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1. 03:51 AM - Re: New Guy (Ed G.)
2. 05:05 AM - Re: New Guy (Ben Charvet)
3. 05:57 AM - spinning the Piet (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: New Guy (Terry Hall)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: New Guy (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
6. 07:53 AM - Re: New Guy (Glenn W. Thomas)
7. 08:09 AM - Re: spinning the Piet (Ben Charvet)
8. 08:11 AM - Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07 (Steve Ruse)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: spinning the Piet (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
10. 09:05 AM - Re: spinning the Piet (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
11. 10:16 AM - Re: New Guy (Rick Holland)
12. 10:36 AM - EAA Opinions (Glenn Thomas)
13. 10:46 AM - Re: New Guy (Glenn W. Thomas)
14. 10:46 AM - Re: spinning the Piet (Isablcorky@aol.com)
15. 11:01 AM - Snake On A Plane (tbyh@aol.com)
16. 11:42 AM - Re: New Guy (Glenn Thomas)
17. 12:07 PM - Re: Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07 (Terry Hall)
18. 12:53 PM - Re: New Guy (walt evans)
19. 01:13 PM - EAA opinion (walt evans)
20. 01:45 PM - Re: EAA opinion ()
21. 02:27 PM - Re: EAA Opinions (Gordon Bowen)
22. 02:36 PM - Re: *****SPAM***** EAA opinion (Glenn W. Thomas)
23. 04:44 PM - Re: Aircraft Control Cables (Dick Navratil)
24. 06:49 PM - Re: New Guy (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
25. 08:57 PM - Re: spinning the Piet (Graham Hansen)
26. 11:45 PM - EAA, Homebuilts and Experimentals (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
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Welcome to the list Tim...Your wife is a keeper!............Ed
G............Do not archive
>From: "Tim White" <aa5flyer@gmail.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:31:22 -0400
>
>Terry,
>
>Although there are finished and partially finished projects for sale, most
>are of some distance. I've strongly considered travelling to look at them,
>but my wife told me she thought the whole idea was to build the plane
>myself and she was right! Therefore I'm building from scratch, but have
>many questions regarding engine, short or long fuselage, wider, door for
>passenger, GN-1 or original, etc.
>
>Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Hall
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
>
>
> Tim,
>
> Are you considering buying or building? Just wondering.
>
> Terry Hall
> Sky Scout builder
> Ada, OK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim White
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
>
>
> Rob
>
> Thanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your
>builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Hart
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
>
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Welcome on board. You will find the members of the list more than
>accomodating with both advice and opportunities to share in their
>experiences. Being from Western Australia, and still in the early phases
>of building VH-PTN, an extended fuselage Piet, I cannot offer anything more
>than encouragement and best wishes. You'll not find yourself wanting in
>either the aircraft or the esteemed members of the list. Make the most of
>both!
>
> Cheers
> Rob
>
>http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=503&FName=Rob&LName=Hart&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
>
>
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> From: aa5flyer@gmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:29 -0400
>
>
> I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided
>to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to
>a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar),
>but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close,
>sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride,
>just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in
>Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area.
>
> Tim White
> 937 325 5625
>
>
>" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>p://forums.matronics.com
>
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Welcome to the list, Tim
One thing a few guys (including me) have done is build a mock-up of the
cockpit to see how they fit. You can use cheap lumber to do this, and
use door skin plywood for the gussets, sides and floor. I did this and
found it useful practice to get my carpentry skills up. The jig I made
for the mockup was later used for my actual fuselage. Take a look at my
builder's log at:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=481&FName=Ben&LName=Charvet&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
You will find there is a lot of information available on the archives of
this list and on the other personal websites run by guys on this list.
Usually to solve any problem you can get two or three solutions to add
to your own ideas. I find that I spend more time thinking about what
I'm going to do than actually doing it.
Ben Charvet
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Subject: | spinning the Piet |
I was hoping to see some responses to the question, too. I asked Charlie
(my CFI, mentor, check pilot, etc.) about it and he said that he wishes the
Piet had just a bit more rudder before he'd feel comfortable spinning it.
