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1. 04:34 AM - Re: New Mexico (Gene & Tammy)
2. 05:08 AM - Re: Interested in Piets (Gene & Tammy)
3. 05:08 AM - Re: New Mexico (Jim Markle)
4. 05:14 AM - Re: Markle (Jim Markle)
5. 05:36 AM - Re: Markle (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 06:19 AM - Markle: substantiated by John Recine (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 06:28 AM - Interested in Piets (Oscar Zuniga)
8. 06:36 AM - Re: Interested in Piets (Isablcorky@aol.com)
9. 07:32 AM - stan's questions (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 09:28 AM - Re: Markle (Javier Cruz)
11. 09:39 AM - Re: Markle (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: Interested in Piets (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
13. 12:49 PM - Re: Interested in Piets (Gene & Tammy)
14. 01:09 PM - Interested in Piets (Oscar Zuniga)
15. 02:47 PM - Re: Interested in Piets (Isablcorky@aol.com)
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Bob, I'm not sure where you live but if Tennessee is on the way I have extra
space in my hanger you'd be welcome to.
Gene ( Just East of Memphis)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico
> <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
>
> My new project is in Edgewood New Mexico. Assuming I don't have time to
> haul it back, but the guy wants it out of his hanger, is there a pieter on
> the list nearby who know of a good storage location? I could fly down,
> move
> it, and then come back in the fall when it's not so busy. Just a though.
> I
> can get a couple of days next week.
>
> Bob
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> 5:38 PM
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Subject: | Re: Interested in Piets |
Interested in PietsStan,
Welcome to the wacky world of Pieter's. Their a great group, flying a
great airplane!
The best place I have found to locate one for sale in on
Barnstormers.com I have seen some really great ones for sale on that
site (I found mine there).
Good luck
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Amyett
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets
I am interested in buying a Pietenpol. I've research the Piet
including this chat group and have a few question.
I live in central Texas (high summer density altitudes) and I weigh
220 lbs, is the 65 hp Continental enough to carry myself and another
adult?
How much of a difference would an 85 hp engine make on the useful load
and climb performance?
How much maintenance should I expect on a Piet (I am only slightly
mechanical myself) and would most A+P's be able/willing to inspect and
repair wood and fabric aircraft?
Where do most Piet owners list their aircraft for sale?
Any other useful info would be greatly appreciated.
Stan
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And if you're passing through near Tulsa, you're welcome to stop over...and if
you need storage space I have plenty...
Jim in Pryor, OK
-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Aug 10, 2007 7:33 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico
>
>
>Bob, I'm not sure where you live but if Tennessee is on the way I have extra
>space in my hanger you'd be welcome to.
>Gene ( Just East of Memphis)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:19 PM
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico
>
>
>> <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
>>
>> My new project is in Edgewood New Mexico. Assuming I don't have time to
>> haul it back, but the guy wants it out of his hanger, is there a pieter on
>> the list nearby who know of a good storage location? I could fly down,
>> move
>> it, and then come back in the fall when it's not so busy. Just a though.
>> I
>> can get a couple of days next week.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 5:38 PM
>>
>>
>
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I cried myself to sleep after reading this.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>Sent: Aug 9, 2007 11:28 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle
>
>
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>This guy....Jim Markle, I have MET this guy and KNOW him so my first
>advice to the entire
>list is to beware when dealing with him....he's building a Ford powered
>Piet too.....scary.
>
>Actually Jim is a GREAT guy.....and is doing a fine job on his airplane.
>He actually does a very
>nice job of flying a Pietenpol from the front seat too. (next time I'm
>not going to let him embarrass me
>by flying better than me)
>
>Mike C.
>
>PS-- Jim you still owe Travis a beer:)
>
>
>
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Jim,
You got some serious reputation issues, I can believe the first part of
Michael's Post and after meeting him and watching his DVD he appears to be a
reputable character.Ffrom the first discussion I had with him at Broadhead, he
seems nice and honest enough. So I would put much stock in what he's said.
As I told you previously there was a guy bad mouthing you at Broadhead, he
looked a lot like me! Now I find I was not alone in besmirching your already
tainted name and dubious distinction.
Hey Jim I just had to do it! There are just some opportunities I cant resist.
Actually I have had the pleasure to have met Jim and see his Piet, I also
heard the model A come to life, wow, what an experience! He even let me try it
on for size, following which I decided to make mine a wide body Piet. If you
need the inside scoop on the Piet, Jim's your guy in Oklahoma.
I would encourage anyone interested in meeting a good guy and looking at a
great project to visit Jim. The meeting was a genuine pleasure and certainly
an education. My only regret is not getting enough pics of his project,
measurements, or his beer but a great guy to visit.
John Recine
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Subject: | Markle: substantiated by John Recine |
See, you miss ONE Brodhead event Jim and suddenly people begin to drag
you thru the mud and get ready to tar and
feather you. I hope you can make it next year to recoup the ground you
have lost with this fine group of gentlemen:))
Actually Jim had (note past tense ?) such a fine reputation among the
Pietenpol world that in 2005 Javier came all the way
from Mexico to personally give Jim a bottle of fine tequila,
hand-delivered.
I've had the pleasure of being corrupted on more than one occasion with
Jim and as John R. said, if anyone is in Oklahoma
his project would be a good object of inspiration for anyone building or
thinking of building.
Here's a photo of Jim in the front cockpit of my plane this past June
with his brother Joshua standing next to him. Both made
fine landings:)
Mike C.
