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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping (Steve Glass)
2. 03:57 AM - Sky Scout not sold---remains at Brodhead (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 05:32 AM - Re: Corvair cowling (rod wooller)
4. 06:10 AM - HP vs Speed, Wing Spars (tbyh@aol.com)
5. 07:05 AM - Bowers Pietenpol Article (Tom Winter)
6. 07:54 AM - Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article (Jim Markle)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article (Catdesigns)
8. 10:34 AM - Re: HP vs Speed ()
9. 11:02 AM - Re: HP vs Speed (tbyh@aol.com)
10. 11:14 AM - New web site on mid air collision avoidance comment solicitation (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
11. 11:16 AM - Re: HP vs Speed (Dave Abramson)
12. 12:14 PM - Re: HP vs Speed do not archive ()
13. 01:03 PM - HP vs Speed do not archive (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 01:27 PM - Stillwater, OK New member (James Nichols)
15. 01:33 PM - Re: Stillwater, OK New member (Terry Hall)
16. 01:48 PM - Re: Stillwater, OK New member (pietn38b@aol.com)
17. 03:28 PM - Re: Stillwater, OK New member (Steve Ruse)
18. 05:09 PM - Re: Stillwater, OK New member (Michael Conkling)
19. 07:37 PM - Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article (Jim Markle)
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| Subject: | Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping |
Just to let you know there are lots of "rare earth magnet" bargains on ebay.
I bought some to make some jigs that attach to the metal top of the table
saw.
Would it be easier to use a piece of steel as a rib building board and glue
the guide blocks on to it and then simply use loose magnets on top of the
gussets and against the cap strips. They would stick anywhere.
Steve in Maine
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magnetic Rib Clamping
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:46:00 -0700
>
>
>You need a different magnet.
>
>http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32066&cat=1,42363,42348
>
>http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32065&cat=1,42363,42348
>
>Also, are you drilling out shallow holes to bring the magnet
>flush with the board? If so, why not just glue them in?
>
>Clif
>
>
>>I also learned that those magnets are very very brittle. Screwing them
>>down to the board, I broke 6 of them. I will post some of my pics soon.
>>
>>Greg
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sky Scout not sold---remains at Brodhead |
Slight change in the program to my previous post about Dennis Hall
selling his Sky Scout to
a gent in Michigan. Dennis changed his mind about selling and the
plane will remain as is
with Dennis in Brodhead.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair cowling |
Tom
I typed www.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index and got in no
trouble.
Rod Wooller
>From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze@cox.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Corvair cowling
>Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:38:59 -0500
>
>For whatever the reason, the link to Hans' site won't work for me. Any
>suggestions?
> Hans VanderVoort has an award winning Piet/Vair with a J-3 style
>
> cowling. Check it out at http://hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/index
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>Tom Stinemetze
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| Subject: | HP vs Speed, Wing Spars |
Keep in mind that according to?some formula that I saw somewhere, to double an
aircraft's speed will require?FOUR times the horsepower. I think this also applies
to stock cars, baby buggies, bicycles and other conveyance contraptions.*
For example, to get a 100-mph, 150-HP Super Cub up to 200 mph, would?require
600-hp. A Pratt & Whitney 1340 (T-6/SNJ engine) would probably do the trick, but
then again you'd need to adjust the aircraft's weight and balance slightly!
This would?also require a new name -- the Super-Duper Cub! Would?most likely?also
require a "slightly" larger rudder to offset takeoff torque...and your range/endurance
would probably drop to one "bump and go."??
Regarding wing spars -- If using 1-inch thick spars per BHP plans, then it is recommended
to?rout the spars to save some weight -- but the top and bottoms of
the spars are 1-inch thick.?
If using 3/4-inch thick spars, DO NOT rout the spars and 1/4-inch of material is
added where the ribs meet the spars if the ribs are built per the BHP plans.
That is the difference. If I'm wrong on this, somebody please correct me.?
Meanwhile, my Piet project is now sitting on the landing gear in the basement.
I've been doing some finishing work (i.e. sanding) on the tail surfaces and working
out the brake arrangement and other details. Hope to post some pics one
of these days...
Was great to see everyone at Brodhead, especially Mike Cuy, Jack Phillips and their
compadres?from Ohio --?also Ken Perkins.?
I photographically documented Don Emch's "reveille" flight at 5:46 a.m. Saturday
morning at Brodhead. I had walked over for a shower about 5:00 a.m. thinking
that surely I would be first in line, but you have to get up pretty early to
get ahead of Piet builders/flyers/enthusiasts! There were already three fellows
ahead of me! I think this is also a function of the Piet's cruise speed -- being
associated with Pietenpol airplanes has gradually made us all evolve into
creatures that need to?get an early start on all endeavors that we undertake!
(And?earlier to bed, too!) Anyway, it was a beautiful sunrise that morning with
just a wisp of ground fog and fun to see Don go out on the dawn patrol!
Gonna be hot and humid today -- even my Nissan PU and the dog are?feeling the affects
of increased density altitude!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI?