He has considerable aerobatic time, so I respect his opinion, but he didn't
leave me satisfied with the answer. I'm not afraid of spins but I don't
have a death wish, either. I intend to inquire further and maybe strap on
the 'chutes and spin 41CC intentionally sometime. It has felt solid and
predictable in both power-on and power-off stalls that I've done and the
rudder seems to have plenty of authority, but others here have mentioned
that the pilot can "mask" air over the tail in some configurations and that
may be what Charlie is concerned about.
Sounds a little too much like "Twilight Zone" to this engineer and I'm going
to inquire further.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Tim,
I think that you will enjoy the building process. I've found the
experience very rewarding. Good luck.
Terry Hall
Sky Scout builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Terry,
Although there are finished and partially finished projects for sale,
most are of some distance. I've strongly considered travelling to look
at them, but my wife told me she thought the whole idea was to build the
plane myself and she was right! Therefore I'm building from scratch,
but have many questions regarding engine, short or long fuselage, wider,
door for passenger, GN-1 or original, etc.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Tim,
Are you considering buying or building? Just wondering.
Terry Hall
Sky Scout builder
Ada, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim White
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Rob
Thanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your
builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).
Thanks,
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Hart
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Hi Tim
Welcome on board. You will find the members of the list more
than accomodating with both advice and opportunities to share in their
experiences. Being from Western Australia, and still in the early
phases of building VH-PTN, an extended fuselage Piet, I cannot offer
anything more than encouragement and best wishes. You'll not find
yourself wanting in either the aircraft or the esteemed members of the
list. Make the most of both!
Cheers
Rob
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=503&FName=
Rob&LName=Hart&PlaneName=Air%20Camper
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From: aa5flyer@gmail.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:56:29 -0400
I've been reading this list for about two months and have
decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked
frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging
in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a
Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not
looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start
investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a
Pietenpol owner in this area.
Tim White
937 325 5625
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
p://forums.matronics.com
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Tim,
Welcome, its always nice to see another join the builder ranks. I think we
all go through a research cycle of information , then existing projects
availability and finally resolve to build or rebuild. I know when I started my
project 8 months ago I was more interested in the flying part and thought
building was a means to an end. Somewhere along the line I began to enjoy the
build
process more and more.
I find it to be challenging and frustrating at time, however those times are
quickly washed away by the more settling Zen of the project. I am finding
the actual journey of the build a most rewarding and enjoyable exercise. I
cannot speak for the motivations or the rewards experienced by other builders
I
can only relate my experience.
Enjoy the journey first, the reward is sure to follow.
Having been to Broadhead for the first time this year I have seen the
rewards of the builders and listened to the stories. I look forward to the time
that I too can join that exclusive club of builders and of flying my build to
Broadhead for a peer review. I can think of no reward more gratifying than to
meet the builders head on and have them review my work also.
I have met no finer a group to be associated with and believe you will come
to respect them and to enjoy them. Good luck and like the rest of our
exclusive band of Piet enthusiast, if there is anything I can do to help or
assistance I can provide, I am at your dispposal.
My thoughts to share as you begin your journey!
John Recine
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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"I find that I spend more time thinking about what I'm going to do than
actually doing it."
That's the beauty of this project. This way you actually end up "working
on the project" at work, stuck in traffic, sleeping, etc. It's much more
than an assembly process and keeps you engaged all the time.
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: | Re: spinning the Piet |
Pat Green in Jacksonville told me story story about spinning the
Piet. This guy has a Piet with a BP conversion Corvair with belt driven
fan. He was commenting that his Piet with a rudder built to the plans
tended to loose rudder authority on the flair, especially with a tall
pilot. Anyway a friend of his strapped on a chute and took it up high
and put it into a spin. Pat was on the ground watching this, and he was
yelling Jump out!, Jump out! because it got pretty close to the ground
before the pilot recovered. Later on Pat had a small accident that
ended up with the Piet on its back and he had to rebuild the rudder. He
made it a little bit taller. After talking to him I added 3 or 4 inches
to my rudder when I built it. I'm extending my motormount 4 inches, so
the extra rudder authority won't hurt. Getting in and out of a Piet
that was spinning while wearing a parachute wouldn't be easy. Here is a
link to a picture of Pat's Piet. (He is over 70 years old and has been
flying this since the 70's)
Ben Charvet
http://flycorvair.com/green.html
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Subject: | Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07 |
Just wanted to let everyone know that there is going to be a grass
strip fly-in at McCaslin Field in Slaughterville, OK (South of Norman)
on September 8th at 10AM. Sure would like to see some Pietenpols there.
