Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 09/18/07


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:58 AM - Re: Routine Maintenance (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 04:30 AM - Re: Routine Maintenance (Phillips, Jack)
     3. 09:43 AM - smoking issues (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC])
     4. 10:16 AM - Piet biplane (Brian Kraut)
     5. 12:08 PM - wheel camber (Tom Bernie)
     6. 12:24 PM - smoking issues (Oscar Zuniga)
     7. 12:57 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
     8. 12:57 PM - Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
     9. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (walt evans)
    10. 02:31 PM - Re: Piet biplane (Don Emch)
    11. 02:51 PM - Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Max Hegler)
    12. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch (Catdesigns)
    13. 04:08 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Phillips, Jack)
    14. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Piet biplane (Brian Kraut)
    15. 05:14 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Gordon Bowen)
    16. 06:08 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (Max Hegler)
    17. 06:19 PM - The perfect t-shirt (Patrick Panzera)
    18. 06:29 PM - Everett Law/JAX Law (Don Emch)
    19. 06:59 PM - Re: Everett Law/JAX Law (Glenn Thomas)
    20. 07:19 PM - Re: wheel camber (Skip Gadd)
    21. 07:43 PM - Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane (DJ Vegh)
    22. 08:14 PM - Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane (Roman Bukolt)
    23. 09:00 PM - Piet (Jeff Boatright)
    24. 09:48 PM - Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
    25. 09:58 PM - Re: Re: Piet biplane (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:58:48 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Routine Maintenance
    That's the one I've been looking for! Thank you Steve. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ruse" <steve@wotelectronics.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance > > Here is Jack Philips list, I didn't think it would be a problem to re-send > it since he has posted it here before. > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & > Tammy > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:31 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin > > <zharvey@bellsouth.net> > > Ryan, > Sorry it has taken so long to get back with you. I'm in the process of > moving everything around in my house and I can't find what I'm looking > for. > Sometime back someone on this list posted a list they use when they do a > conditional inspection on their Piet. It was really outstanding and I > copied it to use but as I said I can't find it now. I think it would be > just what you're looking for to use as you inspect the Piet. > Hope someone comes forward to help you out. > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:46 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Service Bulletin > > >> <aircamperace@yahoo.com> >> >> Would anyone like to share any airframe problems experienced during >> annual? Are there certain aeras prone to rot? Are there any weak areas? >> If > >> there was a Piet service bulletin what would it be? >> >> Ryan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 9/11/2007 5:46 PM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, > Jack > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:19 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance > > I've got a pretty similar checklist I use for my annual "Condition > Inspections", suitable for Pietenpols with straight axle landing gear > > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans > Vander Voort > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:43 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance > > Chuck > > Just did my annual inspection before the winter and decided to make a > checklist for this (see attached) > > (See attached file: Pietenpol Air Camper anual inspection.doc) > > As the weather has been pretty bad lately, I have decided to replace > some > engine components and to enlarge the wind screens. > > Termotec is pretty good stuff, I have it on my exhaust tubes, to keep > heat > out from under the cowling. > Termotec is not flammable but can soak up oil. > You might smoke from unwanted places > > > Hans > > NX15KV > > _________________________________________________ > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have > received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - > N > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1:29 PM


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    Time: 04:30:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Routine Maintenance
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    Thanks for sending that, Steve. It saved me having to dig through my files to look for it. Bear in mind this list is specific to my Pietenpol (Continental A65, straight axle landing gear) and will need to be modified for your individual airplane's design. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance Here is Jack Philips list, I didn't think it would be a problem to re-send it since he has posted it here before. Steve Ruse Norman, OK _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 09:43:10 AM PST US
    Subject: smoking issues
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXC0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    The most common thing people tell you after seeing your Piet smoking is "boy, you've got some bad rings in that engine son, or you really need to have your engine checked." The most fun thing about the smoke is when putting around the countryside if you see a little league game or some backyard picnic going on you circle with some smoke on and they get quite an enjoyable time out of it. On a more serious use of the smoke system, this past Memorial Day a local VFW dedicated a gorgeous granite and stone monument to all the services and wars. They had a big ceremony with a fast T-34 doing a low fly-over for the opening and then just after the conclusion of the Star Spangled Banner they had me fly over the monument and do a 360 degree turn with full smoke on. In talking with others after the event they said there was not dry eye in the house. Made me feel somewhat useful in lifting up a big THANK YOU to any veteran, past or present, alive or not, who helped serve to give us all the freedom we so much take for granted today. End of speech. Mike C.


