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1. 04:04 AM - Re: LSA and affordable flying (Gene & Tammy)
2. 05:12 AM - Re: LSA and affordable flying ()
3. 06:02 AM - Re: LSA and affordable flying (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? (shad bell)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: A Good Weekend. (shad bell)
6. 06:32 AM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Tom Bernie)
7. 06:53 AM - Re: LSA and affordable flying (Max Hegler)
8. 06:56 AM - New Guy (Tim White)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: Bending 4130 sheet (Alan Lyscars)
10. 07:30 AM - Re: New Guy (Rob Hart)
11. 08:17 AM - Re: New Guy (Tim White)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: New Guy (Terry Hall)
13. 11:07 AM - Aircraft Control Cables (Terry Hall)
14. 11:22 AM - Re: Aircraft Control Cables ()
15. 12:38 PM - Re: New Guy (Skip Gadd)
16. 03:24 PM - Re: Aircraft Control Cables (Richard Schreiber)
17. 03:31 PM - Re: A Good Weekend. (Peter W Johnson)
18. 04:05 PM - Re: New Guy (walt evans)
19. 04:32 PM - Re: New Guy (Tim White)
20. 07:06 PM - Re: Aircraft Control Cables (Dick Navratil)
21. 08:02 PM - Re: Aircraft Control Cables (Scott Schreiber)
22. 08:34 PM - Re: Aircraft Control Cables (Rcaprd@aol.com)
23. 08:40 PM - Ride in a Piet. (davissign)
24. 08:46 PM - Re: New Guy (Rcaprd@aol.com)
25. 08:57 PM - Re: Ride in a Piet. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
26. 09:21 PM - Re: Ride in a Piet. (davissign)
27. 09:33 PM - Re: Ride in a Piet. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
28. 11:27 PM - Alaska Pietenpol dreaming (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
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| Subject: | Re: LSA and affordable flying |
And speaking of "the eye of the beholder" I can't help wondering just what
a "real Plane" is. I've had the good fortune to fly a goodly number of
airplanes, from unltrlights to a KingAir and in-between. Each time I became
airborn I thought I was in a "real airplane". I consider myself to be way
above average in the Careful department and there have been some airplanes I
won't set in, let alone fly in. I have seen wonderful ultralights,
experimentals, and certified aircraft and I have seen awful ultralights,
experimentals and certified aircraft.
We wonder why so few go into flying and of those that do, not all that many
stay involved thru the years. One of the negative things about flying is it
seems to attract folks that feel that if you don't have what they have, you
don't have a real airplane. My friend that owns the KingAir has many
thousands of hours flying but yet has never flown in an experimental and
says their not a "real" plane and wishes the FAA would do away with them as
they clutter up the airports. Like Oscar, I didn't build my Piet but bought
it. I fell in love with it at first sight. Another friend (he owns a high
performance airplane) told me he thinks the Piet is the ugliest plane he has
ever seen and he knows where there is a plane just like his I should buy.
I guess I'm just tired of others bad mouthing airplanes they know nothing
about. I wonder how many folks have been turned away from flying because
they don't have the $15,000 or know anyone they can go in with to buy an
airplane. What is wrong with buying a "good" ultralight with a two-stroke
for 3 or 4 thousand and enjoy flying while building their Piet? (I've got
over 500 hours on two-strokes and have yet had one fail me).
My other world is boating and there I find a completely different attitude
than I find in flying. For the most part no matter the size of your boat
your welcome in most any group of boaters. You just don't hear "That's not
a real boat, it has a two-stroke". Their attitude lets everyone have fun.
Wish more pilots had that attitude. Just might help.