Terry (Hall), this isn't too far from you, any chance you could make
it up here?
More information here:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin
http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=3208
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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Subject: | spinning the Piet |
Oscar,
Masking air over the tail could be a very big problem in spin recovery. This
is why I asked.
I am thinking about building a headrest onto the turtle back but don't want
to disturb the air flow to the Vertical Stabilizer. I am a big guy and am
worried about spin recovery with aft CG, although I am going to fit the
Corvair on mine and have the longer fuselage. Any input on spins from
former, and current pilots would be useful to all of us.
RS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spinning the Piet
I was hoping to see some responses to the question, too. I asked Charlie
(my CFI, mentor, check pilot, etc.) about it and he said that he wishes the
Piet had just a bit more rudder before he'd feel comfortable spinning it.
He has considerable aerobatic time, so I respect his opinion, but he didn't
leave me satisfied with the answer. I'm not afraid of spins but I don't
have a death wish, either. I intend to inquire further and maybe strap on
the 'chutes and spin 41CC intentionally sometime. It has felt solid and
predictable in both power-on and power-off stalls that I've done and the
rudder seems to have plenty of authority, but others here have mentioned
that the pilot can "mask" air over the tail in some configurations and that
may be what Charlie is concerned about.
Sounds a little too much like "Twilight Zone" to this engineer and I'm going
to inquire further.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | spinning the Piet |
Thanks. I am 6'-5" and am a little curious about spins and rudder authority.
I have not built the enging mounts for the Corvair yet so any information on
this is very helpful.
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spinning the Piet
Pat Green in Jacksonville told me story story about spinning the
Piet. This guy has a Piet with a BP conversion Corvair with belt driven
fan. He was commenting that his Piet with a rudder built to the plans
tended to loose rudder authority on the flair, especially with a tall
pilot. Anyway a friend of his strapped on a chute and took it up high
and put it into a spin. Pat was on the ground watching this, and he was
yelling Jump out!, Jump out! because it got pretty close to the ground
before the pilot recovered. Later on Pat had a small accident that
ended up with the Piet on its back and he had to rebuild the rudder. He
made it a little bit taller. After talking to him I added 3 or 4 inches
to my rudder when I built it. I'm extending my motormount 4 inches, so
the extra rudder authority won't hurt. Getting in and out of a Piet
that was spinning while wearing a parachute wouldn't be easy. Here is a
link to a picture of Pat's Piet. (He is over 70 years old and has been
flying this since the 70's)
Ben Charvet
http://flycorvair.com/green.html
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Very true, can't think of a better way to get through a boring meeting is to
design your next Piet component in your head, or in your notebook (everyone
will think you are taking detailed notes).
Rick
On 8/30/07, Glenn W. Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> wrote:
>
> glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> "I find that I spend more time thinking about what I'm going to do than
> actually doing it."
>
> That's the beauty of this project. This way you actually end up "working
> on the project" at work, stuck in traffic, sleeping, etc. It's much more
> than an assembly process and keeps you engaged all the time.
>
> Glenn Thomas
> Storrs, CT
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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After reading through the "Value of EAA" topic I decided to email the EAA and give
them some of my ideas since I'm not alone and not necessarily negative on
the EAA. I presented many of the ideas that were discussed in this thread and
some thoughts on how to bring people with frustrations like mine back into the
EAA fold. Some of the ideas I presented included expanding the EAA workshop
tours to include more stops (none in the Northeast right now), AirVenture builders
workshops could be expanded to include something more than a beginner's
welcome adding some advanced subjects like tooling, constructing jigs and tools,
and producing books that have plans for such that EAA could offer as some new
material. Overall, just something to make the homebuilders who feel they are
"the original EAA" to feel less displaced. I had a phone conversation with
the Media and Public Affairs representative, Dick Knapinski, and he encouraged
me to provide more feedback and seemed to appreciate that I came to him with
some suggestions rather than complaints. Of course, change remains to be seen,
and it will take time, but I got a general sense that my input would be reviewed
and that they were interested in hearing public outcry for things. If anyone
is inclined to do the same you should email him at dknapinski@eaa.org.
