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1. 02:39 AM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Ed G.)
2. 02:41 AM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Ed G.)
3. 05:46 AM - dropping names (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: dropping names (Brian Kraut)
5. 07:55 AM - Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
6. 07:56 AM - Re: dropping names (Greg Chapman)
7. 09:46 AM - Lift strut ends? (Scott Schreiber)
8. 12:01 PM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Alan Lyscars)
9. 12:21 PM - brodhead pictures (Steve Eldredge)
10. 05:26 PM - Re: Value of EAA (Rick Holland)
11. 05:33 PM - Re: Value of EAA (Rick Holland)
12. 06:51 PM - FW: LSA and affordable flying (Patrick Panzera)
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Subject: | Re: Bending 4130 sheet |
Hi Al...If you have Uncle Tony's " Sport Plane Construction Techniques"
The yellow book...He goes through the proceedure step by step on page
49. You bend the first 90 as ussual with your brnding blocks and then
make a tapered hardwood block to make the second bend. I always cut the
blank a little long and trim it after bending rather than try to figure
for bending allowance and do any drilling after making the bends. Make
sure the metal is square to the bending block on the first bend
otherwise the fitting will come out twisted. What would we do without
Uncle Tony???!!!..Have fun....Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars<mailto:alyscars@maine.rr.com>
To: Piet List<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Fellows,
Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063
steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of
you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between
the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a
bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what??
All thoughts appreciated by,
Al in Portland, Maine
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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Subject: | Re: Bending 4130 sheet |
Oh....And always bend 4130 perpendicular to the grain of the steel. The
printing on the sheet runs with the grain. But you probably knew
that.....Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars<mailto:alyscars@maine.rr.com>
To: Piet List<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Fellows,
Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063
steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of
you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between
the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a
bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what??
All thoughts appreciated by,
Al in Portland, Maine
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote-
>I just bought a Sky Scout project with a completed fuselage.
Hey, Brian- what are you doing here on the Piet list? Aren't you a KR guy?
The Piet/Sky Scout cruise speed is lower than the stall speed of a KR! ;o)
And Greg wrote-
>BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your
>airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6).
Would that be Joe Czaplicki? He and Corky, as well as test pilot Edwin,
have sent me some nice items to fill in the history behind 41CC... notes,
photos. It's a well-documented build. And the airplane logs made for some
very interesting and helpful reading and gave the airplane a much deeper
character to me.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
_________________________________________________________________
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I had been meaning to ask you if you still had your KR when I saw that you
were on this list.
All part of my quest to have owned one of everything before I die!
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: dropping names
"Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote-
>I just bought a Sky Scout project with a completed fuselage.
Hey, Brian- what are you doing here on the Piet list? Aren't you a KR guy?
The Piet/Sky Scout cruise speed is lower than the stall speed of a KR! ;o)
And Greg wrote-
>BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your
>airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6).
Would that be Joe Czaplicki? He and Corky, as well as test pilot Edwin,
have sent me some nice items to fill in the history behind 41CC... notes,
photos. It's a well-documented build. And the airplane logs made for some
very interesting and helpful reading and gave the airplane a much deeper
character to me.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
_________________________________________________________________
Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place!
http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us
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Subject: | Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
I just finished reading Sammy Mason's "Stall, Spin, Safety" book. To you
current Piet flyers out there who have the Corvair engine and longer
fuselage what are the stall spin characteristics of the Pietenpol?
Anyone out there done much spin testing ? I would be interested in knowing
about fuel tank arrangements, gross weight, pilot and passenger weight
limitations and characteristics? And where the battery is placed to
accommodate better spin recovery.
I am starting to add on to my Piet project and am interested in any input
about elevator travel, etc. in regards to spin recovery.
Rob Stapleton
www.AlaskaSportPilotCenter.net
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Yep, that would be him. We were yakkin' (more like, I was yakkin) and he
started telling me about the Piet he started and sold to Corky and so on. He
was about two sentences in to the story when I started recognizing details.
It's fascinating because it's rare to see a machine carry that much interest
in its background throughout its life!
Greg Chapman
http://www.mousetrax.com
http://www.layer1wireless.com
"Don't start with me or I'll
replace you with a small and
efficient script!"
> And Greg wrote-
>
> >BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your
> >airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6).
>
> Would that be Joe Czaplicki? He and Corky, as well as test pilot
> Edwin,
> have sent me some nice items to fill in the history behind 41CC...
> notes,
> photos. It's a well-documented build. And the airplane logs made for
> some
> very interesting and helpful reading and gave the airplane a much
> deeper
> character to me.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: | Lift strut ends? |
I have the alumimum strut set and the wing side fitting is easy enough
to do. What have people done for fuselage side fittings? I saw the fork
and barrel that wicks sells and the barrel is definatly designed for the
steel struts.
-Scott
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Subject: | Re: Bending 4130 sheet |
Ed-
You're a pal.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed G.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Oh....And always bend 4130 perpendicular to the grain of the steel.