Gene
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| Subject: | LSA and affordable flying |
AMEN TO ALL OF THAT BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: August 29, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying
<zharvey@bellsouth.net>
And speaking of "the eye of the beholder" I can't help wondering just
what
a "real Plane" is. I've had the good fortune to fly a goodly number of
airplanes, from unltrlights to a KingAir and in-between. Each time I
became
airborn I thought I was in a "real airplane". I consider myself to be
way
above average in the Careful department and there have been some
airplanes I
won't set in, let alone fly in. I have seen wonderful ultralights,
experimentals, and certified aircraft and I have seen awful ultralights,
experimentals and certified aircraft.
We wonder why so few go into flying and of those that do, not all that
many
stay involved thru the years. One of the negative things about flying
is it
seems to attract folks that feel that if you don't have what they have,
you
don't have a real airplane. My friend that owns the KingAir has many
thousands of hours flying but yet has never flown in an experimental and
says their not a "real" plane and wishes the FAA would do away with them
as
they clutter up the airports. Like Oscar, I didn't build my Piet but
bought
it. I fell in love with it at first sight. Another friend (he owns a
high
performance airplane) told me he thinks the Piet is the ugliest plane he
has
ever seen and he knows where there is a plane just like his I should
buy.
I guess I'm just tired of others bad mouthing airplanes they know
nothing
about. I wonder how many folks have been turned away from flying
because
they don't have the $15,000 or know anyone they can go in with to buy an
airplane. What is wrong with buying a "good" ultralight with a
two-stroke
for 3 or 4 thousand and enjoy flying while building their Piet? (I've
got
over 500 hours on two-strokes and have yet had one fail me).
My other world is boating and there I find a completely different
attitude
than I find in flying. For the most part no matter the size of your
boat
your welcome in most any group of boaters. You just don't hear "That's
not
a real boat, it has a two-stroke". Their attitude lets everyone have
fun.
Wish more pilots had that attitude. Just might help.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: LSA and affordable flying |
If you look in the right places they are to be found.
see ebay item 280145791850
Though many of us on the initial stages of the family financial happiness
(stability?) curve would not yet necessarily have the CFO's (chief financial
officer) blessing to spend the funds on such toys even at this quite
reasonable price for a "real" 180 mph go places airplane.
This happens to be George Graham's home built one of a kind e-racer. A true
amateur scratch built "Sperimental" with some unique features. The fuselage
of his own design, is actually wooden and not composite. And he uses a
naturally aspirated Mazda rotary 13b out of a 1986 RX-7 and original dual
plug/point distributor auto ignition. Sadly we lost George last week to a
rather sudden and fast progressing cancer. One of George's innovations is
the redrive he created out of the original RX7 tansmision. He flew it for
about 200 hrs before a failure led him to replace it with the RWS/Tracy
Crook unit instead.
Michael in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Spin characteristics of the Pietenpol? |
Rob, I have been flying my father's Piet NX92GB quite a bit in the last few weeks,
which has a corvair engine. I have done both power on and off stalls. If
rigged properly, I think you would have to really try to get in to a spin. Even
with the nose up in about a 40 degree angle and a full stall it doesn't seem
to fall off into a spin. I would be a little scared to intentionally spin
a piet. I think it would recover fine but could exceed vne if your not carefull.
Keep your CG where it is called for in the plans, Keep it cordinated when
flying, and as far as a stall lower the nose and your flying again. Unless
you were tail heavy I think the tail "stalls" (quits holding the nose up) well
before the wing stalls. We also put about 1-1.5 inches of washout in our wing,
so the tip stalls last, and it will help keep the stall gental.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: A Good Weekend. |
Peter, Just wondering what oil temp you are getting now. Where is your oil temp
probe located on your engine? We moved ours to the lower rear case on the r/h
side below the pushrod tube. The first engine we had it located in the bottom
of the oil pan. The old system usually read about 230-240, and now it reads
260 in cruise and can go as high as 270 or so at extended full power opperation.
I am wondering if we are picking up heat from the #1 cylinder, through
the case. While doing touch and goes the oil temp will drop 20 degrees, from
downwind to touchdown, Seems oil would not cool down this fast?
