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1. 02:02 AM - Re DC3 landings (Graham and Robyn)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: NX92GB and MERFI (shad bell)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: (no subject) (shad bell)
4. 06:20 AM - encouraging changes at EAA? (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: encouraging changes at EAA? (Phillips, Jack)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: encouraging changes at EAA? (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: Re DC3 landings (Tim Willis)
8. 11:16 AM - FW: encouraging changes at EAA? (Patrick Panzera)
9. 11:44 AM - Re: encouraging changes at EAA? (Terry Hall)
10. 12:04 PM - Re: Re DC3 landings (walt evans)
11. 09:06 PM - Carb Heat Muffs (Steve Ruse)
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Hi all
I recently noticed a query on the Web as whether DC3'''s could be three
pointed.
Have waited for some one to react to no avail so here is my two cents
worth.
It is many years since I last flew a DC3 but still have vivid memories
of them.
I have over 7000 hours in command of these wonderful ships and can
certainly confirm that they may be three pointed.
The exercise was always quite a challenge, & if you held off just
slightly too high , this resulted in just enough sink to touch down with
an almighty clang which sounded like 500 empty tin cans being crushed.
On the other hand if you jagged it exactly right just as the stick was
fully back it would be a real greaser, & extremely satisfying.
This followed an approach at 81 kts and as the flair was commenced the
power was right off & the props pushed to full fine
The average pilot never risked a 3 pointer with passengers as even
though the arrival was very safe, it took a lot of luck & judgement to
get it right, & in most cases the pilot achieved his 3 pointer at the
expense of subjecting his passengers to a memorable arrival.
I am reminded of my DC3 days every time I plug my two hearing aids into
my ears but reckon that being deaf is still worth it.
Cheers Graham Hewitt Piet builder from Perth West Australia
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| Subject: | tenpol-List:NX92GB and MERFI |
Skipp, I am not sure exsactly what time I will depart for MFD on Sat, it will depend
on who all is going to fly up. If My friend decides to go up in his J-3
I will fly up with him. If you want to fly up with us let me know. I imagine
it will be at least 9am or so before we leave. If you end up flying up to MFD
on friday, stop by here on your way and we can do some flying around the local
area if you want to. I sleep untill about noon or so on friday, because
I work all night mon-thurs and get off work at 7:30 am. Stay in touch and I'll
try to get back to you later in the week.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Keep going Robert your almost there. As for our "good luck", I knock on wood with
every takeoff (usually the 1/8 inch plywood glued to the side of the fuselage).
Just some advice from our experiance, if you havent already, do some extended
full power runs. 5 min. at a time if the engine stays cool enough on the
ground. This should be long enough to find any imidiate problems your engine
may have. I hope you don't have any of the wierd problems we had, although
they are educational they are scary and expensive as well.
Happy Painting
Shad
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| Subject: | encouraging changes at EAA? |
This was just posted to the Rotary aviation forum at:
http://www.flyrotary.com/ by Mr. Ernest Christley, and may be of interest to
EAArs disappointed with the current state of the organization.
Michael Silvius
============================
Following the lead of a fellow member of the Dyke Delta Yahoo group,
Bernie, I sent the editors at EAA an email explaining why I was not
renewing my membership. It looks like Bernie and I either spoke to
soon, or our actions are finally having the intended effect. I'll not
argue the point either way, but I got some news through the grapevine
this weekend that is very encouraging concerning the EAA.
The editor of Sport Aviation has been fired.
Now, I hate to see anyone lose their job, but here is how I understand
the situation. The guy took a job editing what should be an intensely
hardcore aviation publication, and he didn't have so much as a PP-SEL.
It appears that he had no interest in flying airplanes, and even less in
building one. He was in the wrong place. That's sad; both for him and
the EAA membership. Over the past year, EAA membership dropped 20%.
Sport Aviation content was cited most often as the reason. That is sad;
both for him and the membership. He is being replaced. I wish him luck
in finding a position better suited for him, but the bigger issue for
EAA members (past and present) is why he was replaced.
