---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/27/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:04 AM - Re: LSA and affordable flying () 2. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 3. 11:47 AM - Piets in the South (Barry Davis) 4. 12:27 PM - Sky Scout with GN-1 wing (Brian Kraut) 5. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 (walt evans) 6. 06:31 PM - Re: LSA and affordable flying (Jeff Boatright) 7. 06:50 PM - Re: LSA and affordable flying (Patrick Panzera) 8. 08:43 PM - Bending 4130 sheet (Alan Lyscars) 9. 09:18 PM - Re: LSA and affordable flying (Greg Chapman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:41 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying From: It's not just affordable the plane is in demand in some cases.Take my case for example;I was called by the Ottawa (Rockliffe) museum to fly into a day of classic aircraft yesterday which made me proud as punch to be there.I was the only Pietenpol there.While I was there I was invited to come and fly for Vintage Wings next Sunday.WOW! Carollyn said we are having a war plane display and flight and I said but I'm not a war plane and she said I don't care,get over here.WOW! I am so dam proud I may not even allow the guys I work with to talk to me today,HAHAHA!What a wonderful plane I have!You guys keep building out there and your day will come believe me! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: August 26, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying I'm going to relate my story here for the benefit of those who might be on the fence. I was 5+ years in building my first homebuilt, a single-place, VW powered high-winger called the M-19 "Flying Squirrel". I realized my flying skills were going by the wayside as my project dragged on and I was looking up at airplanes flying by a whole lot more than I was actually flying. I was also a few years away from completing the Squirrel. I needed to fly and nothing seemed affordable. I got very interested in the Pietenpol for its simplicity, 2-place capability, proven design, excellent support, and long history. Starting a second project was out of the question; that would just put flying further out of reach. One day a newly-completed Piet became available, test hours flown off, but took my breath away with a $15,000 price tag. Time to think about things. 1. There is no other complete, new, 2-place, flying aircraft that I want to fly that is available for that price. 2. Neither of the two cars in my garage (one is 8 years old, one is not even 2) cost that little. 3. Our son owns an offshore fishing boat, twin outboard, that cost more than twice that. 4. Pick up any aviation magazine and look for airplanes that can be built and flown for anything less. Not ultralights; REAL aircraft, honest 2-place aircraft. 5. See (1.) above. Write a couple of checks to Corky and let's go flying. The point is that you're not going to get into the air in anything as sturdy, as clean, as fun, as honest as a Pietenpol for anything near the cost of one so why go looking. Look at the EAA "Wood Book" and read the piece that is titled something like, "Why Not Build a Wooden Airplane?" by Tony Bingelis and look at the 3 simplest wood aircraft that he lists. The Volksplane, the Flybaby, and the Pietenpol. Only the Piet is a 2-place high-winger, and the other two designs are veritable toddlers compared to the Piet design that has been proven since the 1930s. End of lecture. Build or buy a Piet and start enjoying flying as it was meant to be! I fly as a Sport Pilot, day VFR only, and sleep well at night after falling asleep dreaming about that next flight. You can too... Oscar Zuniga NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html _________________________________________________________________ See what you're getting into...before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_050 7 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:53 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 I responded to this post, what happened to it? RS -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Franck Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 From: "Rick Holland" (Snip) The ultralight area at AirVenture was like a ghost town. The loss of the BFI thing has really killed it. (Snip) Rick The ultralight area has been in a steady decline for years. I mentioned this to EAA's Timm Bogenhagen a year ago and he didn't believe me. I don't think Timm was around EAA in the 80's when ultralights commanded their own, separate convention at Oshkosh. Those conventions were great for the ultralight community, but I don't think they generated in enough money for EAA to justify the continued support of a separate convention. In it's campaign for low cost flying, EAA has changed it's focus to L$A. The enthusiasm that it now expresses for L$A is the same enthusiasm I saw expressed 20+ years ago for ultralights. The truth is EAA realized the "mistake" made with ultralights was a lack of vehicle and pilot registration. $port Pilot and L$A have remedied that situation by requiring mandatory training and licensing of pilots and of aircraft inspection and registration. Prior to all the $port Pilot/L$A brew ha ha I was hopeful that someday Part 103 regs would allow for some changes to increase weight, speed and fuel capacity that reflects real-world flying, but, in my humble opinion, it became the sacrificial lamb offered up on the alter of negotiations when EAA was working out $port Pilot and L$A with the Feds. Ultralights have become