*??Please note, however,?that quadrupling the number of horses hitched to?a stage
coach, hay wagon or manure spreader?will not necessarily result in doubled
speed -- although I don't know if anyone has proved/disproved this.?Reminds me
of the story my late dear Grampa told me about the horse-drawn manure spreader
he was driving back around 1910 when a bee?stung one of the horses...said there
was sh__ flying as high as the tree tops! ?
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| Subject: | Bowers Pietenpol Article |
Ok, aviation fans. I've got a basement wall lined with shelves full
of old aviation mags, and probably so do you. This article is not in
my collection. Everybody, check in yours. First to find it, please
scan it and post it. Or give the magazine name and date. From there
I can get it through interlibrary loan.
"Years ago, Peter M. Bowers wrote an article titled something like this:
PIETENPOL: THE PASTURE PILOT'S PRIDE AND JOY. He pretty well
summed up the
Pietenpol's capabilities and limitations and ended by saying
that the
Pietenpol is in a class by itself as a sportplane..."
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| Subject: | Bowers Pietenpol Article |
I scanned the article several years ago and it's on mykitplane.com.....
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Winter" <twinter1@unl.edu>
Sent: 8/7/07 9:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bowers Pietenpol Article
Ok, aviation fans. I've got a basement wall lined with shelves full
of old aviation mags, and probably so do you. This article is not in
my collection. Everybody, check in yours. First to find it, please
scan it and post it. Or give the magazine name and date. From there
I can get it through interlibrary loan.
"Years ago, Peter M. Bowers wrote an article titled something like this:
PIETENPOL: THE PASTURE PILOT'S PRIDE AND JOY. He pretty well
summed up the
Pietenpol's capabilities and limitations and ended by saying
that the
Pietenpol is in a class by itself as a sportplane..."
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| Subject: | Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article |
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=181
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Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127951#127951
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Actually, Drag, a force, is proportional to the square of velocity, but the power
to overcome drag is proportional to the cube of velocity. (Power = force x
velocity)
This means that doubling the speed requires EIGHT times the power, all other things
remaining constant. The Super-Pooper-Duper Cub would need 1200 Hp.
Mike Hardaway
---- tbyh@aol.com wrote:
> Keep in mind that according to?some formula that I saw somewhere, to double an
aircraft's speed will require?FOUR times the horsepower. I think this also applies
to stock cars, baby buggies, bicycles and other conveyance contraptions.*
For example, to get a 100-mph, 150-HP Super Cub up to 200 mph, would?require
600-hp. A Pratt & Whitney 1340 (T-6/SNJ engine) would probably do the trick,
but then again you'd need to adjust the aircraft's weight and balance slightly!
This would?also require a new name -- the Super-Duper Cub!
[snip]
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I stand corrected!
FWB
-----Original Message-----
From: bike.mike@charter.net
Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: HP vs Speed
Actually, Drag, a force, is proportional to the square of velocity, but the
power to overcome drag is proportional to the cube of velocity. (Power = force
x velocity)
This means that doubling the speed requires EIGHT times the power, all other
things remaining constant. The Super-Pooper-Duper Cub would need 1200 Hp.
Mike Hardaway
---- tbyh@aol.com wrote:
> Keep in mind that according to?some formula that I saw somewhere, to double an
aircraft's speed will require?FOUR times the horsepower. I think this also
applies to stock cars, baby buggies, bicycles and other conveyance
contraptions.* For example, to get a 100-mph, 150-HP Super Cub up to 200 mph,
would?require 600-hp. A Pratt & Whitney 1340 (T-6/SNJ engine) would probably do
the trick, but then again you'd need to adjust the aircraft's weight and balance
slightly! This would?also require a new name -- the Super-Duper Cub!
[snip]
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| Subject: | New web site on mid air collision avoidance comment solicitation |
Its not often we get a chance to add our comments to a developing website,
however One of the safety professional boards I belong to had a posting
pertaining to a new website to prevent mid air colissions, I asked the developer
Craig Schilder if he would have a problem with my reposting in the POA and AOPA
to solicite feed back from pilots. He encourage the idea.
Following is that posting fo your review, consideration and comment directly
to Craig:
One of our offices is developing this website to prevent midair collisions
with military aircraft.
_http://www.seeandavoid.org/_ (http://www.seeandavoid.org/)
would you all give this a look and let me know of any improvements needed
and your thoughts about the effort.
Craig Schilder
DoD Pentagon support
Accident Prevention Services
Arlington, VA 22202
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C 703-399-6520
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Since the Pietenpol wing is designed "with a notch of flaps" in it I do not think
you could double the speed. We would never hear the story from the pilot who
tried it.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of bike.mike@charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: HP vs Speed
Actually, Drag, a force, is proportional to the square of velocity, but the power
to overcome drag is proportional to the cube of velocity. (Power = force x
velocity)
This means that doubling the speed requires EIGHT times the power, all other things
remaining constant. The Super-Pooper-Duper Cub would need 1200 Hp.
