---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/10/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:34 AM - Re: New Mexico (Gene & Tammy) 2. 05:08 AM - Re: Interested in Piets (Gene & Tammy) 3. 05:08 AM - Re: New Mexico (Jim Markle) 4. 05:14 AM - Re: Markle (Jim Markle) 5. 05:36 AM - Re: Markle (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 06:19 AM - Markle: substantiated by John Recine (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 7. 06:28 AM - Interested in Piets (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 06:36 AM - Re: Interested in Piets (Isablcorky@aol.com) 9. 07:32 AM - stan's questions (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 09:28 AM - Re: Markle (Javier Cruz) 11. 09:39 AM - Re: Markle (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 12. 09:43 AM - Re: Interested in Piets (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 13. 12:49 PM - Re: Interested in Piets (Gene & Tammy) 14. 01:09 PM - Interested in Piets (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 02:47 PM - Re: Interested in Piets (Isablcorky@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:00 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico Bob, I'm not sure where you live but if Tennessee is on the way I have extra space in my hanger you'd be welcome to. Gene ( Just East of Memphis) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gow" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico > > > My new project is in Edgewood New Mexico. Assuming I don't have time to > haul it back, but the guy wants it out of his hanger, is there a pieter on > the list nearby who know of a good storage location? I could fly down, > move > it, and then come back in the fall when it's not so busy. Just a though. > I > can get a couple of days next week. > > Bob > > > -- > 5:38 PM > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:34 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets Interested in PietsStan, Welcome to the wacky world of Pieter's. Their a great group, flying a great airplane! The best place I have found to locate one for sale in on Barnstormers.com I have seen some really great ones for sale on that site (I found mine there). Good luck Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Amyett To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets I am interested in buying a Pietenpol. I've research the Piet including this chat group and have a few question. I live in central Texas (high summer density altitudes) and I weigh 220 lbs, is the 65 hp Continental enough to carry myself and another adult? How much of a difference would an 85 hp engine make on the useful load and climb performance? How much maintenance should I expect on a Piet (I am only slightly mechanical myself) and would most A+P's be able/willing to inspect and repair wood and fabric aircraft? Where do most Piet owners list their aircraft for sale? Any other useful info would be greatly appreciated. Stan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 8/8/2007 5:38 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:54 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico And if you're passing through near Tulsa, you're welcome to stop over...and if you need storage space I have plenty... Jim in Pryor, OK -----Original Message----- >From: Gene & Tammy >Sent: Aug 10, 2007 7:33 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico > > >Bob, I'm not sure where you live but if Tennessee is on the way I have extra >space in my hanger you'd be welcome to. >Gene ( Just East of Memphis) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert Gow" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:19 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Mexico > > >> >> >> My new project is in Edgewood New Mexico. Assuming I don't have time to >> haul it back, but the guy wants it out of his hanger, is there a pieter on >> the list nearby who know of a good storage location? I could fly down, >> move >> it, and then come back in the fall when it's not so busy. Just a though. >> I >> can get a couple of days next week. >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 5:38 PM >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:50 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle I cried myself to sleep after reading this..... -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" >Sent: Aug 9, 2007 11:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle > > > >This guy....Jim Markle, I have MET this guy and KNOW him so my first >advice to the entire >list is to beware when dealing with him....he's building a Ford powered >Piet too.....scary. > >Actually Jim is a GREAT guy.....and is doing a fine job on his airplane. >He actually does a very >nice job of flying a Pietenpol from the front seat too. (next time I'm >not going to let him embarrass me >by flying better than me) > >Mike C. > >PS-- Jim you still owe Travis a beer:) > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:55 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Jim, You got some serious reputation issues, I can believe the first part of Michael's Post and after meeting him and watching his DVD he appears to be a reputable character.Ffrom the first discussion I had with him at Broadhead, he seems nice and honest enough. So I would put much stock in what he's said. As I told you previously there was a guy bad mouthing you at Broadhead, he looked a lot like me! Now I find I was not alone in besmirching your already tainted name and dubious distinction. Hey Jim I just had to do it! There are just some opportunities I cant resist. Actually I have had the pleasure to have met Jim and see his Piet, I also heard the model A come to life, wow, what an experience! He even let me try it on for size, following which I decided to make mine a wide body Piet. If you need the inside scoop on the Piet, Jim's your guy in Oklahoma. I would encourage anyone interested in meeting a good guy and looking at a great project to visit Jim. The meeting was a genuine pleasure and certainly an education. My only regret is not getting enough pics of his project, measurements, or his beer but a great guy to visit. John Recine http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle: substantiated by John Recine From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" See, you miss ONE Brodhead event Jim and suddenly people begin to drag you thru the mud and get ready to tar and feather you. I hope you can make it next year to recoup the ground you have lost with this fine group of gentlemen:)) Actually Jim had (note past tense ?) such a fine reputation among the Pietenpol world that in 2005 Javier came all the way from Mexico to personally give Jim a bottle of fine tequila, hand-delivered. I've had the pleasure of being corrupted on more than one occasion with Jim and as John R. said, if anyone is in Oklahoma his project would be a good object of inspiration for anyone building or thinking of building. Here's a photo of Jim in the front cockpit of my plane this past June with his brother Joshua standing next to him. Both