The board of directors saw the 20% drop in membership and started asking
why. Have you seen the makeup of the board? Sport Aviation printed the
nominees for the next year a couple months back. There weren't but a
couple that had ever worked on an airplane, and I believe only one
nominee that had ever built anything. The rest were bean counters and
management types, with a couple academics thrown in. While bean
counters and management types are both necessary and useful, I think it
wouldn't be that hard to find a few that had built at least one airplane
and would know what is wrong with the EAA's focus. Instead, they, being
bean counters and management types, do what bean counters and management
types do. They look at spreadsheets and charts and try to draw a
picture of reality from the summarization. Spreadsheets and charts
leave out a lot of data and twist reality all to easily. Until the
membership started dropping, they assumed everything was hunky-dory, and
all the talk about losing focus was just background noise. Now the
moaning has risen to a roar. Members are leaving.
So, we've punched them in the nose to get their attention. It is time
for a come to Jesus meeting where we calmly and clearly explain what the
problem is. If you've left the EAA without an explanation, please send
a quick email to editorial@eaa.org and state why you left. Just a few
polite lines so that they will know. If you're considering not renewing
your membership, let them know that. If you've tried to make your voice
heard before, but feel you were rebuked, please try again. I believe
the microphone is turned your way now. If you know someone who is
trying to fix the EAA from the inside, please mention their efforts so
that the board will have insiders to turn to for advise.
It's not often that an organization as large as the EAA will see one in
five members drop out in a single year. This is an historic opportunity
to set thing straight. The people in charge will be paying attention
like never before. It may be that the editor will just be a scapegoat,
and it will be back to business as usual in a few months. I think it
more likely that the board is genuinely concerned, but they just don't
understand. If we speak up and the situation is the former, then we can
say, "We told you so" next year when the membership drops another 20%.
If the situation is the latter then speaking up now will help draw back
the 20% that left and insure that they stay.
It is my opinion that the problem with the EAA is that the leadership
has forgotten why we are building airplanes. It is NOT, by any means,
simply to have an airplane. The analysis has been done all over the
place, and everyone agrees it would be more economical and less labor
intensive to get a second job, buy an airplane now, and be in the air
immediately. *WE* as builders know that. We're not stupid...DANG-IT!
The reason we build airplanes is....get this....PRIDE!
Plane (har-har) and simple. We want to say, "I built that." We want to
compare our workmanship to the guy on the next row, and marvel at the
simplicity/uniqueness/complexity/workmanship of the guy on the next.
The more bolt-on, manufactured goods are added, the less pride is
involved. The more the leadership has forgotten that PRIDE is the
driving force and been lured astray by advertising dollars from
manufactured goods, the more they've eaten away at the heart of the
organization. Now, I've got nothing against manufactured goods, or
their advertising. There are some parts of my project that I just had
no interest in making, wheel hubs, for example, so I chose to buy those
off the shelf. The problem is that I often get the feeling from the EAA
organization that my project is lessened by it not being a kit, or by me
making my own strobes or marker lights. If I'm building out of pride,
and you look down your nose at me for building...well, that's just a
punch in the gut, and I don't really care to be around you. You can't
go around punching your members and expect them to keep coming back.
Ernest Christley
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| Subject: | encouraging changes at EAA? |
Well, that makes me mighty proud of Ernest. He's in my EAA Chapter, and
I've looked at his Dyke Delta project in my role as Chapter Technical
Counselor. He's doing an excellent job on his Delta. As he indicated,
he's made just about everything on that plane himself, including the
Mazda Rotary engine conversion he's putting on it. He makes good points
in his letter.
In my opinion, Sport Aviation has not been very good since Jack Cox
retired as editor. It has gotten where every month I flip through the
magazine, dog-earing the articles I want to come back and read. It is
sad to see how many recent issues are sitting on my shelf with no pages
dog-eared. Hopefully the EAA leadership will listen. For the last few
years they were focused on corporate sponsorship. Then there was the
Light Sport Aircraft, but that didn't turn out the way most of us
thought it would. Instead of encouraging new pilots and new inexpensive
designs, it has encouraged wealthier older pilots to keep flying and
keep buying $100K+ airplanes. Gone are the days when the EAA develops
easy to build designs like the EAA Biplane and the Acrosport for the
membership. Kitplanes are a reality now but are not the death-knell of
homebuilding. After I finished my Pietenpol Air Camper I started
working on a Van's RV-10 and am about half through building it. Not as
enjoyable as building from scratch, at least to me, but a lot of people
don't have the skills or equipment to make every last part of an
airplane, and there is still a lot of knowledge to be gained by building
a kit.