Shad
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| Subject: | Bending 4130 sheet |
Al,
You bend the first 90 degree in your two part block. The second bend
requires a tapered single block =BD=94 at the top and longer than the
fitting so it can be held horizontal in a vice (like on page 50 the
Bingelis book). Attached are a few pictures that may help.
Good Luck,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester, Mass
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Lyscars
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Fellows,
Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063
steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of
you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between
the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a
bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what??
All thoughts appreciated by,
Al in Portland, Maine
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| Subject: | LSA and affordable flying |
I have also flown ultralights and many military planes and I find that
pilots who make statements like that usually are not happy flying. I have a
friend in the Air Force that is a flight surgeon and also a psychiatrist.
In studies about the psyche of pilots, he said to many pilots, flying is
just a "job" to them and many actually have a fear of flying. They would
never consider flying anything that they have not had a year of training.
When most of these types retire or leave the service, they never fly
again...and that is not a loss.
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: LSA and affordable flying
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> And speaking of "the eye of the beholder" I can't help wondering just
> what a "real Plane" is. I've had the good fortune to fly a goodly number
> of airplanes, from unltrlights to a KingAir and in-between. Each time I
> became airborn I thought I was in a "real airplane". I consider myself to
> be way above average in the Careful department and there have been some
> airplanes I won't set in, let alone fly in. I have seen wonderful
> ultralights, experimentals, and certified aircraft and I have seen awful
> ultralights, experimentals and certified aircraft.
> We wonder why so few go into flying and of those that do, not all that
> many stay involved thru the years. One of the negative things about
> flying is it seems to attract folks that feel that if you don't have what
> they have, you don't have a real airplane. My friend that owns the
> KingAir has many thousands of hours flying but yet has never flown in an
> experimental and says their not a "real" plane and wishes the FAA would do
> away with them as they clutter up the airports. Like Oscar, I didn't
> build my Piet but bought it. I fell in love with it at first sight.
> Another friend (he owns a high performance airplane) told me he thinks the
> Piet is the ugliest plane he has ever seen and he knows where there is a
> plane just like his I should buy.
> I guess I'm just tired of others bad mouthing airplanes they know nothing
> about. I wonder how many folks have been turned away from flying because
> they don't have the $15,000 or know anyone they can go in with to buy an
> airplane. What is wrong with buying a "good" ultralight with a two-stroke
> for 3 or 4 thousand and enjoy flying while building their Piet? (I've
> got over 500 hours on two-strokes and have yet had one fail me).
> My other world is boating and there I find a completely different attitude
> than I find in flying. For the most part no matter the size of your boat
> your welcome in most any group of boaters. You just don't hear "That's
> not a real boat, it has a two-stroke". Their attitude lets everyone have
> fun. Wish more pilots had that attitude. Just might help.
> Gene
>
>
>
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I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to
build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to
a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar),
but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up
close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a
free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money.
I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in
this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
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| Subject: | Re: Bending 4130 sheet |
Thanks, Tom-
I appreciate the pics, too!
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Bernie
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Al,
You bend the first 90 degree in your two part block. The second bend
requires a tapered single block =BD" at the top and longer than the
fitting so it can be held horizontal in a vice (like on page 50 the
Bingelis book). Attached are a few pictures that may help.
Good Luck,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester, Mass
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Lyscars
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:48 PM
To: Piet List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending 4130 sheet
Fellows,
Help...I've fallen and I can't get up! I'm ready to bend up some .063
steel in a U-shape for pulley brackets (drawing # 800-05 for those of
you with plans) for my GN-1. The rough dim. is 2"x2" with 1/2" between
the sides. I don't have access to a brake, but I did construct a
bending block the way Uncle Tony Bengelis said to. Now what??
