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1. 02:58 AM - Re: Routine Maintenance (Gene & Tammy)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Routine Maintenance (Phillips, Jack)
3. 09:43 AM - smoking issues (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
4. 10:16 AM - Piet biplane (Brian Kraut)
5. 12:08 PM - wheel camber (Tom Bernie)
6. 12:24 PM - smoking issues (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 12:57 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
8. 12:57 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
9. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
10. 02:31 PM - Re: Piet biplane (Don Emch)
11. 02:51 PM - Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Max Hegler)
12. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (Catdesigns)
13. 04:08 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Phillips, Jack)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Piet biplane (Brian Kraut)
15. 05:14 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Gordon Bowen)
16. 06:08 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Max Hegler)
17. 06:19 PM - The perfect t-shirt (Patrick Panzera)
18. 06:29 PM - Everett Law/JAX Law (Don Emch)
19. 06:59 PM - Re: Everett Law/JAX Law (Glenn Thomas)
20. 07:19 PM - Re: wheel camber (Skip Gadd)
21. 07:43 PM - Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane (DJ Vegh)
22. 08:14 PM - Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane (Roman Bukolt)
23. 09:00 PM - Piet (Jeff Boatright)
24. 09:48 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
25. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: Piet biplane (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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Subject: | Re: Routine Maintenance |
That's the one I've been looking for! Thank you Steve.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
>
> Here is Jack Philips list, I didn't think it would be a problem to re-send
> it since he has posted it here before.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
> Tammy
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Ryan,
> Sorry it has taken so long to get back with you. I'm in the process of
> moving everything around in my house and I can't find what I'm looking
> for.
> Sometime back someone on this list posted a list they use when they do a
> conditional inspection on their Piet. It was really outstanding and I
> copied it to use but as I said I can't find it now. I think it would be
> just what you're looking for to use as you inspect the Piet.
> Hope someone comes forward to help you out.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:46 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin
>
>
>> <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Would anyone like to share any airframe problems experienced during
>> annual? Are there certain aeras prone to rot? Are there any weak areas?
>> If
>
>> there was a Piet service bulletin what would it be?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 9/11/2007 5:46 PM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
> Jack
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
>
> I've got a pretty similar checklist I use for my annual "Condition
> Inspections", suitable for Pietenpols with straight axle landing gear
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans
> Vander Voort
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:43 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
>
> Chuck
>
> Just did my annual inspection before the winter and decided to make a
> checklist for this (see attached)
>
> (See attached file: Pietenpol Air Camper anual inspection.doc)
>
> As the weather has been pretty bad lately, I have decided to replace
> some
> engine components and to enlarge the wind screens.
>
> Termotec is pretty good stuff, I have it on my exhaust tubes, to keep
> heat
> out from under the cowling.
> Termotec is not flammable but can soak up oil.
> You might smoke from unwanted places
>
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
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Subject: | Routine Maintenance |
Thanks for sending that, Steve. It saved me having to dig through my
files to look for it.
Bear in mind this list is specific to my Pietenpol (Continental A65,
straight axle landing gear) and will need to be modified for your
individual airplane's design.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Ruse
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance
Here is Jack Philips list, I didn't think it would be a problem to
re-send it since he has posted it here before.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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The most common thing people tell you after seeing your Piet smoking is
"boy, you've got some bad
rings in that engine son, or you really need to have your engine
checked."
The most fun thing about the smoke is when putting around the
countryside if you see a little league
game or some backyard picnic going on you circle with some smoke on and
they get quite an enjoyable time
out of it.
On a more serious use of the smoke system, this past Memorial Day a
local VFW dedicated a gorgeous granite
and stone monument to all the services and wars. They had a big
ceremony with a fast T-34 doing a low fly-over
for the opening and then just after the conclusion of the Star Spangled
Banner they had me fly over the
monument and do a 360 degree turn with full smoke on. In talking with
others after the event they said there
was not dry eye in the house. Made me feel somewhat useful in lifting
up a big THANK YOU to any veteran, past
or present, alive or not, who helped serve to give us all the freedom we
so much take for granted today.
End of speech.
Mike C.
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I was just looking at the GN-1 biplane project for sale on Barnstormers
(looks like a good deal, by the way) and a crazy idea went through my head.
Anyone ever built a biplane Scout before?