The printing on the sheet runs with the grain. But you probably knew
that.....Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lyscars
To: Piet List
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Fellows,
Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some
.063 steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those
of you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2"
between the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct
a bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what??
All thoughts appreciated by,
Al in Portland, Maine
title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | brodhead pictures |
Does anyone have a picture of a big yellow Stinson landing at Brodhead on S
aturday? I have a picture of you taking our picture, I'd like to trade...
Steve E
Low and Slow Since 1929
Pietenpol Aircamper
steve@byu.edu<mailto:steve@byu.edu>
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Subject: | Re: Value of EAA |
Amen brother
On 8/26/07, Graham Hansen <ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe the best thing is to build yourself a Pietenpol, have fun flying it
> around the patch, and just let the rest of the world go by.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Value of EAA |
Amen brother
On 8/26/07, Graham Hansen <ghans@cable-lynx.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe the best thing is to build yourself a Pietenpol, have fun flying it
> around the patch, and just let the rest of the world go by.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | LSA and affordable flying |
Oscar Zuniga Seagull's story is very inspirational to say the least; so
inspirational in fact it had me cruising throughout Barnstormers trying to
find something "affordable" (and flying) that I could get into quickly.
What I found was really what I've thought all along... that "affordability"
is in the eye of the beholder. (Please see the subject line for the
applicability of the previous statement.)
In a matter of about thirty minutes I found close to 100 planes (that I
could buy today and fly tomorrow) that meet LSA minimums and cost between
$8,000 and $28,000, and the number easily doubles if I want to go as high as
$48,000. And I'm not talking all of them being flying lawn chairs with
two-strokes. Sure, there are several of those in the count, but everything I
considered is N numbered. And I went through maybe 25-35% of all the
experimentals on Barnstormers, so odds are good that another 100-200 could
be found and added to the list if I exhausted the search.
As a side note, if we wanted to up the ante to all available experimental
aircraft for sale (many too fast or too heavy for LSA) the number I found
under $28k explodes to over 350, and again, I only looked through maybe 35%
of the database. Bear in mind, I was looking in the $15,000 range per OZ's
criteria, and the vast number of planes ($12k-$18k) represents the majority.
If we expand our "affordable" LSA search to include basket cases, incomplete
projects or derelict non-flying (but had flown in the past) the count total
count jumps an easy 50 or so.
So the reality of it is that if you want to fly, LSA or PPL, the $100k S-LSA
planes that are all the rave of our favorite publications are not by any
means a limiting factor. LSA is not just for rich guys who are in fear of
losing their medicals.
I myself just bought into 1/5 of a $25k experimental that meets the LSA
minimums, but it's still not flying. :(
A few more weekends of wrenching however should get it in the air.
www.ContactMagazine.com/s-10/s-10.jpg
Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:33 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying
>
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> I'm going to relate my story here for the benefit of those who might be on
> the fence.
>
> I was 5+ years in building my first homebuilt, a single-place, VW powered
> high-winger called the M-19 "Flying Squirrel". I realized my flying
> skills
> were going by the wayside as my project dragged on and I was looking up at
> airplanes flying by a whole lot more than I was actually flying. I was
> also
> a few years away from completing the Squirrel. I needed to fly and
> nothing
> seemed affordable.
>
> I got very interested in the Pietenpol for its simplicity, 2-place
> capability, proven design, excellent support, and long history. Starting
> a
> second project was out of the question; that would just put flying further
> out of reach. One day a newly-completed Piet became available, test hours
> flown off, but took my breath away with a $15,000 price tag. Time to
> think
> about things.
>
> 1. There is no other complete, new, 2-place, flying aircraft that I want
> to
> fly that is available for that price.
>
> 2. Neither of the two cars in my garage (one is 8 years old, one is not
> even
> 2) cost that little.
>
> 3. Our son owns an offshore fishing boat, twin outboard, that cost more
> than
> twice that.
>
> 4. Pick up any aviation magazine and look for airplanes that can be built
> and flown for anything less. Not ultralights; REAL aircraft, honest 2-
> place
> aircraft.
>
> 5. See (1.) above. Write a couple of checks to Corky and let's go flying.
>
> The point is that you're not going to get into the air in anything as
> sturdy, as clean, as fun, as honest as a Pietenpol for anything near the
> cost of one so why go looking. Look at the EAA "Wood Book" and read the
> piece that is titled something like, "Why Not Build a Wooden Airplane?" by
> Tony Bingelis and look at the 3 simplest wood aircraft that he lists. The
> Volksplane, the Flybaby, and the Pietenpol. Only the Piet is a 2-place
> high-winger, and the other two designs are veritable toddlers compared to
> the Piet design that has been proven since the 1930s.
>
> End of lecture. Build or buy a Piet and start enjoying flying as it was
> meant to be! I fly as a Sport Pilot, day VFR only, and sleep well at
> night
> after falling asleep dreaming about that next flight. You can too...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
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