet I have seen claims of 90mph cruise on 85hp, useful loads of
650lbs with a gross of 1500lbs.
So when I found this site I felt I would get some REAL answers and you have helped
me in spades.
I am not disappointed with what you are telling me about the Pietenpol at all as
what you are saying fits with the Offical Piet site and I certainly don't think
less of the aircraft...it does what it is meant to do well.
The reason for the short notice is that the "Back to Baddeck" tour has just been
annouced...but I have been chewing on this project for a while, it just gave
me the excuse to get in gear!
So now I need to decide if I can live with the real world facts or search for a
different airframe.
To balance things out, that doesn't eliminate the Piet, I will still be flying
after the cross country flight, and it sounds like for my general kins of flying
it fits the bill.
Once again I appreciate all your help and information...now to do some thinking.
Graham, you and I have met. I am in Edmonton and have been to some of the Fly In's
with the EHAA guys.
The vintage light planes you mention are great but have most of the same limitations...narrow
seating is the biggie. Owned a Cessna 120 for a number of years
and it was tight with 2 Albertans and fuel restricted at legal gross...mind you
I still wish I had never sold it.
Thats why I am looking at tandem seating designs...little more room for big guys
has been my though.
Hope to see you around the Fly Ins and thanks again everyone!
Tom H
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| Subject: | Re: cruising at 100 MPH |
As I mentioned on the other thread...thanks guys the real world answers have cleared
up alot of mis information I have seen on other sites.
I am now convinced the Piet is not a 100mph bird and I need to decide if I can
live with the facts or need to look at a different airframe.
Thanks again
Tom H
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| Subject: | Re: speed and time |
thanks I appreciate the info
Tom H
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| Subject: | Re: Bakeng Deuce |
thanks Tim
Everyone on the site has been great and I appreciate the honest interest everyone
has shown.
Looks like it is time to do some rethinking.
Thanks Tom H
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| Subject: | Re: Yep, another wing question.. |
In a message dated 8/6/2007 5:32:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
conceptmodels@tds.net writes:
Go to a hobby shop and by 1 ft x 4 ft. 1/16" birch plywood for about $10 per
sheet for your rib gussets.
It is suggested that you slightly rough up the glue side of the Birch Plywood
with #80 grit sandpaper, before cutting it into gussets...the Birch usually
has a bit of a slick finish, and roughing it up gives it better adhesion.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping |
You need a different magnet.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32066&cat=1,42363,42348
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32065&cat=1,42363,42348
Also, are you drilling out shallow holes to bring the magnet
flush with the board? If so, why not just glue them in?
Clif
> I also learned that those magnets are very very brittle. Screwing them
> down to the board, I broke 6 of them. I will post some of my pics soon.
>
> Greg
>
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