---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/06/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 PM - voltage regulator () 2. 02:01 PM - Re: voltage regulator (AzevedoFlyer@aol.com) 3. 03:10 PM - ELT Location (Steve Ruse) 4. 06:36 PM - copyright question (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 07:07 PM - Re: Engine question (PatrickW) 6. 07:22 PM - Re: ELT Location (Skip Gadd) 7. 07:37 PM - ELT location (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 08:29 PM - ELT info (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 9. 08:44 PM - Re: copyright question (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 10. 08:47 PM - Re: ELT location (Rob Stapleton, Jr.) 11. 09:12 PM - Wood Landing Gear (Catdesigns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: voltage regulator From: I am putting the generator back into the 80 hp Franklin that I have on my GN-1 Aircamper. It supplies 12v to recharge the battery. Could someone shed some light on what would be the best voltage regulator to buy for this application, thanks for any info in advance. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:24 PM PST US From: AzevedoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: voltage regulator Harvey, My admittedly modest contribution, after suffering with related problems. Besides voltage and current (Amps), you have to know if your generator is type "A" or "B" circuit. All Delco Remy generators are type "A." For better explanation, go to _www.aerotechlou.com_ (http://www.aerotechlou.com) , "Troubleshooting alternator and generator issues". As an example: my Pacer has a Delco Remy generator (hence type "A") 12V and 35 Amps. The VR recommended is Electrodelta VR300, which will cost you app. $150.00. The automotive version -- performancewise the same as the aircraft grade - is a VR22, generally found or ordered from NAPA / Car Quest and the like. It was used in GM Corvair cars and is still used by many a farm tractor. It should cost you around $35.00. One last word: buy American. The current Chinese crop is worse than the toys they make, in the words of people in the known (Ecorse Electric/MI). Best of luck, Miguel N8714D PA22/20-150 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:04 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT Location I believe I need a new ELT, and I am wondering what would be the best place to put it. I can easily mount it behind the pilot's seat, but that hurts rear CG. I can mount it up front, but the metal cowling will be detrimental to antenna operation (I don't want the antenna to be external). Right now I'm leaning towards the AmeriKing AK-450 ELT. I'd really, really prefer the 406mhz ELTs, since they actually might work in a real emergency, but I can't stomach the $1,000 price tag, when I can get a standard ELT for 20% of that price. So, give me your ELT location suggestions. Any pictures would be great. Thanks, Steve Ruse Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:46 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: copyright question A little off-topic but not much. Does anyone on the list know if the designs published in the 1930s Flying & Glider Manuals are copyrighted? I have all the manuals and have looked for something to that effect on the covers and inside the manuals, but all I find is that the EAA Foundation or someone else has reprinted them in modern times and offered them for sale as new printings. Thanks. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine question From: "PatrickW" I've been pondering the VW TDI diesel engine for a Piet... I own one (in a car). 90hp, peak torque at 1850 rpm. No idea how much it weights - guestimating that it's in the ballpark of a Model A's weight. Biggest real-world issue would be fuel availability. The type of airports most likely to sell Jet-A are the type of airports I'd be least likely to visit. But from a technical perspective I believe it could be done. Patrick 601XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133176#133176 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:44 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT Location Steve, I used the AK-450 and located it behind the seat. The ELT antenna is the dark vertical line between the elevator push/pull rod and rudder cable. The aft location is not a problem for me since I weigh 90 lbs less than the guy I bought the plane from. Since the plane is wood and experimental you can locate the antenna inside the fuze. I used the same ground plane for the com and ELT antennas. If you do mount the ELT up front, I wouldn't worry about the cowl interfering with the antenna operation, since if the ELT activated the plane may be upside down and the cowl would be a great ground plane;) Skip > > So, give me your ELT location suggestions. Any pictures would be great. > Thanks, > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:49 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT location Steve; I actually gave some thought to putting the ELT in the wing center section when I moved it, since 41CC has neither a wing locker nor a fuel tank there. Problem is the antenna, which needs to stand vertically for best signal output (I believe). So... I ended up moving mine from up between the pax' feet to back behind the pilot where Corky mounted an aluminum ground plane. I've mounted both the ELT whip and the VHF COMM antenna on the same ground plane but separated them as far as possible. Far from ideal, but at least no antennae show. Alternatively, you can mount the radio wherever you want and put the whip back behind the seat with only some coax cable between them. You're going to need an antenna lead-in cable one way or the other and the losses aren't going to be too terribly great for a couple of feet of coax cable. I have some extra, premade coax whips with BNC connectors on both ends if you want one. My CFI reminded me that the 121.5 Mhz SARSAT won't be officially monitored beyond 2/1/2009 and those of us who elect to continue to fly under the grandfather clause with the old ELTs will have to rely on overflying aircraft or ground stations who happen to be monitoring 121.5 for help in time of need. Sort of like, "if a tree falls in the forest after 2/1/2009, will the FAA hear it fall?". My response was, I'm still waiting for anyone to acknowledge the ELT in 41CC going off when it went on its back a couple of years ago and sat in Zapata for a week with the ELT yelping away. I wouldn't hold my breath and I sure won't spring $1,000 for a fancier ELT for my Piet. If I go down in this fun little airplane, just wrap me in a piece of the fabric from it before you plant me 6 feet under. And since I probably won't complain about anything at that point, go ahead and toss the old 121.5 Mhz ELT from the airplane in the grave with me. Just be sure to flip the switch from 'armed' to 'off' before you do, and in order to comply with the FARs remove the old battery from service and replace with a new one ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:48 