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1. 06:22 AM - last word on baby oil (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 06:48 AM - Re: last word on baby oil ()
3. 06:50 AM - Re: last word on baby oil (Roman Bukolt)
4. 12:58 PM - Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (Catdesigns)
5. 03:40 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
6. 04:30 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (Ryan Michals)
7. 04:31 PM - Re: Service Bulletin (Gene & Tammy)
8. 05:00 PM - good ole brew & view (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 05:10 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (Catdesigns)
10. 06:19 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (Don Emch)
11. 08:25 PM - Re: Routine Maintenance (Steve Ruse)
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| Subject: | last word on baby oil |
I promise I'll drop the subject after this post. Check out this link and
see if it works for you:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/smoke/babyoil.html
Oscar Zuniga
NX41CC "El Taco Flaco"
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
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| Subject: | last word on baby oil |
HAHAHAHA!Oscar that was hilarious, ya just made my day!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: September 17, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: last word on baby oil
I promise I'll drop the subject after this post. Check out this link and
see if it works for you:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/smoke/babyoil.html
Oscar Zuniga
NX41CC "El Taco Flaco"
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
_________________________________________________________________
Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your
treat today!
http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2
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| Subject: | Re: last word on baby oil |
Oscar, Love your sense of humor.
You're so cool!
Roman Bukolt
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: last word on baby oil
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> I promise I'll drop the subject after this post. Check out this link and
> see if it works for you:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/smoke/babyoil.html
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> NX41CC "El Taco Flaco"
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your
> treat today!
> http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
Walt and Don :
I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What kind of material
did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and the brake
backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch long bronze sleeve.
Any problem with running bronze against bronze?
Anyone else using these brakes care to comment?
Thanks
Chris
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Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
Chris,
I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but can't.
these are the best I can do.
BUT,,,
The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then
whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the shoes
was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in the
wheel, it was bronze to bronze.
I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel hubs.
I oil them annually.
These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing.
Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them?
Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab to
get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them
during run-up, they hold.
And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't
count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to slow
down for fun.
A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in
the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope)
taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake and
the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over.
Sorry to ramble on
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
> <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>
> Walt and Don :
>
> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What kind
> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and
> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch long
> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze?
>
> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
What sort of wheel/brake set up are you running?
-----Original Message-----
From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: 9/17/2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
Chris,
I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but can't.
these are the best I can do.
BUT,,,
The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then
whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the shoes
was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in the
wheel, it was bronze to bronze.
I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel hubs.
I oil them annually.
These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing.
Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them?
Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab to
get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them
during run-up, they hold.
And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't
count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to slow
down for fun.
A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in
the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope)
taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake and
the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over.
Sorry to ramble on
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
> <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>
> Walt and Don :
>
> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What kind
> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and
> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch long
> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze?
>
> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris Tracy
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
Ryan,
Sorry it has taken so long to get back with you. I'm in the process of
moving everything around in my house and I can't find what I'm looking for.
Sometime back someone on this list posted a list they use when they do a
conditional inspection on their Piet. It was really outstanding and I
copied it to use but as I said I can't find it now. I think it would be
just what you're looking for to use as you inspect the Piet.
Hope someone comes forward to help you out.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin
> <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
>
> Would anyone like to share any airframe problems experienced during
> annual? Are there certain aeras prone to rot? Are there any weak areas? If
> there was a Piet service bulletin what would it be?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> --
> 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | good ole brew & view |
Hi all,
I am on the road next week going south to Greenville South Carolina a little
into Georgia on I85 and then to Memphis TN.
Any builders/owners in those areas willing to share a brew and or view of
their project?
Please let me know if you're interested I sure would like to get together
for some good old piet talking
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
4.5-inch Azusa drum brakes. Mine have aluminum backing plate but Walt must
have steel. Wish I had steel ones.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
> <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
>
> What sort of wheel/brake set up are you running?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 9/17/2007 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>
> Chris,
> I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but can't.
> these are the best I can do.