Perhaps we the members should insist that at least half of the board of
directors have built at least one airplane. Personally, I think every
one of them should have at least some homebuilding experience, and it
goes without saying that everyone on the staff should have at least a
PP-ASEL rating. Maybe we should insist that Tom Poberezny should
perhaps build an airplane himself. I'm sure there is someone in his
family who could help him over the rough spots.
I've been in the EAA a long time, and will continue to support it. In
spite of its many shortcomings, it still is the ONLY organization that
supports sport flying, and it still publishes an awful lot of good
information on building aircraft. Not much new stuff since Tony
Bingelis left us, but at least they still publish his works.
Jack Phillips
EAA 81225
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MICHAEL
SILVIUS
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: encouraging changes at EAA?
--> <M.Silvius@worldnet.att.net>
This was just posted to the Rotary aviation forum at:
http://www.flyrotary.com/ by Mr. Ernest Christley, and may be of
interest to EAA'rs disappointed with the current state of the
organization.
Michael Silvius
============================
Following the lead of a fellow member of the Dyke Delta Yahoo group,
Bernie, I sent the editors at EAA an email explaining why I was not
renewing my membership. It looks like Bernie and I either spoke to soon,
or our actions are finally having the intended effect. I'll not argue
the point either way, but I got some news through the grapevine this
weekend that is very encouraging concerning the EAA.
The editor of Sport Aviation has been fired.
Now, I hate to see anyone lose their job, but here is how I understand
the situation. The guy took a job editing what should be an intensely
hardcore aviation publication, and he didn't have so much as a PP-SEL.
It appears that he had no interest in flying airplanes, and even less in
building one. He was in the wrong place. That's sad; both for him and
the EAA membership. Over the past year, EAA membership dropped 20%.
Sport Aviation content was cited most often as the reason. That is sad;
both for him and the membership. He is being replaced. I wish him luck
in finding a position better suited for him, but the bigger issue for
EAA members (past and present) is why he was replaced.
The board of directors saw the 20% drop in membership and started asking
why. Have you seen the makeup of the board? Sport Aviation printed the
nominees for the next year a couple months back. There weren't but a
couple that had ever worked on an airplane, and I believe only one
nominee that had ever built anything. The rest were bean counters and
management types, with a couple academics thrown in. While bean counters
and management types are both necessary and useful, I think it wouldn't
be that hard to find a few that had built at least one airplane and
would know what is wrong with the EAA's focus. Instead, they, being bean
counters and management types, do what bean counters and management
types do. They look at spreadsheets and charts and try to draw a picture
of reality from the summarization. Spreadsheets and charts leave out a
lot of data and twist reality all to easily. Until the membership
started dropping, they assumed everything was hunky-dory, and all the
talk about losing focus was just background noise. Now the moaning has
risen to a roar. Members are leaving.
So, we've punched them in the nose to get their attention. It is time
for a come to Jesus meeting where we calmly and clearly explain what the
problem is. If you've left the EAA without an explanation, please send a
quick email to editorial@eaa.org and state why you left. Just a few
polite lines so that they will know. If you're considering not renewing
your membership, let them know that. If you've tried to make your voice
heard before, but feel you were rebuked, please try again. I believe the
microphone is turned your way now. If you know someone who is trying to
fix the EAA from the inside, please mention their efforts so that the
board will have insiders to turn to for advise.
It's not often that an organization as large as the EAA will see one in
five members drop out in a single year. This is an historic opportunity
to set thing straight. The people in charge will be paying attention
like never before. It may be that the editor will just be a scapegoat,
and it will be back to business as usual in a few months. I think it
more likely that the board is genuinely concerned, but they just don't
understand. If we speak up and the situation is the former, then we can
say, "We told you so" next year when the membership drops another 20%.