Worst case scenario if you continue to feel disenfrancised by the EAA it will
be through no fault of your own. Time will tell.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131839#131839
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Rick makes an excellent point. For example I was in a 2 hour marathon
meeting yesterday and the topic was how our lab data would be delivered
from an outside company through HL7 messaging. I was seen busily
gathering all the perinent information and left the meeting with the
attached notes. The Piet must have saved me from dozing off at LEAST once
and made me quite a "productive" employee.
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Subject: | Re: spinning the Piet |
Oscar ole boy we know you're enjoying your Piet but, " don't try makin it
sump'un it ain't ".
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Subject: | Snake On A Plane |
Check out this Associated Press blurb from last week.=C2- Good thing it wa
sn't a cottonmouth or rattler of some sort. I would have baled out, chute or
no chute! Yeeeshh!
I'll bet y'all do a very thorough pre-flight next time you fly! He-he-heh!
You all know what Samuel B. Jackson says about snakes on a plane -- just don
't say it here in this family blog!
Which reminds me - you know why cowboy boots are pointed?
For kicking rattlers in the a__ !
Fred B.
(08-24) 19:57 PDT Brookhaven, Miss. (AP) --
It was no movie moment when a physician, flying himself across Mississippi i
n a one-seat plane, discovered a stowaway =94 a gray rat snake.
Dr. Ed Carruth discovered the snake-on-a-plane when it began "licking" his a
rm Thursday, he told The Daily Leader of Brookhaven.
"I've been flying planes for 50 years and over 14,000 hours, and this is the
most unusual in-flight emergency I've encountered," he said. "I guess it wa
sn't exactly an emergency, but I did almost hurt myself when I saw it."
Needing to fly the plane and lacking tools to get rid of the snake, "I did s
ome aerobatics," Carruth said. "And once he got oriented, he went to the bac
k of the plane."
When Carruth arrived at Brookhaven Municipal Airport after his flight from M
eridian, officials called a snake expert to remove the reptile. It's not unc
ommon for snakes to live in airplane hangars, said Joey Pradillo, the expert
.
"The snakes are in there after the mice. And the hangar is cool on the insid
e, and that's why he was in there in the first place," he said. Pradillo rel
eased the snake into the wild.
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Meeting notes..
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131858#131858
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_939.pdf
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Subject: | Re: Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07 |
Steve,
Thanks for the invite, but I'll be out of town that weekend. BTW, the Ada
Airport is closed for a couple of weeks while the constuction company begins
our taxiway reconstruction project. Save the Bob's BBQ runs for another
time. Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07
> <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>
> Just wanted to let everyone know that there is going to be a grass strip
> fly-in at McCaslin Field in Slaughterville, OK (South of Norman) on
> September 8th at 10AM. Sure would like to see some Pietenpols there.
>
> Terry (Hall), this isn't too far from you, any chance you could make it
> up here?
>
> More information here:
> http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin
> http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=3208
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
>
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Glen,
Where'd you get this pic of my Piet? :^)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn W. Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
> Rick makes an excellent point. For example I was in a 2 hour marathon
> meeting yesterday and the topic was how our lab data would be delivered
> from an outside company through HL7 messaging. I was seen busily
> gathering all the perinent information and left the meeting with the
> attached notes. The Piet must have saved me from dozing off at LEAST once
> and made me quite a "productive" employee.
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Just wanted to give my opinion on the EAA descussion.
Even though I'd tried to join the EAA a few years ago, and it was a
joke. (The whole meeting was about who didn't bring enough beer at the
last picnic. and who need to put in more time at the next raffle.
Nothing about building planes).
I think that it's obvious that everyone is waiting for someone to amaze
them with a lecture on some aspect of airplane building. Like there is
some great plan by someone to put on shows for the builders.
NO,,,,I think that anyone who is half way through a building project is
qualified to give their own presentation at an EAA meeting.
I wish that I had the gift of Gab, and could share what I know properly,
to the newcommers. But I don't.
People who are halfway to completion ,,or less,,could greatly contribute
to the new guy who just got his plans. On stuff like,,,how to cut a
good wood joint, glueing, setting up a shop, Or making a rib jig.