> BUT,,,
> The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then
> whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the
> shoes
> was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in
> the
> wheel, it was bronze to bronze.
> I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel
> hubs.
> I oil them annually.
> These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing.
> Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them?
> Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab
> to
> get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them
> during run-up, they hold.
> And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't
> count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to
> slow
> down for fun.
> A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in
> the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope)
> taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake and
> the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over.
> Sorry to ramble on
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>
>
>> <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>>
>> Walt and Don :
>>
>> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What kind
>> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and
>> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch
>> long
>> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze?
>>
>> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --------
>> Chris Tracy
>> WestCoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
Hi Chris,
What I did is very similar to Walt's. It's funny how similar our ships are! I
do have basically the same wheels and brakes. In looking at his pictures I really
only see one main difference. The piece of tubing that makes up my hub
is longer. It comes all the way out to the edge of the brake drum. Instead of
that tubing being about 6 1/2" it is about 8". So I guess while it's on the
airplane you wouldn't be able to see the difference in Walt's and mine. I think
a bronze bushing would be just fine to make up the difference, just keep
them well greased. Eventually I want to get a hold of some 6" wheels and get
some 8.50 X 6 tires and try them out. When I do I plan to just make up the difference
with bronze bushings.
Greasing them is very important. I made Larry Williams' hubs for his plane. When
I made them he assured me over the phone that his axle was 1.500". I made
them with the bushings at about 1.504". He said they were a little tight when
he put them on. The axle must have been a little larger. I thought maybe we
should open them up a little, but we never did. He went ahead and flew up to
Brodhead and Oshkosh. The morning after the EAA guys interviewed him for the
magazine article they wanted him to go up and do some air to air shots. He
started down the runway on takeoff and the plane started to pull to one side.
He stopped, taxied back and tried again. Same thing, and almost ground looped.
This time he taxied to the repair tent. They had to beat the wheel off with
a hammer. The bushings were so tight and so dry they practically welded themselves
on to the axle. After filing, sanding and regreasing they were ready
to go again. And the photoshoot was completed. Lesson learned: have at least
a few thousandths clearance fit, and file grooves in the bushings to hold the
grease. Then don't be afraid to grease them up! If it's too tight, once the
axle starts to warm up it grows and of course that just makes it worse.
Anyway, I really like the brakes. I really only use them for run up and for taxiing
on pavement around other airplanes and fuel pumps. With the high pressure
wheels on pavement it just likes to roll and roll. Just another reason to
stay away from pavement! Which by the way, on our Brodhead/Barnstorming trip
this year, I think we stopped at something like 16 airports and never once had
to land on pavement. No radio either. Is that just great or what!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134944#134944
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| Subject: | Routine Maintenance |
Here is Jack Philips list, I didn't think it would be a problem to re-send
it since he has posted it here before.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin
Ryan,
Sorry it has taken so long to get back with you. I'm in the process of
moving everything around in my house and I can't find what I'm looking for.
Sometime back someone on this list posted a list they use when they do a
conditional inspection on their Piet. It was really outstanding and I
copied it to use but as I said I can't find it now. I think it would be
just what you're looking for to use as you inspect the Piet.
Hope someone comes forward to help you out.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin
> <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
>
> Would anyone like to share any airframe problems experienced during
> annual? Are there certain aeras prone to rot? Are there any weak areas? If
> there was a Piet service bulletin what would it be?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> --
> 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
I've got a pretty similar checklist I use for my annual "Condition
Inspections", suitable for Pietenpols with straight axle landing gear
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Vander Voort
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
Chuck
Just did my annual inspection before the winter and decided to make a
checklist for this (see attached)
(See attached file: Pietenpol Air Camper anual inspection.doc)
As the weather has been pretty bad lately, I have decided to replace
some
engine components and to enlarge the wind screens.
Termotec is pretty good stuff, I have it on my exhaust tubes, to keep
heat
out from under the cowling.
Termotec is not flammable but can soak up oil.
You might smoke from unwanted places
Hans
NX15KV
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