If the situation is the latter then speaking up now will help draw back
the 20% that left and insure that they stay.
It is my opinion that the problem with the EAA is that the leadership
has forgotten why we are building airplanes. It is NOT, by any means,
simply to have an airplane. The analysis has been done all over the
place, and everyone agrees it would be more economical and less labor
intensive to get a second job, buy an airplane now, and be in the air
immediately. *WE* as builders know that. We're not stupid...DANG-IT!
The reason we build airplanes is....get this....PRIDE!
Plane (har-har) and simple. We want to say, "I built that." We want to
compare our workmanship to the guy on the next row, and marvel at the
simplicity/uniqueness/complexity/workmanship of the guy on the next.
The more bolt-on, manufactured goods are added, the less pride is
involved. The more the leadership has forgotten that PRIDE is the
driving force and been lured astray by advertising dollars from
manufactured goods, the more they've eaten away at the heart of the
organization. Now, I've got nothing against manufactured goods, or their
advertising. There are some parts of my project that I just had no
interest in making, wheel hubs, for example, so I chose to buy those off
the shelf. The problem is that I often get the feeling from the EAA
organization that my project is lessened by it not being a kit, or by me
making my own strobes or marker lights. If I'm building out of pride,
and you look down your nose at me for building...well, that's just a
punch in the gut, and I don't really care to be around you. You can't go
around punching your members and expect them to keep coming back.
Ernest Christley
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| Subject: | Re: encouraging changes at EAA? |
I really dislike getting on the me too band wagon, however. I dropped my
membership some time ago because the national organization didn't offer me
anything I considered useful. I joined the local chapter when I started my build
and once again became quickly disenchanted. It appears to be a social
organization of people that like to do the fly in circuit, take buss trips and
hold
picnics. All that's great, but I couldn't find a builder in the group, I
haven't attended many meetings but the ones I have attended always centered
around fundraiser's and social trips and tours and little if anything said about
building.
I would love to find a chapter in Central Pennsylvania that has builders,
more importantly would be a Piet expert or mentor who can answer questions and
make recommendations while visiting my project.
I have nothing against do that on this board, its just a bit easier to
explain, show and have full discussion when you're face to face with another
builder. I suppose that's one of the main reasons I visit builders anytime I am
traveling. I want to see , discuss and learn all I can about Piet building I
want mine to be the best Piet I can build and I want it to stand as such.
My apologies for the rant, I really wish there were an organization made up
of builders! even better would be Piet builders with a phone number you could
call for help when you needed it or have some one come out and inspect your
project at important stages to insure the bird you build although you own is
going to be well build and safe to fly.
Sorry for the rant, it just gets a little frustrating. No one on the red
board builds and few on POA actually build and I haven't been on the EAA site to
see if anyone builds there. It amazes me that after purchasing the entire set
of build books by Tony Bengalis from the EAA book store that they would try
to get me to join. Not even!
Until now, its possible they just didn't care about expanding membership,
cultivating the builder network. I hope to see a change for the better.
John
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Re DC3 landings |
The DC3/C47 was arguably the plane that changed the world. Thanks for sharing--
7000 hours-- good for you.
Do not archive.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Graham and Robyn <grhewitt@globaldial.com>
>Sent: Aug 21, 2007 3:02 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re DC3 landings
>
>Hi all
>
>I recently noticed a query on the Web as whether DC3'''s could be three
>pointed.
>
>Have waited for some one to react to no avail so here is my two cents
>worth.
>
>
>
>It is many years since I last flew a DC3 but still have vivid memories
>of them.
>
>I have over 7000 hours in command of these wonderful ships and can
>certainly confirm that they may be three pointed.
>
>The exercise was always quite a challenge, & if you held off just
>slightly too high , this resulted in just enough sink to touch down with
>an almighty clang which sounded like 500 empty tin cans being crushed.
>
>On the other hand if you jagged it exactly right just as the stick was
>fully back it would be a real greaser, & extremely satisfying.
>
>This followed an approach at 81 kts and as the flair was commenced the
>power was right off & the props pushed to full fine
>
>
>
>The average pilot never risked a 3 pointer with passengers as even
>though the arrival was very safe, it took a lot of luck & judgement to
>get it right, & in most cases the pilot achieved his 3 pointer at the
>expense of subjecting his passengers to a memorable arrival.