made fine landings:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:21 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets Stan asked: >is the 65 hp Continental enough to carry myself and another adult? Mike Cuy and others have said that it can be done but climb in the summer will not be breathtaking in the usual sense... more like you'll hold your breath and hope you clear obstacles at the end of the runway ;o) I've flown myself (150 lbs.) and a passenger (180 lbs.) with full fuel on a summer day and it was OK, but that's the most loaded I've operated my Piet. Corky may have operated it heavier than that with he and Edwin aboard (no offense meant, Corky). >How much of a difference would an 85 hp engine make on the useful load >and climb performance? The 85 HP would provide a welcome power margin and will improve climb performance. As far as useful load, if you don't have an excessively heavy Piet to begin with, your weight & balance calculations may show you that it will be impossible to overload your airplane, like mine is. I can't physically stuff a large enough passenger and pilot into the airplane to over-gross it. Cockpit size and access are the limiting factors. If you have a heavier airplane though (as some are), then you will still be limited by the gross weight limitation, not by engine horsepower. And there is essentially no baggage space in a Piet except perhaps a small wing locker. >How much maintenance should I expect on a Piet The usual for an older VFR airplane, or even less. No electrical system, everything is pretty much out in the open and fairly easy to get to. Oil changes, spark plugs, landing gear, etc. will pretty much be it. >would most A+P's be able/willing to inspect and repair wood and fabric >aircraft? Most TEXAS A&Ps would ;o) It's an easy one to inspect, everything on it is standard aircraft hardware and methods (turnbuckles, pulleys, engine). As far as repair, that's a different story... but there are surely some EAA types where you are who could help with any repairs needed. >Where do most Piet owners list their aircraft for sale? Right here, or on Barnstormers, and a few on eBay. Oscar Zuniga NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:55 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets Do not archive Would you explain the difference between a TEXAS A & P and other normal, intelligent and experienced A & Ps? Nathan http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:29 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: stan's questions Welcome Stan! The engine questions has been well answered, the extra HP will certainly help with climb, but don't look for much increase in speed as has been discussed in the last few days. Regarding maintenance, you'd be hard pressed to find a simpler airframe to maintain. It is sturdy and extremely straightforward, whether it be you or an A and P. The best advice is to find someone around you who will give you a ride and fly around for 30 minutes to see for yourself if it's the kind of plane you want. It is important that you understand the type of flying the Piet was meant to do, and what it excells at, low, slow local flying. I've always felt a Piet filled the same bill as a motorcycle or an open topped sports car. Local cruising and lots of fun, and though they can all certainly take long trips, you kinda have to be geared up for it. Good luck, Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:26 AM PST US From: "Javier Cruz" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Hi friends Take care from Jim , and if you have the chance to visit Tulsa, wacht out, maybe you leave there with some good ford engine and Aircamper Pictures to many ideas for your Piet and a good meat and some beers aboard...:) Thanks for you and for your family for that good time at your home Markle Javier Cruz ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:33 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle Jim, I cried for you too!.......... If hanger space is needed......anytime your near Fargo, ND pull in for a nice cup of coffee, some sugar beets, corn, potatoes, sunflowers, and beans! PS....no charge take all you can carry!..... on your way to no-where! tee-hee-hee Ken H Fargo, ND Jim Markle wrote: I cried myself to sleep after reading this..... -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" >Sent: Aug 9, 2007 11:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle > > > >This guy....Jim Markle, I have MET this guy and KNOW him so my first >advice to the entire >list is to beware when dealing with him....he's building a Ford powered >Piet too.....scary. > >Actually Jim is a GREAT guy.....and is doing a fine job on his airplane. >He actually does a very >nice job of flying a Pietenpol from the front seat too. (next time I'm >not going to let him embarrass me >by flying better than me) > >Mike C. > >PS-- Jim you still owe Travis a beer:) > > > > > Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:16 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets The size of his hat! Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: Do not archive Would you explain the difference between a TEXAS A & P and other normal, intelligent and experienced A & Ps? Nathan --------------------------------- Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:19 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets Corky, I believe Webster's lists "Texas A & P" as "A farmer living near the Mexico border that raises Angus & pigs, knowing they will draw flies. The Texas A & P will spend the day laying on his back watching how the flys fly in order to discover the secret of flight." Because of their obvious superior intellect, other Texans hire them to get rid of the bugs in their flying machines." Gene ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets Do not archive Would you explain the difference between a TEXAS A & P and other normal, intelligent and experienced A & Ps? Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 8/9/2007 2:44 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:28 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets The reason I said that most Texas A&Ps will inspect and repair good old airplanes like Pietenpols is that I hear and read quite a bit of stuff about the whiny A&Ps in other parts of the country who don't seem to have the same attitude towards experimentals and older aircraft, so I didn't want to lead somebody astray. Wayne Barker, the A&P who has given 41CC its last two annuals, owns Barker Aeromotive in Laredo, Texas and also operates quite a large air freight handling operation. Wayne is from one of the other reputable states in the Southern tier of states and found it a joy to go over the airplane for me. Has nothing to do with the size of your hat, because everybody knows you can't wear a hat and fly a Piet at the same time ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:20 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Interested in Piets Oscar, you only get a C- on that comeback Nathan and the gang http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.