I would have assumed that the wings would have been shorter, but they look
pretty long in the pictures for this one. What is the normal span for the
biplane?
How hard is it to do a biplane conversion if you already have a completed
and covered fusalage? Have people done conversions to already finished
planes before?
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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Guys,
I'm finishing the landing gear (J3 clone with springs) for my GN-1 -- does anybody
have a suggested amount of camber to use?
Thanks in advance,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester Mass
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Mikee wrote-
>do a 360 degree turn with full smoke on.
>they said there was not a dry eye in the house.
Nope. All of 'em had oil mist in their eyes from looking up ;o)
Sorry... couldn't resist... diving for cover now...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
Ryan,
They are GoKart brakes. I can post particulars, if you need.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
> <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
>
> What sort of wheel/brake set up are you running?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 9/17/2007 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>
> Chris,
> I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but can't.
> these are the best I can do.
> BUT,,,
> The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then
> whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the
> shoes
> was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in
> the
> wheel, it was bronze to bronze.
> I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel
> hubs.
> I oil them annually.
> These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing.
> Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them?
> Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab
> to
> get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them
> during run-up, they hold.
> And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't
> count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to
> slow
> down for fun.
> A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in
> the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope)
> taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake and
> the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over.
> Sorry to ramble on
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>
>
>> <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>>
>> Walt and Don :
>>
>> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What kind
>> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and
>> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch
>> long
>> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze?
>>
>> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --------
>> Chris Tracy
>> WestCoastPiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
Yeah, mine were all steel
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
> <catdesigns@comcast.net>
>
> 4.5-inch Azusa drum brakes. Mine have aluminum backing plate but Walt
> must have steel. Wish I had steel ones.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>
>
>> <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
>>
>> What sort of wheel/brake set up are you running?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: 9/17/2007 6:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>>
>> Chris,
>> I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but
>> can't.
>> these are the best I can do.
>> BUT,,,
>> The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then
>> whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the
>> shoes
>> was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in
>> the
>> wheel, it was bronze to bronze.
>> I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel
>> hubs.
>> I oil them annually.
>> These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing.
>> Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them?
>> Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab
>> to
>> get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them
>> during run-up, they hold.
>> And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't
>> count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to
>> slow
>> down for fun.
>> A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in
>> the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope)
>> taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake
>> and
>> the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over.
>> Sorry to ramble on
>> Walt Evans
>> NX140DL
>> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>>
>>
>>> <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Walt and Don :
>>>
>>> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What
>>> kind
>>> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and
>>> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch
>>> long
>>> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze?
>>>
>>> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Chris Tracy
>>> WestCoastPiet.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
That's absolutely great!!
Ain't Life Grand.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> What I did is very similar to Walt's. It's funny how similar our ships
> are! I do have basically the same wheels and brakes. In looking at his
> pictures I really only see one main difference. The piece of tubing that
> makes up my hub is longer. It comes all the way out to the edge of the
> brake drum. Instead of that tubing being about 6 1/2" it is about 8".
> So I guess while it's on the airplane you wouldn't be able to see the
> difference in Walt's and mine. I think a bronze bushing would be just
> fine to make up the difference, just keep them well greased. Eventually I
> want to get a hold of some 6" wheels and get some 8.50 X 6 tires and try
> them out. When I do I plan to just make up the difference with bronze
> bushings.
>
> Greasing them is very important. I made Larry Williams' hubs for his
> plane. When I made them he assured me over the phone that his axle was
> 1.500". I made them with the bushings at about 1.504". He said they were
> a little tight when he put them on. The axle must have been a little
> larger. I thought maybe we should open them up a little, but we never
> did. He went ahead and flew up to Brodhead and Oshkosh. The morning
> after the EAA guys interviewed him for the magazine article they wanted
> him to go up and do some air to air shots. He started down the runway on
> takeoff and the plane started to pull to one side. He stopped, taxied
> back and tried again. Same thing, and almost ground looped. This time he
> taxied to the repair tent. They had to beat the wheel off with a hammer.
> The bushings were so tight and so dry they practically welded themselves
> on to the axle. After filing, sanding and regreasing they were ready to
> go again. And the photoshoot was completed. Le!
> sson learned: have at least a few thousandths clearance fit, and file
> grooves in the bushings to hold the grease. Then don't be afraid to
> grease them up! If it's too tight, once the axle starts to warm up it
> grows and of course that just makes it worse.