All thoughts appreciated by,
Al in Portland, Maine
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Hi Tim
Welcome on board. You will find the members of the list more than accomoda
ting with both advice and opportunities to share in their experiences. Bei
ng from Western Australia, and still in the early phases of building VH-PTN
, an extended fuselage Piet, I cannot offer anything more than encouragemen
t and best wishes. You'll not find yourself wanting in either the aircraft
or the esteemed members of the list. Make the most of both!Cheers
Rob
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=503&FName=R
ob&LName=Hart&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
From: aa5flyer@gmail.comTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-
List: New GuyDate: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:29 -0400
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build
a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pieten
pol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I stil
l have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it
(for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want
to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Oh
io and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
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Rob
Thanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your
builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).
Thanks,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hart
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Hi Tim
Welcome on board. You will find the members of the list more than
accomodating with both advice and opportunities to share in their
experiences. Being from Western Australia, and still in the early
phases of building VH-PTN, an extended fuselage Piet, I cannot offer
anything more than encouragement and best wishes. You'll not find
yourself wanting in either the aircraft or the esteemed members of the
list. Make the most of both!
Cheers
Rob
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=503&FName=
Rob&LName=Hart&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
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From: aa5flyer@gmail.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:29 -0400
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to
build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to
a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar),
but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up
close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a
free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money.
I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in
this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
p://forums.matronics.com
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Tim,
Are you considering buying or building? Just wondering.
Terry Hall
Sky Scout builder
Ada, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Rob
Thanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your
builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).
Thanks,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hart
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Hi Tim
Welcome on board. You will find the members of the list more than
accomodating with both advice and opportunities to share in their
experiences. Being from Western Australia, and still in the early
phases of building VH-PTN, an extended fuselage Piet, I cannot offer
anything more than encouragement and best wishes. You'll not find
yourself wanting in either the aircraft or the esteemed members of the
list. Make the most of both!
Cheers
Rob
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=503&FName=
Rob&LName=Hart&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
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From: aa5flyer@gmail.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:29 -0400
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided
to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently
to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his
hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a
Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not
looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start
investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a
Pietenpol owner in this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
p://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Aircraft Control Cables |
Hello everyone,
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can
buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts
suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in price.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Terry Hall
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| Subject: | Aircraft Control Cables |
More money at aircraft parts suppliers most of the time.There are some
things ya just can't get at your local hardware store though,such as an
altimeter gauge.Then again there may be some hardware stores down
through the states that you probably could find such an item.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Hall
Sent: August 29, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Hello everyone,
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can
buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts
suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in price.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Terry Hall
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Tim, Welcome to the list. I have a GN-1 in Parkersburg WV you can sit in. I am
about 1 1/2 hours 172 time or 4 hours auto time away from Springfield.
The GN-1's pilot pit is somewhat smaller than that of any Piet. GN-1 is 23 1/4".
1934 plans Piet is 29" and the Corvair Piet is 31". These dimensions are before
add on stuff like seat back, seat back foam, instrument panel and cock pit
coaming.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
Sent: 8/29/2007 10:00:25 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol.
I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder
(His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many
questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and
ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter
before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to
visit a Pietenpol owner in this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
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| Subject: | Aircraft Control Cables |
Terry,
I asked my AP-IA the same question and he said the local cable (if it is labeled
aircraft) is perfectly OK. When I checked prices, Aircraft Spruce was actually
cheaper, so I went with Aircraft Spruce.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
Sent: 8/29/2007 1:15:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Hello everyone,
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can buy locally
and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts suppliers? Both
cables appear identical including similarity in price. Any thoughts appreciated.
Terry Hall
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Shad,
Oil temps are around 220F on a 70F day. The probe is mounted in the normal
Corvair place on the oil filter adapter housing. According to WW this puts
it just before the oil cooler.
Cheers
Peter.
Wonthaggi Australia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A Good Weekend.