Don't join the EAA to BE served,,,
Do join to serve the ones who haven't done it yet
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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Been sitting on the sidelines and agree with most of what is said, both pro and
con EAA (I don't have to be consistant.) Two of three EAA chapters that I have
been around did what you describe below, Every meeting someone gets up and discusses
what they have been building, demonstrates a skill such as cutting foam
with a hotwire or reviewing how to do a new weight and balance chart for your
airplane. It is often as informal as everyone going over to someone's hanger
and asking questions. The third EAA chapter was more of a social club but those
who were building got togather and "networked" Pleasant experiences all three
times.
One big thing for me. "Don't ever ask me to sell hotdogs! if you need $20 I will
give it but don't assume I want to work really hard for just a little money!"
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA opinion
> Just wanted to give my opinion on the EAA descussion.
> Even though I'd tried to join the EAA a few years ago, and it was
> a joke. (The whole meeting was about who didn't bring enough beer
> at the last picnic. and who need to put in more time at the next
> raffle. Nothing about building planes).
>
> I think that it's obvious that everyone is waiting for someone to
> amaze them with a lecture on some aspect of airplane building.
> Like there is some great plan by someone to put on shows for the
> builders.NO,,,,I think that anyone who is half way through a
> building project is qualified to give their own presentation at an
> EAA meeting.
> I wish that I had the gift of Gab, and could share what I know
> properly, to the newcommers. But I don't.
> People who are halfway to completion ,,or less,,could greatly
> contribute to the new guy who just got his plans. On stuff
> like,,,how to cut a good wood joint, glueing, setting up a
> shop, Or making a rib jig.
>
> Don't join the EAA to BE served,,,
> Do join to serve the ones who haven't done it yet
>
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
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Subject: | Re: EAA Opinions |
If the EAA was serious about understanding what the actual homebuilders are
thinking, they'd lurk in the various internet based forums like ours. I
know Knapinski lurks in the yahoo based canard-pusher group because he
occasionally has a comment posted, after that group (about 650 members, with
30-50 active posters to the website) starts a bitching session about the
EAA's do nothing attitude. Every forum group I attend has bitch sessions,
we in the Piete group ain't alone in this. Someone in the EAA may actually
lurk with many forum groups but yet don't seem to give a crap, what actual
homebuilders think or write. Fact is--- Air Venture is their only reason
being and this annual Oshcash project benefits only the commerical
businesses that make money from all aviator/builders and the tourism of the
great State of Wisconsin (love the cheese and Packers). They make very
little money running workshops for actual builders, so you can
fergitaboutit. The forum tents are non-money makers. Think about it, if
the new EAA was really serious about supporting the building and designing,
they'd be the computer web node for all things homebuilt aviation, they
don't host any free forums. They'd host on their computers this and other
forums, they'd have a research data bank with all tricks, techniques and
details developed by homebuilders for building planes, but they don't. What
would it cost them to web host and sort data banks of the last 40 years of
homebuilt aviation's innovations? The reason they don't do it is because
they're in the tourism business, webhosting wouldn't make them a penny.
Dick K. if you're lurking out there somewhere, you can contact me if you're
really interested in why old members like me have not contributed to the EAA
coffers for many years. I'm one of those foolish guys 20 years ago who did
the free composites workshop and spoke at the forum tents multiple times,
but no more. Guys like Paul P, Wittman, etc. are no more, so the EAA is
just another way of sucking money and waste time of homebuilders. Want guys
like me back? Come back to the EAA's roots and quit cowtowing to the big
aviation interest. Dick (if you're lurkin'), when is the last time any one
of you guys in Oshcash actually built or designed a simple low cost
homebuilt and put it in the public domain?
Gordon Bowen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Opinions
> <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> After reading through the "Value of EAA" topic I decided to email the EAA
> and give them some of my ideas since I'm not alone and not necessarily
> negative on the EAA. I presented many of the ideas that were discussed in
> this thread and some thoughts on how to bring people with frustrations
> like mine back into the EAA fold. Some of the ideas I presented included
> expanding the EAA workshop tours to include more stops (none in the
> Northeast right now), AirVenture builders workshops could be expanded to
> include something more than a beginner's welcome adding some advanced
> subjects like tooling, constructing jigs and tools, and producing books
> that have plans for such that EAA could offer as some new material.
> Overall, just something to make the homebuilders who feel they are "the
> original EAA" to feel less displaced. I had a phone conversation with the
> Media and Public Affairs representative, Dick Knapinski, and he encouraged
> me to provide more feedback and seemed to apprecia!