Mike Hardaway
---- tbyh@aol.com wrote:
> Keep in mind that according to?some formula that I saw somewhere, to double an
aircraft's speed will require?FOUR times the horsepower. I think this also applies
to stock cars, baby buggies, bicycles and other conveyance contraptions.*
For example, to get a 100-mph, 150-HP Super Cub up to 200 mph, would?require
600-hp. A Pratt & Whitney 1340 (T-6/SNJ engine) would probably do the trick,
but then again you'd need to adjust the aircraft's weight and balance slightly!
This would?also require a new name -- the Super-Duper Cub!
[snip]
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| Subject: | Re: HP vs Speed do not archive |
I don't like where this is going!
The next step for aircraft makers after WWII was creating slicker designs that
did the job with moderate HP. I have a 1948 Bonanza that got great speed from
185 HP simply by being aerodynamic.
a Piet streamlined that much would be a?
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
1948 Bonanza
just lurking the Piet list
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: bike.mike@charter.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: HP vs Speed
>
> Actually, Drag, a force, is proportional to the square of
> velocity, but the power to overcome drag is proportional to the
> cube of velocity. (Power = force x velocity)
> This means that doubling the speed requires EIGHT times the power,
> all other things remaining constant. The Super-Pooper-Duper Cub
> would need 1200 Hp.
> Mike Hardaway
>
>
> ---- tbyh@aol.com wrote:
> > Keep in mind that according to?some formula that I saw
> somewhere, to double an aircraft's speed will require?FOUR times
> the horsepower. I think this also applies to stock cars, baby
> buggies, bicycles and other conveyance contraptions.* For example,
> to get a 100-mph, 150-HP Super Cub up to 200 mph, would?require
> 600-hp. A Pratt & Whitney 1340 (T-6/SNJ engine) would probably do
> the trick, but then again you'd need to adjust the aircraft's
> weight and balance slightly! This would?also require a new name --
> the Super-Duper Cub!
> [snip]
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HP vs Speed do not archive |
>a Piet streamlined that much would be a?
RV-14 ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Stillwater, OK New member |
Hello,
Just joined the group and am thinking (dreaming) of building
something. Looks like it will be a Pietenpol or Flybaby. I live in
Stillwater Oklahoma and was wondering if there were any Pietenpols in
the area. I get over to Tulsa fairly regularly so if there are any in
that area they would be easy to visit also.
Thanks in advance.
James Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Stillwater, OK New member |
James,
I'm building a Sky Scout (single seat sibling of the Air Camper) in Ada.
Terry Hall
----- Original Message -----
From: James Nichols
To: Pietenpol list
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stillwater, OK New member
Hello,
Just joined the group and am thinking (dreaming) of building
something. Looks like it will be a Pietenpol or Flybaby. I live in
Stillwater Oklahoma and was wondering if there were any Pietenpols in
the area. I get over to Tulsa fairly regularly so if there are any in
that area they would be easy to visit also.
Thanks in advance.
James Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Stillwater, OK New member |
James
There are three including mine on a field just north of Tulsa. Actually
just s.e. of Collinsville. Be glad to show mine and maybe the others. Jim
Ballew
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| Subject: | Re: Stillwater, OK New member |
James,
I'm down in Norman, and have a flying A-75 powered GN-1 Air Camper. I
fly it pretty regularly. You are welcome to come see it sometime.
Chuck Gantzer is up in Witchita, and I know there are at least three
Piets in the OKC area under construction, including Chet Peek's Model
A Piet which is also here in Norman. And of course there is Terry in
Ada who is building a Sky Scout.
Chet Peek's Pietenpol Book:
http://www.threepeakspub.com
On September 8th I'm having a fly-in at the airfield where I keep my
plane, you should come down. Maybe Terry can make it also. Chet will
probably be there if he is in town. Everyone is welcome, flying or
driving.
More information on the fly-in:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin
http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=3208
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting James Nichols <zekjet@yahoo.com>:
> Hello,
>
> Just joined the group and am thinking (dreaming) of building
> something. Looks like it will be a Pietenpol or Flybaby. I live in
> Stillwater Oklahoma and was wondering if there were any Pietenpols in
> the area. I get over to Tulsa fairly regularly so if there are any in
> that area they would be easy to visit also.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> James Nichols
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| Subject: | Re: Stillwater, OK New member |
Stillwater, OK??! I've got plenty of time in that pattern in a C-150 &
Aeronca 7AC -- granted it was all in the early 70's! ;-)
We also have college buddies around Tulsa (Sandsprings, OK)
Careful, there may be a need for a flying "Eskimo Joe's" shirt!! (in a
Piet , of course!)
Been there, too!
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
James Nichols wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just joined the group and am thinking (dreaming) of building
> something. Looks like it will be a Pietenpol or Flybaby. I live in
> Stillwater Oklahoma and was wondering if there were any Pietenpols in
> the area. I get over to Tulsa fairly regularly so if there are any in
> that area they would be easy to visit also.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> James Nichols?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article |
Wow, I forgot how low-res those Bowers article scans were...
If anyone wants a higher res version, email me offlist (I may not know how to email
"offlist" but maybe you do!)
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>Sent: Aug 7, 2007 11:05 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article
>
>
>http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=181
>
>--------
>Chris Tracy
>WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127951#127951
>
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