>
>
>
>I am reminded of my DC3 days every time I plug my two hearing aids into
>my ears but reckon that being deaf is still worth it.
>
>
>
>Cheers Graham Hewitt Piet builder from Perth West Australia
>
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| Subject: | encouraging changes at EAA? |
> In my opinion, Sport Aviation has not been very good since Jack Cox
> retired as editor.
Jack Cox is still producing a high quality aviation magazine.
http://sportsmanpilot.com/
Additionally, if you want hard-core experimental aviation, you should check
out www.ContactMagazine.com Click on the link to back issues then look for
issue #72 for a free download of an older (but highly representative)
version of the magazine.
Everyone interested in experimental aviation should subscribe to BOTH of
these fine magazines; you Piet builders and/or flyers (or wannabe's like me)
should ALL subscribe to Doc Mosher's Pietenpol newsletter!
www.pietenpols.org In fact, you as a Piet builder, flyer and/or wannabe
should be ASHAMED if you are not a subscriber and supporter of Doc's work.
BUT!!! You should also belong to organizations such as EAA and AOPA for the
political things we can do in numbers that we can't do as individuals. EAA
is not about magazines; that's only a small part of the benefits of
belonging.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: encouraging changes at EAA? |
I, too, hope that EAA returns to its roots. When I was first affiliated
with EAA in the late 1960's, scratch building a homebuilt was, to my
knowledge, the only option. I flew my dad's Smith Miniplane to the last
Rockford flyin in 1969 (photo in the October 1969 edition of Sport Aviation)
and marvelled at row after row of "plans built" aircraft including the
latest offering in the simple design category--the Volksplane. I've been to
OSH twice in this century, and as many of you will note, many of the old
designs that started EAA are not numerous. Perhaps that is a reflection on
the times in which we live, but I did see a Model A-powered Air Camper that
always had people around it. That's one reason I like the BHP
designs--they remind us of a different era when a builder had to find parts
and make decisions regarding materials. Twenty years ago, I was much too
impatient to build. As I get older, the fun for me with my Sky Scout is in
the gathering, like finding the tail skid spring at a local farm supply
store and paying .19 cents for a mahagony knob for my control stick that my
wife and I found at a flea market. Each time I finish a task that I've
never done before (like machining the steel rod for my landing gear hinges),
I am encouraged to keep going. Perhaps there is a life lesson in all of
this musing.
Terry Hall
EAA 367090
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| Subject: | Re: Re DC3 landings |
Thanks Graham!
The question was posted by me. Thanks for the details.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham and Robyn
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 4:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re DC3 landings
Hi all
I recently noticed a query on the Web as whether DC3'''s could be
three pointed.
Have waited for some one to react to no avail so here is my two cents
worth.
It is many years since I last flew a DC3 but still have vivid memories
of them.
I have over 7000 hours in command of these wonderful ships and can
certainly confirm that they may be three pointed.
The exercise was always quite a challenge, & if you held off just
slightly too high , this resulted in just enough sink to touch down with
an almighty clang which sounded like 500 empty tin cans being crushed.
On the other hand if you jagged it exactly right just as the stick was
fully back it would be a real greaser, & extremely satisfying.
This followed an approach at 81 kts and as the flair was commenced the
power was right off & the props pushed to full fine
The average pilot never risked a 3 pointer with passengers as even
though the arrival was very safe, it took a lot of luck & judgement to
get it right, & in most cases the pilot achieved his 3 pointer at the
expense of subjecting his passengers to a memorable arrival.
I am reminded of my DC3 days every time I plug my two hearing aids
into my ears but reckon that being deaf is still worth it.
Cheers Graham Hewitt Piet builder from Perth West Australia
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I am considering making new headers (exhaust) for my A-75, and I am trying
to determine what is the most economical yet effective way to attach a carb
heat muff to a single exhaust pipe. Currently, my headers are shortened
Aeronca 7AC headers. Does anyone have suggestions or pictures of your carb
heat muff?
Thanks,
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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