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT info This just came to us in Alaska today: Termination of 121.5 MHz Beacons for Satellite Alerting is Coming Soon Notice Number: NOTC0981 On 1 February 2009, the International Cospas-Sarsat [1][1] Organization (U.S. included) will terminate processing of distress signals emitted by 121.5 MHz Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELTs). This means that pilots flying aircraft equipped with 121.5 MHz ELTs after that date will have to depend on pilots of over flying aircraft and or ground stations monitoring 121.5 to hear and report distress alert signals, transmitted from a possible crash site. Why is this happening? Although lives have been saved by 121.5 MHz ELTs, the downside has been their propensity to generate false alerts (approximately 98 percent of all 121.5 MHz alerts are false), and their failure to provide rescue forces with timely and accurate crash location data. Both of which actually delay rescue efforts and have a direct effect on an individual's chance for survival. Rescue forces have to respond to all 121.5 MHz alerts to determine if they are real distress alerts or if they are being generated by an interferer, an inadvertent activation (by the owner) or equipment failure. Is there an alternative? Yes, the Cospas-Sarsat System (U.S. included) has been and will continue processing emergency signals transmitted by 406 MHz ELTs. These 5 Watt digital beacons transmit a much stronger signal, are more accurate, verifiable and traceable to the registered beacon owner (406 MHz ELTs must be registered by the owner in accordance with Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulation). Registration allows the search and rescue authorities to contact the beacon owner, or his or her designated alternate by telephone to determine if a real emergency exists. Therefore, a simple telephone call often solves a 406 MHz alerts without launching costly and limited search and rescue resources, which would have to be done for a 121.5 MHz alert. For these reasons, the search and rescue community is encouraging aircraft owners to consider retrofit of 406 MHz ELTs or at a minimum, consider the purchase of a handheld 406 MHz Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) which can be carried in the cockpit while continuing to maintain a fixed 121.5 MHz ELT mounted in the aircraft's tail. Remember, after February 1, 2009, the world-wide Cospas-Sarsat satellite system will no longer process 121.5 MHz alert signals. Pilots involved in aircraft accidents in remote areas will have to depend on pilots of over flying aircraft and or ground stations to hear emergency ELT distress signals. For further information concerning the termination of 121.5 MHz data processing visit www.sarsat.noaa.gov Rob Stapleton, BFI/ Sport Pilot www.AlaskaSportPilotCenter.net 907-230-9425 _____ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:42 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: copyright question They are in public domain if the copyright holder is dead. It is possible for the copyright holder to deed the rights to a trust but this is usually done to make sure that they are re-distributed for public use. RS -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: copyright question A little off-topic but not much. Does anyone on the list know if the designs published in the 1930s Flying & Glider Manuals are copyrighted? I have all the manuals and have looked for something to that effect on the covers and inside the manuals, but all I find is that the EAA Foundation or someone else has reprinted them in modern times and offered them for sale as new printings. Thanks. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:08 PM PST US From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT location Haa, ja, ja, Good reply and fitting. Thanks for the humor Oscar! RS -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT location Steve; I actually gave some thought to putting the ELT in the wing center section when I moved it, since 41CC has neither a wing locker nor a fuel tank there. Problem is the antenna, which needs to stand vertically for best signal output (I believe). So... I ended up moving mine from up between the pax' feet to back behind the pilot where Corky mounted an aluminum ground plane. I've mounted both the ELT whip and the VHF COMM antenna on the same ground plane but separated them as far as possible. Far from ideal, but at least no antennae show. Alternatively, you can mount the radio wherever you want and put the whip back behind the seat with only some coax cable between them. You're going to need an antenna lead-in cable one way or the other and the losses aren't going to be too terribly great for a couple of feet of coax cable. I have some extra, premade coax whips with BNC connectors on both ends if you want one. My CFI reminded me that the 121.5 Mhz SARSAT won't be officially monitored beyond 2/1/2009 and those of us who elect to continue to fly under the grandfather clause with the old ELTs will have to rely on overflying aircraft or ground stations who happen to be monitoring 121.5 for help in time of need. Sort of like, "if a tree falls in the forest after 2/1/2009, will the FAA hear it fall?". My response was, I'm still waiting for anyone to acknowledge the ELT in 41CC going off when it went on its back a couple of years ago and sat in Zapata for a week with the ELT yelping away. I wouldn't hold my breath and I sure won't spring $1,000 for a fancier ELT for my Piet. If I go down in this fun little airplane, just wrap me in a piece of the fabric from it before you plant me 6 feet under. And since I probably won't complain about anything at that point, go ahead and toss the old 121.5 Mhz ELT from the airplane in the grave with me. Just be sure to flip the switch from 'armed' to 'off' before you do, and in order to comply with the FARs remove the old battery from service and replace with a new one ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:58 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing Gear Seeing as the list is a bit slow with builders, I'm going to chime in here. After a lot of late night building my wood gear legs are finally finished. It took a lot longer to build the wood gear then I though but then again everything takes me 10 times longer to build then I think it should. Also, whom ever came up with the idea of using the split nuts to hold the cable while swaging was a genius. Photo attached of these wonderful things. I found them at OSH Hardware store in the electrical section. I would bet you could find them at most good hardware stores. I have been using the Swage-it Tools #2 Swaging tool and it works great. I even cut open a sleeve to see how well it was crimping it on to the wire. I was really impressed by its area of contact and the swaged fitting. Also, it is very easy to use by my self. I will post larger pictures to my website in a few days. 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