>
> Anyway, I really like the brakes. I really only use them for run up and
> for taxiing on pavement around other airplanes and fuel pumps. With the
> high pressure wheels on pavement it just likes to roll and roll. Just
> another reason to stay away from pavement! Which by the way, on our
> Brodhead/Barnstorming trip this year, I think we stopped at something
> like 16 airports and never once had to land on pavement. No radio either.
> Is that just great or what!!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134944#134944
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Piet biplane |
Brian,
I'm not sure about the biplane conversion, but are you the guy I just read about
in General Aviation News?
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135135#135135
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Subject: | Extra Pietenpol project for sale... |
I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for
sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now
my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or
instruments (compass is included and installed).
For detailed description and photos please email me off list:
MaxHegler@msn.com
Thanks,
Max
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Subject: | Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch |
Thanks Don and Walt. I really appreciate the help.
I just finished mounting the drum to the wheels tonight. Tomorrow I will
stop by the Sacramento Skyranch and pick up the correct length bolts.
Tomorrow night I hope to weld the mount for the brakes onto the axel..
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
do not archive
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> What I did is very similar to Walt's. It's funny how similar our ships
> are! I do have basically the same wheels and brakes. In looking at his
> pictures I really only see one main difference. The piece of tubing that
> makes up my hub is longer. It comes all the way out to the edge of the
> brake drum. Instead of that tubing being about 6 1/2" it is about 8".
> So I guess while it's on the airplane you wouldn't be able to see the
> difference in Walt's and mine. I think a bronze bushing would be just
> fine to make up the difference, just keep them well greased. Eventually I
> want to get a hold of some 6" wheels and get some 8.50 X 6 tires and try
> them out. When I do I plan to just make up the difference with bronze
> bushings.
>
> Greasing them is very important. I made Larry Williams' hubs for his
> plane. When I made them he assured me over the phone that his axle was
> 1.500". I made them with the bushings at about 1.504". He said they were
> a little tight when he put them on. The axle must have been a little
> larger. I thought maybe we should open them up a little, but we never
> did. He went ahead and flew up to Brodhead and Oshkosh. The morning
> after the EAA guys interviewed him for the magazine article they wanted
> him to go up and do some air to air shots. He started down the runway on
> takeoff and the plane started to pull to one side. He stopped, taxied
> back and tried again. Same thing, and almost ground looped. This time he
> taxied to the repair tent. They had to beat the wheel off with a hammer.
> The bushings were so tight and so dry they practically welded themselves
> on to the axle. After filing, sanding and regreasing they were ready to
> go again. And the photoshoot was completed. Le!
> sson learned: have at least a few thousandths clearance fit, and file
> grooves in the bushings to hold the grease. Then don't be afraid to
> grease them up! If it's too tight, once the axle starts to warm up it
> grows and of course that just makes it worse.
>
> Anyway, I really like the brakes. I really only use them for run up and
> for taxiing on pavement around other airplanes and fuel pumps. With the
> high pressure wheels on pavement it just likes to roll and roll. Just
> another reason to stay away from pavement! Which by the way, on our
> Brodhead/Barnstorming trip this year, I think we stopped at something
> like 16 airports and never once had to land on pavement. No radio either.
> Is that just great or what!!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134944#134944
>
>
>
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Subject: | Extra Pietenpol project for sale... |
For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub.
She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold
the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12
years of misery, as well as a good airplane.
Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even goes
to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find. This
one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max
Hegler
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for
sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now
my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or
instruments (compass is included and installed).
For detailed description and photos please email me off list:
MaxHegler@msn.com
Thanks,
Max
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Subject: | Re: Piet biplane |
That would be me.
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key
14878&-token.src=index&-nothing
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet biplane
Brian,
I'm not sure about the biplane conversion, but are you the guy I just read
about in General Aviation News?
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135135#135135
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Subject: | Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... |
YEP! Can't argue wisdom gained thru years of hard earned experience.
"Wanted----- companion, co-pilot, rivet bucking and other aircraft
building tools an asset, preference given to woman who owns airplane"
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub.
She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold
the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12
years of misery, as well as a good airplane.
Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even
goes to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find.
This one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max
Hegler
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project
for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and
now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no
engine or instruments (compass is included and installed).