the unwanted, red-headed stepchild that EAA no longer wants. (imho) As for the continued decline of EAA's membership numbers, it's not surprising. Those "wind in their hair" types are riding Harleys rather than going through the monetary hassles of flying. I saw the handwriting on the wall when EAA opened up the convention'$ flight line to the general public. Well, that's enough ranting for now. I've got an appointment with my fortune teller to see if there is a very light jet in my future.......... Ron Franck ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:50 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets in the South Calling all Pietenpols and builders!!! Our EAA Chapter is having a Fly-In next Month Sept. 15th. Since all 6 Big Piet Builders are Officers and members of EAA 976, we are having a Big Piet Display of an assembled, but uncovered (Corvair Powered) Piet. I have news of several Piets flying to Carrollton to be on display. Call me if you have questions. 770-834-8900 Barry Davis Carrollton, GA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:36 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout with GN-1 wing I just bought a Sky Scout project with a completed fuselage. The wing for it was used on another plane and a GN-1 wing was started for it. I have all the completed ribs plus the wood and fittings to finish the wings. Anyone else out there ever put a GN-1 wing on a Sky Scout before? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:47 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 Think it's because you responded to a "Digest" letter. Look in the archives Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 > > > I responded to this post, what happened to it? > RS > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Franck > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:59 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/25/07 > > > From: "Rick Holland" > (Snip) The ultralight area at AirVenture was like > a ghost town. The loss of the BFI thing has really killed it. (Snip) > Rick > > The ultralight area has been in a steady decline for years. I > mentioned this to EAA's Timm Bogenhagen a year ago and he didn't believe > me. I don't think Timm was around EAA in the 80's when ultralights > commanded their own, separate convention at Oshkosh. Those conventions > were > great for the ultralight community, but I don't think they generated in > enough money for EAA to justify the continued support of a separate > convention. > In it's campaign for low cost flying, EAA has changed it's focus to > L$A. The enthusiasm that it now expresses for L$A is the same enthusiasm I > saw expressed 20+ years ago for ultralights. The truth is EAA realized the > "mistake" made with ultralights was a lack of vehicle and pilot > registration. $port Pilot and L$A have remedied that situation by > requiring > mandatory training and licensing of pilots and of aircraft inspection and > registration. Prior to all the $port Pilot/L$A brew ha ha I was hopeful > that someday Part 103 regs would allow for some changes to increase > weight, > speed and fuel capacity that reflects real-world flying, but, in my humble > opinion, it became the sacrificial lamb offered up on the alter of > negotiations when EAA was working out $port Pilot and L$A with the Feds. > Ultralights have become the unwanted, red-headed stepchild that EAA no > longer wants. (imho) > As for the continued decline of EAA's membership numbers, it's not > surprising. Those "wind in their hair" types are riding Harleys rather > than > going through the monetary hassles of flying. I saw the handwriting on the > wall when EAA opened up the convention'$ flight line to the general > public. > Well, that's enough ranting for now. I've got an appointment with my > fortune teller to see if there is a very light jet in my future.......... > Ron Franck > > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:12 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying Oscar, I don't know what you do for a day job, but you need to write a book. You're the next Richard Bach: > I fly as a Sport Pilot, day VFR only, and sleep well at night >after falling asleep dreaming about that next flight. You can too... > >Oscar Zuniga >NX41CC >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:00 PM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying > Oscar, > > I don't know what you do for a day job, but you need to write a book. > You're the next Richard Bach: > > > I fly as a Sport Pilot, day VFR only, and sleep well at night > >after falling asleep dreaming about that next flight. You can too... > > Oscar Zuniga Seagull? Pat ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:36 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Fellows, Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063 steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what?? All thoughts appreciated by, Al in Portland, Maine ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:35 PM PST US From: Greg Chapman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying Oscar Zuniga SeatenPol BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6). Greg Patrick Panzera wrote: > >> Oscar, >> >> I don't know what you do for a day job, but you need to write a book. >> You're the next Richard Bach: >> >>> I fly as a Sport Pilot, day VFR only, and sleep well at night >>> after falling asleep dreaming about that next flight. You can too... >>> > > Oscar Zuniga Seagull? > > Pat > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.