Peter, Just wondering what oil temp you are getting now. Where is your oil
temp probe located on your engine? We moved ours to the lower rear case on
the r/h side below the pushrod tube. The first engine we had it located in
the bottom of the oil pan. The old system usually read about 230-240, and
now it reads 260 in cruise and can go as high as 270 or so at extended full
power opperation. I am wondering if we are picking up heat from the #1
cylinder, through the case. While doing touch and goes the oil temp will
drop 20 degrees, from downwind to touchdown, Seems oil would not cool down
this fast?
Shad
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Tim,
If ever out New Jersey way, you can look at mine, and weather
permitting, give you a ride.
Let me know and I'll send a phone #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLrIDeDLR48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeyWuY2Gmpg
Took two friends named Don for a flight.
check out the sites on youtube.cam
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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From: Tim White
To: pietenpol list
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to
build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to
a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar),
but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up
close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a
free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money.
I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in
this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
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Terry,
Although there are finished and partially finished projects for sale,
most are of some distance. I've strongly considered travelling to look
at them, but my wife told me she thought the whole idea was to build the
plane myself and she was right! Therefore I'm building from scratch,
but have many questions regarding engine, short or long fuselage, wider,
door for passenger, GN-1 or original, etc.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Tim,
Are you considering buying or building? Just wondering.
Terry Hall
Sky Scout builder
Ada, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Rob
Thanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your
builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).
Thanks,
Tim
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From: Rob Hart
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Hi Tim
Welcome on board. You will find the members of the list more than
accomodating with both advice and opportunities to share in their
experiences. Being from Western Australia, and still in the early
phases of building VH-PTN, an extended fuselage Piet, I cannot offer
anything more than encouragement and best wishes. You'll not find
yourself wanting in either the aircraft or the esteemed members of the
list. Make the most of both!
Cheers
Rob
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=503&FName=
Rob&LName=Hart&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
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From: aa5flyer@gmail.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:29 -0400
I've been reading this list for about two months and have
decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked
frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging
in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a
Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not
looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start
investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a
Pietenpol owner in this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Control Cables |
If it is real aircraft control cable there is no difference. The sure
way to tell is closely looking inside the strands of wire. There should
be thin strands of red fibers in the cable. It is there to tell you if
the cable has been over stressed. If it has the fibers break and stick
out of the windings. ( little red flags)
Dick N.
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From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Hello everyone,
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can
buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts
suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in price.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Terry Hall
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Control Cables |
I have seen he same cable at hardware stores and it is called aircraft
cable, it is also labled with a warning not to be used for aircraft. I
didn't know about the red fiber test. Is that on all aircraft cable or
just some? I have never seen it while cutting the cable I have from
wicks.
-scott
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From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
If it is real aircraft control cable there is no difference. The sure
way to tell is closely looking inside the strands of wire. There should
be thin strands of red fibers in the cable. It is there to tell you if
the cable has been over stressed. If it has the fibers break and stick
out of the windings. ( little red flags)
Dick N.
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From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Hello everyone,
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I
can buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft
parts suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in
price. Any thoughts appreciated.
Terry Hall
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Control Cables |
In a message dated 8/29/2007 1:09:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
adaairport@cableone.net writes:
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can buy
locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts suppliers?
Both cables appear identical including similarity in price. Any thoughts
appreciated.
Terry,
The cable sold by aircraft parts suppliers have an inspection process that
ensures the cable is of sufficient quality for aircraft application. The price
reflects the cost of this additional process, and it then has the stamp of the
FAA or PMA (Parts Manufacturers Associoation) approval.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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First off thanks to everyone on here for all the info and ideas you
post. My son and I been building on our piet for about a year now. Wing
ribs same as done. Thanks to Jack Textor we'll have some tail feathers
this weekend. Anyway back to the reason I am posting. Austin, my son
talked his mother into going to the Antique Airfield tonite. I had to
work late which seems to be the norm with my job. Anyway he talked a
fellow there into a ride in a Piet that is there for the fly-in this
weekend. I don't think he'll stop smiling for quite awhile. Plus not to
mention the boost it give him to get after our project. He is thirteen
now we are hoping to have it done by the time he turns 16 if all goes
well. Thanks again to everyone for all the information you pass on here.