For detailed description and photos please email me off list:
MaxHegler@msn.com
Thanks,
Max
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Subject: | Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... |
Well, I can't complain about the wife...she loves to fly and supports
almost everything I do. The problem is my hanger/garage has 2
Pietenpols, 1 RV-7 project, 1 RV-10 project and an ultralight
project...but only four of them are mine. Since I have 2 Pietenpols,
she thought someone else might enjoy the build process...
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub.
She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold
the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12
years of misery, as well as a good airplane.
Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even
goes to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find.
This one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max
Hegler
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project
for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and
now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no
engine or instruments (compass is included and installed).
For detailed description and photos please email me off list:
MaxHegler@msn.com
Thanks,
Max
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Subject: | The perfect t-shirt |
YEP! Can't argue wisdom gained thru years of hard earned experience.
"Wanted----- companion, co-pilot, rivet bucking and other aircraft building
tools an asset, preference given to woman who owns airplane"
http://www.flycorvair.com/tshirt.html
Pat
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Subject: | Everett Law/JAX Law |
Brian,
I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really strange that
I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were on it! For those
of you not familiar with this you need to check it out. In Jacksonville, FL you
can work on your motorcycle, build furniture, build a dragster, or even a boat,
but it is illegal to build an airplane in your home or garage!! Absolutely
absurd!! AAAhhh!!!
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing
Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me know.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135174#135174
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Subject: | Re: Everett Law/JAX Law |
Some ideas...
- How "enforced" is a fairly ridiculous law like that? (akin to
"against the law in Storrs, Connecticut to wear your T-shirt inside out on
Thursdays")
- I would look at the consequences and probably press on with the
project if there are no public canings involved. I can just see it on COPS
when they raid the poor guy's house, find the cabane fittings on his work
bench ("A-ha, what are these??") and then kick their way into the secret
room in his basement that the spruce sniffing dogs lead them to, to find
that he's been secretly building a fuselage and then they haul him out in
cuffs making typical COPS self-congratulatory comments.
- Who could tell what it is when it's uncovered?
- According to my EAA chapter, an Air Camper isn't really a plane
anyway.
Sorry, I'll behave now.
On 9/18/07, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really strange
> that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were on it! For
> those of you not familiar with this you need to check it out. In
> Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build furniture, build a
> dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build an airplane in your
> home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!!
>
>
> http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing
>
> Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me know.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135174#135174
>
>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Tom,
My GN-1 has Cub gear and Cub wheels and tires. It has 1 degree out at the
top camber. That is at rest no pilot or passenger aboard.
Skip
> I'm finishing the landing gear (J3 clone with springs) for my GN-1 --
does anybody have a suggested amount of camber to use?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tom Bernie
> Gloucester Mass
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Subject: | Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane |
I have built very large scale model airplanes before. My largest was a
40% scale Giles. Who's to say you decide not to make a 1:1 scale model
of the Aircamper? And then maybe the day after you finish it you decide
that you might want to ride in it afterall?
I guess my question is... what is the legal definition of airplane
according to that ordinance? does it exempt radio control model
airplane builders?
DJ Vegh
former GN-1 builder
www.azchoppercam.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Thomas
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Everett Law/JAX Law
Some ideas...
a.. How "enforced" is a fairly ridiculous law like that? (akin to
"against the law in Storrs, Connecticut to wear your T-shirt inside out
on Thursdays")
b.. I would look at the consequences and probably press on with the
project if there are no public canings involved. I can just see it on
COPS when they raid the poor guy's house, find the cabane fittings on
his work bench ("A-ha, what are these??") and then kick their way into
the secret room in his basement that the spruce sniffing dogs lead them
to, to find that he's been secretly building a fuselage and then they
haul him out in cuffs making typical COPS self-congratulatory comments.
c.. Who could tell what it is when it's uncovered?
d.. According to my EAA chapter, an Air Camper isn't really a plane
anyway.
Sorry, I'll behave now.
On 9/18/07, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
Brian,
I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really
strange that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were
on it! For those of you not familiar with this you need to check it
out. In Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build
furniture, build a dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build
an airplane in your home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!!
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.k
ey=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing
Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me
know.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: | Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane |
I beleive in the U.S. your limit is 55 lb.
If it is over weight you must get special permission from someone to fly
it, but I don't knowwho?
Perhaps the FAA?
And then it's probably limited to having a dummy for a pilot, but as
they say,
"If the shoe fits........"
