---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/28/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:39 AM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Ed G.) 2. 02:41 AM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Ed G.) 3. 05:46 AM - dropping names (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: dropping names (Brian Kraut) 5. 07:55 AM - Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 6. 07:56 AM - Re: dropping names (Greg Chapman) 7. 09:46 AM - Lift strut ends? (Scott Schreiber) 8. 12:01 PM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Alan Lyscars) 9. 12:21 PM - brodhead pictures (Steve Eldredge) 10. 05:26 PM - Re: Value of EAA (Rick Holland) 11. 05:33 PM - Re: Value of EAA (Rick Holland) 12. 06:51 PM - FW: LSA and affordable flying (Patrick Panzera) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:38 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Hi Al...If you have Uncle Tony's " Sport Plane Construction Techniques" The yellow book...He goes through the proceedure step by step on page 49. You bend the first 90 as ussual with your brnding blocks and then make a tapered hardwood block to make the second bend. I always cut the blank a little long and trim it after bending rather than try to figure for bending allowance and do any drilling after making the bends. Make sure the metal is square to the bending block on the first bend otherwise the fitting will come out twisted. What would we do without Uncle Tony???!!!..Have fun....Ed G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Fellows, Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063 steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what?? All thoughts appreciated by, Al in Portland, Maine http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:08 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Oh....And always bend 4130 perpendicular to the grain of the steel. The printing on the sheet runs with the grain. But you probably knew that.....Ed G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Fellows, Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063 steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what?? All thoughts appreciated by, Al in Portland, Maine http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:13 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: dropping names "Brian Kraut" wrote- >I just bought a Sky Scout project with a completed fuselage. Hey, Brian- what are you doing here on the Piet list? Aren't you a KR guy? The Piet/Sky Scout cruise speed is lower than the stall speed of a KR! ;o) And Greg wrote- >BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your >airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6). Would that be Joe Czaplicki? He and Corky, as well as test pilot Edwin, have sent me some nice items to fill in the history behind 41CC... notes, photos. It's a well-documented build. And the airplane logs made for some very interesting and helpful reading and gave the airplane a much deeper character to me. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:06 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: dropping names I had been meaning to ask you if you still had your KR when I saw that you were on this list. All part of my quest to have owned one of everything before I die! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: dropping names "Brian Kraut" wrote- >I just bought a Sky Scout project with a completed fuselage. Hey, Brian- what are you doing here on the Piet list? Aren't you a KR guy? The Piet/Sky Scout cruise speed is lower than the stall speed of a KR! ;o) And Greg wrote- >BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your >airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6). Would that be Joe Czaplicki? He and Corky, as well as test pilot Edwin, have sent me some nice items to fill in the history behind 41CC... notes, photos. It's a well-documented build. And the airplane logs made for some very interesting and helpful reading and gave the airplane a much deeper character to me. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:45 AM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? I just finished reading Sammy Mason's "Stall, Spin, Safety" book. To you current Piet flyers out there who have the Corvair engine and longer fuselage what are the stall spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? Anyone out there done much spin testing ? I would be interested in knowing about fuel tank arrangements, gross weight, pilot and passenger weight limitations and characteristics? And where the battery is placed to accommodate better spin recovery. I am starting to add on to my Piet project and am interested in any input about elevator travel, etc. in regards to spin recovery. Rob Stapleton www.AlaskaSportPilotCenter.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:13 AM PST US From: "Greg Chapman" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: dropping names Yep, that would be him. We were yakkin' (more like, I was yakkin) and he started telling me about the Piet he started and sold to Corky and so on. He was about two sentences in to the story when I started recognizing details. It's fascinating because it's rare to see a machine carry that much interest in its background throughout its life! Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com http://www.layer1wireless.com "Don't start with me or I'll replace you with a small and efficient script!" > And Greg wrote- > > >BTW, Oscar, I met the guy who started the original build of your > >airplane this weekend up at my home field (5k6). > > Would that be Joe Czaplicki? He and Corky, as well as test pilot > Edwin, > have sent me some nice items to fill in the history behind 41CC... > notes, > photos. It's a well-documented build. And the airplane logs made for > some > very interesting and helpful reading and gave the airplane a much > deeper > character to me. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:00 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lift strut ends? I have the alumimum strut set and the wing side fitting is easy enough to do. What have people done for fuselage side fittings? I saw the fork and barrel that wicks sells and the barrel is definatly designed for the steel struts. -Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:38 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Ed- You're a pal. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed G. To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Oh....And always bend 4130 perpendicular to the grain of the steel. The printing on the sheet runs with the grain. But you probably knew that.....Ed G. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Lyscars To: Piet List Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet Fellows, Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063 steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what?? All thoughts appreciated by, Al in Portland, Maine title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:19 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: Pietenpol-List: brodhead pictures Does anyone have a picture of a big yellow Stinson landing at Brodhead on S aturday? I have a picture of you taking our picture, I'd like to trade... Steve E Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper steve@byu.edu ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:32 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Value of EAA Amen brother On 8/26/07, Graham Hansen wrote: > > Maybe the best thing is to build yourself a Pietenpol, have fun flying it > around the patch, and just let the rest of the world go by. > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:32 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Value of EAA Amen brother On 8/26/07, Graham Hansen wrote: > > Maybe the best thing is to build yourself a Pietenpol, have fun flying it > around the patch, and just let the rest of the world go by. > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:16 PM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: FW: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying Oscar Zuniga Seagull's story is very inspirational to say the least; so inspirational in fact it had me cruising throughout Barnstormers trying to find something "affordable" (and flying) that I could get into quickly. What I found was really what I've thought all along... that "affordability" is in the eye of the beholder. (Please see the subject line for the applicability of the previous statement.) In a matter of about thirty minutes I found close to 100 planes (that I could buy today and fly tomorrow) that meet LSA minimums and cost between $8,000 and $28,000, and the number easily doubles if I want to go as high as $48,000. And I'm not talking all of them being flying lawn chairs with two-strokes. Sure, there are several of those in the count, but everything I considered is N numbered. And I went through maybe 25-35% of all the experimentals on Barnstormers, so odds are good that another 100-200 could be found and added to the list if I exhausted the search. As a side note, if we wanted to up the ante to all available experimental aircraft for sale (many too fast or too heavy for LSA) the number I found under $28k explodes to over 350, and again, I only looked through maybe 35% of the database. Bear in mind, I was looking in the $15,000 range per OZ's criteria, and the vast number of planes ($12k-$18k) represents the majority. If we expand our "affordable" LSA search to include basket cases, incomplete projects or derelict non-flying (but had flown in the past) the count total count jumps an easy 50 or so. So the reality of it is that if you want to fly, LSA or PPL, the $100k S-LSA planes that are all the rave of our favorite publications are not by any means a limiting factor. LSA is not just for rich guys who are in fear of losing their medicals. I myself just bought into 1/5 of a $25k experimental that meets the LSA minimums, but it's still not flying. :( A few more weekends of wrenching however should get it in the air. www.ContactMagazine.com/s-10/s-10.jpg Pat > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol- > list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:33 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying > > > > I'm going to relate my story here for the benefit of those who might be on > the fence. > > I was 5+ years in building my first homebuilt, a single-place, VW powered > high-winger called the M-19 "Flying Squirrel". I realized my flying > skills > were going by the wayside as my project dragged on and I was looking up at > airplanes flying by a whole lot more than I was actually flying. I was > also > a few years away from completing the Squirrel. I needed to fly and > nothing > seemed affordable. > > I got very interested in the Pietenpol for its simplicity, 2-place > capability, proven design, excellent support, and long history. Starting > a > second project was out of the question; that would just put flying further > out of reach. One day a newly-completed Piet became available, test hours > flown off, but took my breath away with a $15,000 price tag. Time to > think > about things. > > 1. There is no other complete, new, 2-place, flying aircraft that I want > to > fly that is available for that price. > > 2. Neither of the two cars in my garage (one is 8 years old, one is not > even > 2) cost that little. > > 3. Our son owns an offshore fishing boat, twin outboard, that cost more > than > twice that. > > 4. Pick up any aviation magazine and look for airplanes that can be built > and flown for anything less. Not ultralights; REAL aircraft, honest 2- > place > aircraft. > > 5. See (1.) above. Write a couple of checks to Corky and let's go flying. > > The point is that you're not going to get into the air in anything as > sturdy, as clean, as fun, as honest as a Pietenpol for anything near the > cost of one so why go looking. Look at the EAA "Wood Book" and read the > piece that is titled something like, "Why Not Build a Wooden Airplane?" by > Tony Bingelis and look at the 3 simplest wood aircraft that he lists. The > Volksplane, the Flybaby, and the Pietenpol. Only the Piet is a 2-place > high-winger, and the other two designs are veritable toddlers compared to > the Piet design that has been proven since the 1930s. > > End of lecture. Build or buy a Piet and start enjoying flying as it was > meant to be! I fly as a Sport Pilot, day VFR only, and sleep well at > night > after falling asleep dreaming about that next flight. You can too... > > Oscar Zuniga > NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.