---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/16/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:54 AM - smoke on! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 2. 08:41 AM - Re: Stitts covering (Scott Knowlton) 3. 09:09 AM - audible changes in engine noise with smoke on (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]) 4. 02:23 PM - audible changes in engine noise with smoke on (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 02:45 PM - Re: audible changes in engine noise with smoke on (Patrick Panzera) 6. 06:41 PM - Texas buzzards (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 07:25 PM - Re: Stitts covering (Scott Schreiber) 8. 07:47 PM - Re: Texas buzzards (Clif Dawson) 9. 08:25 PM - Re: smoke on! (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: smoke on! From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Oscar, >Congratulations on making smoke and not to fear, at cruise RPM >you will burn more oil that you belch overboard. The hotter >your EGT the better and for your ground test you would have >seen a marked >difference if your engine was warmed up and you were at 2150 >rpm. You'll be fine. Way to go. > >The Thunderbirds parked at our NASA hangar over Labor Day >Weekend (as they do every other year) for our local airshow >and Friday we had an open house so I snapped this photo of the >smoke injection probe that simply sticks into the GEF110 >engine exhaust. The tip looks very much like a spray wand end >(but all stainless) >of a bug sprayer. Imagine that ? I asked a ground support >crewmember how much smoke oil each Thunderbird goes >thru during a typical performance and he said "about 20 >gallons". There were 16 55 gallon drums of Shell >Carnea E Oil 22 sitting on pallets nearby the planes (that >would be 880 gallons of fun in a drum) and I coveted every one >of them. In September of 2005 the Thunderbirds were using >Shell Vitrea Oil 22. Must do the same >thing but for some reason they were using this Carnea E Oil 22 >this year. > >Smoke on, > >Mike C. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:56 AM PST US From: Scott Knowlton Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stitts covering Hey Scott, Stitts has a number of fabric packages for homebuilts and they do have one for the Pietenpol. It includes all of the fabric, stitching and tapes as w ell as the chemicals to silver. Check out their website or give them a cal l. They are in Ohio. Shipping is a little bit costly because of the nature of the dangerous goods. We have a supplier agent in Toronto so I'm sure t here must be a network throughout the USA. My guy quoted me $5200.00 Cdn l ast year which included a single colour. Best of luck. Scott Knowlton Slow builder in Burlington Ontario From: got22b@subarubrat.comTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.comSubject: Pietenp ol-List: Stitts coveringDate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:08:24 -0400 Looks like I am going stitts for my covering. I have some great folks who w ill help me learn the job. Can anyone here give me an approximate idea of w hat I need to order for fabric, adheasive etc. ? -Scott Schreiber _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: audible changes in engine noise with smoke on From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" Oscar, I failed to mention that when I am smoking there is a muffled sound to the engine or at least from the right side where the smoke exits. I don't see a loss of rpm that I can detect but the pitch of the engine certainly changes somewhat and I think that is normal. Again in cruise flight (or preferably a lower pass down the runway "to scare the deer away") you will know the results of your handiwork better. PS-- Never admit to doing a buzz job but merely couch it in the terms mentioned above and if you have no deer in your area just substitute whatever animal is native to your area: groundhog, prairie dog, Elk, Moose, Canadian Geese, or penguins. For those down under, slow Koala bears looking for a tree, Tasmanian Devils, or a pack of hyenas or kangaroo. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:59 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: audible changes in engine noise with smoke on Yes, I can just hear it now. I taxi up to my hangar and shut down after making a couple of smoking runs. Airport manager comes up to me and asks what the heck I think I'm doing? "Fumigating for elephants" I'll tell him. "Elephants? There ain't no elephants around here!" To which I reply, "Well then, I guess it's working!" Har, har. Sorry for that bad one. I know what you mean about the muffled sound when there is smoke in the pipe, but this was an actual missing/stuttering sound, almost as if smoke was getting drawn back into the chamber and causing a miss. Regardless, I think you and Chuck are right and when I operate it at normal flight RPM with the engine warm, I'll have no problem. I will flight-test it at altitude before trying it near the ground though. We have plenty of buzzards around here and I can do an aerial application of "buzzard dispersant" when the time comes. Oscar Zuniga NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:32 PM PST US From: "Patrick Panzera" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: audible changes in engine noise with smoke on > I will flight-test it at > altitude before trying it near the ground though. We have plenty of > buzzards around here and I can do an aerial application of "buzzard > dispersant" when the time comes. Around here our "buzzards" have a fancy name http://www.scienceviews.com/animals/condor.html ...and are "protected" in such a way that we can't even fly over where they might live, let alone actually fly over them and spray them with "dispersant". Elephants are fair game however. Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:05 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Texas buzzards Actually, our most populous species around here, Cathartes aura (the turkey vulture), is one of the most inspiring and amazing fliers around. It is grand to sit and watch them fly and they are really skilful in the air. They use their tails to maneuver very precisely and their wings are big, powerful, and provide great lift. They use only minimal flapping to get airborne or to maneuver since it requires so much "100LL roadkill" to flap such large wings. Not the best on the ground, though. Sort of like a taildragger ;o) Oscar Zuniga do not archive NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get the device you want, with the Hotmail you love. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobilehotmail/default.mspx?WT.mc_ID=MobileHMTagline ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:27 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stitts covering Great, thanks! -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Knowlton To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stitts covering Hey Scott, Stitts has a number of fabric packages for homebuilts and they do have one for the Pietenpol. It includes all of the fabric, stitching and tapes as well as the chemicals to silver. Check out their website or give them a call. They are in Ohio. Shipping is a little bit costly because of the nature of the dangerous goods. We have a supplier agent in Toronto so I'm sure there must be a network throughout the USA. My guy quoted me $5200.00 Cdn last year which included a single colour. Best of luck. Scott Knowlton Slow builder in Burlington Ontario ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: got22b@subarubrat.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stitts covering Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:08:24 -0400 Looks like I am going stitts for my covering. I have some great folks who will help me learn the job. Can anyone here give me an approximate idea of what I need to order for fabric, adheasive etc. ? -Scott Schreiber " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:36 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Texas buzzards Turkey vultures nest and rear young on Vancouver Island here in BC. When it's time to head south they circle over Victoria until they have sufficient height( hopefuly anyway) then launch off towards the Olympic Penninsula. Some don't make it. Some get part way and realize they aren't going to make it and turn back. They will glide down until in ground effect hoping to reach the beaches of Esquimalt. I've seen them so bone tired that they just plow head first onto the beach and just lie there. Whatever it is about the area ( Saanich Peninsula) North of Victoria that makes them risk their lives and that of their young to get there is some powerful motivator. Unfortunately they like the Victoria International Airport. With International flights from Seattle, the Orient and elsewere, regular flights from all across Canada, the flying club, lots of training at all levels, two parachute businesses and highly, world wide respected repair and restoration companies filling the air with everything from large jets to warbirds to 152's using all three runways simultaniously it's a wonder that these huge birds find it so appealing. In my day (62) it was spiders and duck hunters. Now the students have Turkey Vultures. :-) Clif > > Actually, our most populous species around here, Cathartes aura (the > turkey vulture), is one of the most inspiring and amazing fliers around. > It is grand to sit and watch them fly and they are really skilful in the > air. >) > > Oscar Zuniga do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:51 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: smoke on! Congratulations....Chief Oscar "Oil your grass" Zungia..... or how about Chief Oscar "Baby your wood" Zungia..... tee-hee-hee Oscar Zuniga wrote: Well, 41CC may have a new habit soon. Smoking. I got the test apparatus hooked up securely enough to allow ground testing. Consisted of an automotive windshield washer reservoir and pump bungee'd to the side of the airplane with a small 12V motorcycle battery sitting on that and also lashed on. Flex hose to the exhaust stack with the last few inches a piece of copper tubing, to a brass fitting threaded into a boss welded to the stack just where Mike Cuy said to put it. Two small holes drilled through the stack wall, again as per Mike's specs for size and location. One large bottle of baby oil went in the reservoir, engine was started and warmed up (tail tied to my car's trailer hitch and wheels chocked), then 1500 RPM and I gave it a blip of smoke. Wowza!!!!! She makee smokee! Let that one waft past the hangar behind me and blipped it again. And again. And againnnnnn!!!!!!!! Looked back and the hangar was full of smoke, and a nice trail downwind about an eighth of a mile in the light breeze. Decided to call it good before the volunteer fire department showed up, since my apparatus had proven itself. Couple of things I noticed right away. One: the grass beneath and behind my airplane was all oily, so was my car parked downwind (tail of the airplane was tied to it, remember?). So were the gear legs. Maybe when the smoke is on with the airplane is flying it doesn't oil everything up so bad, but it consumed 3/4 of the bottle of baby oil and it looked like a good deal of it was unburned or maybe the smoke condenses. Second, when I would apply smoke the engine would start to stutter a bit on that side. It was definitely the smoke doing it. Not sure why, but again- maybe with higher power settings such as used in flight, it won't do that. Kind of strange. It will be nice to get the system complete and operational, but at least I know that my components will work and the smoke volume should be about right when the airplane is in flight. I don't know how Chuck "the master of baby oil" Gantzer does it, pirouetting his airplane in a cloud of smoke. He must get out of the airplane covered in oil! Took my brother up for a flight after that and made a pretty decent x-wind landing. Pietenpols forever! Oscar Zuniga NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. 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