Roman Bukolt, dba Concept Models
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane
I have built very large scale model airplanes before. My largest was
a 40% scale Giles. Who's to say you decide not to make a 1:1 scale
model of the Aircamper? And then maybe the day after you finish it you
decide that you might want to ride in it afterall?
I guess my question is... what is the legal definition of airplane
according to that ordinance? does it exempt radio control model
airplane builders?
DJ Vegh
former GN-1 builder
www.azchoppercam.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Thomas
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Everett Law/JAX Law
Some ideas...
a.. How "enforced" is a fairly ridiculous law like that? (akin to
"against the law in Storrs, Connecticut to wear your T-shirt inside out
on Thursdays")
b.. I would look at the consequences and probably press on with
the project if there are no public canings involved. I can just see it
on COPS when they raid the poor guy's house, find the cabane fittings on
his work bench ("A-ha, what are these??") and then kick their way into
the secret room in his basement that the spruce sniffing dogs lead them
to, to find that he's been secretly building a fuselage and then they
haul him out in cuffs making typical COPS self-congratulatory comments.
c.. Who could tell what it is when it's uncovered?
d.. According to my EAA chapter, an Air Camper isn't really a
plane anyway.
Sorry, I'll behave now.
On 9/18/07, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote:
>
Brian,
I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really
strange that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were
on it! For those of you not familiar with this you need to check it
out. In Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build
furniture, build a dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build
an airplane in your home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!!
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.k
ey=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing
Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let
me know.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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We had a hard landing in the Piet. For those of you following the
drama, I can't lay claim to that particular landing (but my previous
landings caused the tail gear to collapse).
I have attached some photos of the damage. Basically, the front left
gear strut was forced up into the fuselage, putting a twist in the
longeron (cracked it slightly) and pretty much breaking the
surrounding plywood floor and gusset.
It may be that we can splice the longeron and replace the floorboard
plywood. We plan to take this opportunity to rethink the gear and
wing attach points. Maybe we will use a channel piece between the
gear legs like Grega calls for, and maybe even use Grega wing attach
fittings rather than the Piet tang like at DJ Vegh's websites:
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/04-22-02.htm
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/04-30-02.htm
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/05-04-02.htm
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/05-30-02.htm
http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/06-05-02.htm
In the UK, they seem to use a gear that is a hybrid of Piet, Grega,
and Piper. Here's the best photo I could find of the UK landing gear:
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=707&fullsize=1
Several of the UK Piet's are built this way, but I couldn't find good
photos. This one even uses the Grega front pieces for landing gear
AND wing attach points:
http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=330&fullsize=1
I'm reading AC 43.13 for acceptable methods for spar splicing. I
can't find anything for longeron splicing. My concern with this
guideline is that the Piet longeron takes a pounding with landing
loads right at this spot (obviously), so I don't know if AC 43.13 is
sufficient to this specific need.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Jeff
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Subject: | Extra Pietenpol project for sale... |
Jack,
Can I order one wife to go from the orginial stock you found your wife from???
Last one walked away after 5 years! Then... she found herself a nice attorney
and cleaned out both my pockets! Plenty of baby oil in my eyes!
Sincerely,
KM Heide
Fargo, ND
"Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com> wrote:
For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub.
She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold the
airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery,
as well as a good airplane.
Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even goes to Oshkosh
with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find. This one even
helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Hegler
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for sale.
It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now my wife says
one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or instruments (compass
is included and installed).
For detailed description and photos please email me off list: MaxHegler@msn.com
Thanks,
Max
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
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Subject: | Re: Piet biplane |
Brian........
STAY THE COURSE!!!!
My father owns a piece of commercial property along the bay in Duluth, MN. It
has been zoned C-4 for many years. He can build up to an 800 foot ore boat if
he wishes. Yes, the neighbors complained when he would work on his 50 foot cruiser.
Complaint were flying in all directions. His good friend "Mr. Attorney"
reminded all the neighbors at a community gathering of the C-4 zoning and all
"legal cost" if his client were to seek damages.
Amazing.....never heard another peep in all these years.....
KM Heide
Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote:
That would be me.
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key
14878&-token.src=index&-nothing
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet biplane
Brian,
I'm not sure about the biplane conversion, but are you the guy I just read
about in General Aviation News?
Don Emch
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135135#135135
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
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