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In a message dated 8/29/2007 8:57:54 AM Central Daylight Time,
aa5flyer@gmail.com writes:
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a
Pietenpol.
Tim,
Welcome to the list !! This is the place to have your questions answered.
I put up a web site to show others the experience I have had with this
wonderful hobby. Check out my web site: _http://nx770cg.com/_
(http://nx770cg.com/)
Chuck G.
Wichita, KS
NX770CG
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Ride in a Piet. |
In a message dated 8/29/2007 10:41:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
davissign@mchsi.com writes:
First off thanks to everyone on here for all the info and ideas you post. My
son and I been building on our piet for about a year now. Wing ribs same as
done. Thanks to Jack Textor we'll have some tail feathers this weekend. Anyway
back to the reason I am posting. Austin, my son talked his mother into going to
the Antique Airfield tonite. I had to work late which seems to be the norm
with my job. Anyway he talked a fellow there into a ride in a Piet that is there
for the fly-in this weekend. I don't think he'll stop smiling for quite
awhile. Plus not to mention the boost it give him to get after our project. He
is
thirteen now we are hoping to have it done by the time he turns 16 if all goes
well. Thanks again to everyone for all the information you pass on here.
One of the perks of having built, and flying a Pietenpol, is to give people
rides, and see that smile !!
Was the guy there at Antique Airfield named Ben ?
He and I flew formation back from Brodhead to Antique Airfield this summer.
It was one of the most fun flights I've had flying the my Piet !! I've never
had that type of opportunity to fly with another Pietenpol for such a long
distance, down on the deck !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: Ride in a Piet. |
Yes. Ben Taylor's his name. He a funny guy my boy thinks he's cool. We
are taking the model A up Friday night. I think we will camp til Sunday
then head for home. You think the piets fly low n slow. The A is just
plain slow!
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From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ride in a Piet.
In a message dated 8/29/2007 10:41:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
davissign@mchsi.com writes:
First off thanks to everyone on here for all the info and ideas you
post. My son and I been building on our piet for about a year now. Wing
ribs same as done. Thanks to Jack Textor we'll have some tail feathers
this weekend. Anyway back to the reason I am posting. Austin, my son
talked his mother into going to the Antique Airfield tonite. I had to
work late which seems to be the norm with my job. Anyway he talked a
fellow there into a ride in a Piet that is there for the fly-in this
weekend. I don't think he'll stop smiling for quite awhile. Plus not to
mention the boost it give him to get after our project. He is thirteen
now we are hoping to have it done by the time he turns 16 if all goes
well. Thanks again to everyone for all the information you pass on here.
One of the perks of having built, and flying a Pietenpol, is to give
people rides, and see that smile !!
Was the guy there at Antique Airfield named Ben ?
He and I flew formation back from Brodhead to Antique Airfield this
summer. It was one of the most fun flights I've had flying the my Piet
!! I've never had that type of opportunity to fly with another
Pietenpol for such a long distance, down on the deck !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
AOL.com.
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| Subject: | Re: Ride in a Piet. |
Tell Ben that Chuck said "Hey"
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| Subject: | Alaska Pietenpol dreaming |
I have enjoyed reading this list's post, especially about flying the
Pietenpol.
Several days ago I asked about spins, and spin testing and no one has
answered. Has anyone done spin testing on their Pientenpol?
My dreams of flying and experiencing the feel of the controls are
weighing
heavier and heavier on my mind as I am getting closer to assembling my
wing.
Even as I gaze across the muskeg lake laced landscape from 600 feet on a
clear windless night in my Experimental Light Sport Antares, my thoughts
are
on flying the Pietenpol. How will it sound, will the struts and flying
wires
sing to me?
How will the smell of the earth below mix with the fuel, wood and
varnish as
I lift in a thermal.
Rob in Anchorage
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