> te that I came to him with some suggestions rather than complaints. Of
> course, change remains to be seen, and it will take time, but I got a
> general sense that my input would be reviewed and that they were
> interested in hearing public outcry for things. If anyone is inclined to
> do the same you should email him at dknapinski@eaa.org. Worst case
> scenario if you continue to feel disenfrancised by the EAA it will be
> through no fault of your own. Time will tell.
>
> --------
> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=131839#131839
>
>
>
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I emailed a different chapter in CT and mentioned my project and this
particular chapter has a bunch of Taylorcraft projects and some Piet
enthusiasts in it so my opinion of local chapters may change after my
first visit.
I understand the importance of sharing info and not just waiting to be fed
and complaining if you didn't get enough to eat. A specific reference I
can make is a tool I spotted at Brodhead this summer and Oshkosh where
they are both building Bleriots. This tool allows you to fit a shaping
template to either end of a piece of wood and rotate the wood while
pushing it into an oscillating drum sander to achieve the profile of the
template. I thought this tool was incredibly cool and plan to build one
to make my LG legs. I asked if the gentleman building the Bleriot would
mind giving me a demo and he said come by tomorrow and he would. By the
time he was done setting it up and getting ready to start there was a ring
of about 20 people, just like me, anxious to see this thing work. So, my
point is it doesn't matter if I gave the demo or just watched, if multiple
people learned and got excited the demo was worth it. My existing chapter
is not like that. There are tons of ideas folks have that you see and
think "I should have thought of that!". ...which is what I like about
going to Brodhead and meeting with other builders in my area.
The intent of the initial post was for others who have ideas for things
that would make EAA less disenfranchising, send them feedback. It can't
hurt. I spoke with Dick Knapinski for 30 minutes and he seemed to
understand my concerns and be willing to turn them into some type of
action. I know there are others out there that are much more articulate
than I and know a heck of a lot more about aviation than I do too.
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Subject: | Re: Aircraft Control Cables |
Scott
You have to look carefully to see the fibers. Unwind a inch or so of
cable you will see them if they are there.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
I have seen he same cable at hardware stores and it is called aircraft
cable, it is also labled with a warning not to be used for aircraft. I
didn't know about the red fiber test. Is that on all aircraft cable or
just some? I have never seen it while cutting the cable I have from
wicks.
-scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
If it is real aircraft control cable there is no difference. The
sure way to tell is closely looking inside the strands of wire. There
should be thin strands of red fibers in the cable. It is there to tell
you if the cable has been over stressed. If it has the fibers break and
stick out of the windings. ( little red flags)
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Hall
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Hello everyone,
What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I
can buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft
parts suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in
price. Any thoughts appreciated.
Terry Hall
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Glenn,
A true Picasso........
Sincerely,
Leonardo
"Glenn W. Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com> wrote:
Rick makes an excellent point. For example I was in a 2 hour marathon
meeting yesterday and the topic was how our lab data would be delivered
from an outside company through HL7 messaging. I was seen busily
gathering all the perinent information and left the meeting with the
attached notes. The Piet must have saved me from dozing off at LEAST once
and made me quite a "productive" employee.
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Subject: | Re: spinning the Piet |
There was considerable discussion about spinning the Pietenpol a few years
back. I remember contributing a story about a friend's "hairy" experience
while spinning his Pietenpol, but won't include it now because it should be
in the archives.
Spinning any airplane that doesn't conform to a type specification, and has
unknown spin characteristics, could be dangerous. Individual Pietenpols tend
to differ in configuration, rigging, and weight distribution. Even if one
Pietenpol displays normal spinning (and recovery) behavior, this is no
guarantee that another Pietenpol will do the same.
Check the list archives regarding this thread---and be careful!
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
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Subject: | EAA, Homebuilts and Experimentals |
According to EAA's Earl Lawrence experimentals will not be covered in a
new
ADS-B equipage plan as part of the NexGen air traffic control. While
most of
us don't care about this the FAA does and will keep us out of A,B,C
airspace
without it.
Has anyone heard of equipage plans that require aircraft owners paying
for
10 percent, and the State or Feds paying 90 percent? This is scookum
high
tech equipment and we will all be required to use in about five years,
so
heads up!
RS
P.S. The award to start implementation was awarded Thursday:
http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=9452
Rob Stapleton
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