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Subject: | Interested in Piets |
Stan asked:
>is the 65 hp Continental enough to carry myself and another adult?
Mike Cuy and others have said that it can be done but climb in the summer
will not be breathtaking in the usual sense... more like you'll hold your
breath and hope you clear obstacles at the end of the runway ;o) I've flown
myself (150 lbs.) and a passenger (180 lbs.) with full fuel on a summer day
and it was OK, but that's the most loaded I've operated my Piet. Corky may
have operated it heavier than that with he and Edwin aboard (no offense
meant, Corky).
>How much of a difference would an 85 hp engine make on the useful load
>and climb performance?
The 85 HP would provide a welcome power margin and will improve climb
performance. As far as useful load, if you don't have an excessively heavy
Piet to begin with, your weight & balance calculations may show you that it
will be impossible to overload your airplane, like mine is. I can't
physically stuff a large enough passenger and pilot into the airplane to
over-gross it. Cockpit size and access are the limiting factors. If you
have a heavier airplane though (as some are), then you will still be limited
by the gross weight limitation, not by engine horsepower. And there is
essentially no baggage space in a Piet except perhaps a small wing locker.
>How much maintenance should I expect on a Piet
The usual for an older VFR airplane, or even less. No electrical system,
everything is pretty much out in the open and fairly easy to get to. Oil
changes, spark plugs, landing gear, etc. will pretty much be it.
>would most A+P's be able/willing to inspect and repair wood and fabric
>aircraft?
Most TEXAS A&Ps would ;o) It's an easy one to inspect, everything on it is
standard aircraft hardware and methods (turnbuckles, pulleys, engine). As
far as repair, that's a different story... but there are surely some EAA
types where you are who could help with any repairs needed.
>Where do most Piet owners list their aircraft for sale?
Right here, or on Barnstormers, and a few on eBay.
Oscar Zuniga
NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
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Subject: | Re: Interested in Piets |
Do not archive
Would you explain the difference between a TEXAS A & P and other normal,
intelligent and experienced A & Ps?
Nathan
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Subject: | stan's questions |
Welcome Stan!
The engine questions has been well answered, the extra HP will certainly
help with climb, but don't look for much increase in speed as has been
discussed in the last few days.
Regarding maintenance, you'd be hard pressed to find a simpler airframe
to maintain. It is sturdy and extremely straightforward, whether it be
you or an A and P.
The best advice is to find someone around you who will give you a ride
and fly around for 30 minutes to see for yourself if it's the kind of
plane you want.
It is important that you understand the type of flying the Piet was
meant to do, and what it excells at, low, slow local flying. I've
always felt a Piet filled the same bill as a motorcycle or an open
topped sports car. Local cruising and lots of fun, and though they can
all certainly take long trips, you kinda have to be geared up for it.
Good luck,
Douwe
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Hi friends
Take care from Jim , and if you have the chance to visit Tulsa, wacht out,
maybe you leave there with some good ford engine and Aircamper Pictures to
many ideas for your Piet and a good meat and some beers aboard...:)
Thanks for you and for your family for that good time at your home Markle
Javier Cruz
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Jim,
I cried for you too!..........
If hanger space is needed......anytime your near Fargo, ND pull in for a nice
cup of coffee, some sugar beets, corn, potatoes, sunflowers, and beans! PS....no
charge take all you can carry!..... on your way to no-where! tee-hee-hee
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
I cried myself to sleep after reading this.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
>Sent: Aug 9, 2007 11:28 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle
>
>
>
>This guy....Jim Markle, I have MET this guy and KNOW him so my first
>advice to the entire
>list is to beware when dealing with him....he's building a Ford powered
>Piet too.....scary.
>
>Actually Jim is a GREAT guy.....and is doing a fine job on his airplane.
>He actually does a very
>nice job of flying a Pietenpol from the front seat too. (next time I'm
>not going to let him embarrass me
>by flying better than me)
>
>Mike C.
>
>PS-- Jim you still owe Travis a beer:)
>
>
>
>
>
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
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Subject: | Re: Interested in Piets |
The size of his hat!
Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: Do not archive
Would you explain the difference between a TEXAS A & P and other normal, intelligent
and experienced A & Ps?
Nathan
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Subject: | Re: Interested in Piets |
Corky, I believe Webster's lists "Texas A & P"
as "A farmer living near the Mexico border that raises Angus & pigs,
knowing they will draw flies. The Texas A & P will spend the day laying
on his back watching how the flys fly in order to discover the secret of
flight." Because of their obvious superior intellect, other Texans hire
them to get rid of the bugs in their flying machines."
Gene -----
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets
Do not archive
Would you explain the difference between a TEXAS A & P and other
normal, intelligent and experienced A & Ps?
Nathan
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8/9/2007 2:44 PM
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Subject: | Interested in Piets |
The reason I said that most Texas A&Ps will inspect and repair good old
airplanes like Pietenpols is that I hear and read quite a bit of stuff about
the whiny A&Ps in other parts of the country who don't seem to have the same
attitude towards experimentals and older aircraft, so I didn't want to lead
somebody astray.
Wayne Barker, the A&P who has given 41CC its last two annuals, owns Barker
Aeromotive in Laredo, Texas and also operates quite a large air freight
handling operation. Wayne is from one of the other reputable states in the
Southern tier of states and found it a joy to go over the airplane for me.
Has nothing to do with the size of your hat, because everybody knows you
can't wear a hat and fly a Piet at the same time ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Interested in Piets |
Oscar, you only get a C- on that comeback
Nathan and the gang
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