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    Time: 10:16:59 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
    Subject: Piet biplane
    I was just looking at the GN-1 biplane project for sale on Barnstormers (looks like a good deal, by the way) and a crazy idea went through my head. Anyone ever built a biplane Scout before? I would have assumed that the wings would have been shorter, but they look pretty long in the pictures for this one. What is the normal span for the biplane? How hard is it to do a biplane conversion if you already have a completed and covered fusalage? Have people done conversions to already finished planes before? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com


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    Time: 12:08:07 PM PST US
    From: Tom Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
    Subject: wheel camber
    Guys, I'm finishing the landing gear (J3 clone with springs) for my GN-1 -- does anybody have a suggested amount of camber to use? Thanks in advance, Tom Bernie Gloucester Mass


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    Time: 12:24:39 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: smoking issues
    Mikee wrote- >do a 360 degree turn with full smoke on. >they said there was not a dry eye in the house. Nope. All of 'em had oil mist in their eyes from looking up ;o) Sorry... couldn't resist... diving for cover now... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1


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    Time: 12:57:31 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
    Ryan, They are GoKart brakes. I can post particulars, if you need. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch > <aircamperace@yahoo.com> > > What sort of wheel/brake set up are you running? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: 9/17/2007 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch > > Chris, > I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but can't. > these are the best I can do. > BUT,,, > The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then > whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the > shoes > was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in > the > wheel, it was bronze to bronze. > I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel > hubs. > I oil them annually. > These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing. > Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them? > Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab > to > get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them > during run-up, they hold. > And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't > count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to > slow > down for fun. > A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in > the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope) > taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake and > the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over. > Sorry to ramble on > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch > > >> <Catdesigns@comcast.net> >> >> Walt and Don : >> >> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What kind >> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and >> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch >> long >> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze? >> >> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment? >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris >> >> -------- >> Chris Tracy >> WestCoastPiet.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 12:57:31 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
    Yeah, mine were all steel Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch > <catdesigns@comcast.net> > > 4.5-inch Azusa drum brakes. Mine have aluminum backing plate but Walt > must have steel. Wish I had steel ones. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:28 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch > > >> <aircamperace@yahoo.com> >> >> What sort of wheel/brake set up are you running? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: 9/17/2007 6:58 PM >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch >> >> Chris, >> I've been going thru my old pics trying to find the right shot, but >> can't. >> these are the best I can do. >> BUT,,, >> The brake back plate, with shoes, is solid mounted to the axle, then >> whatever spacer I needed so the drum would position correctly over the >> shoes >> was used. It was also a bronze sleeve. And with the bronze sleeves in >> the >> wheel, it was bronze to bronze. >> I drilled small oil holes over each bronze sleeve bearing in the wheel >> hubs. >> I oil them annually. >> These are one of the things that I worried about when building/designing. >> Would the oil get on the shoes and ruin them? >> Don't really know what's going on inside the brakes,,,but they don't grab >> to >> get me into the horror situations of nosing over,,,and when I mash them >> during run-up, they hold. >> And since I was taught by a geat WW11 P-51 pilot, who always said, don't >> count on the brakes, fly like they're not there,,,,,,I only use them to >> slow >> down for fun. >> A newer instructor in the 90's (who used to drop cargo into an opening in >> the forrest, with a DC-3, while spiriling, with the load on a long rope) >> taught me that,,,when braking with a taildragger, if you use one brake >> and >> the opposite rudder, you may ground loop, but you'll never nose over. >> Sorry to ramble on >> Walt Evans >> NX140DL >> "No one ever learned anything by talking" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net> >> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:57 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch >> >> >>> <Catdesigns@comcast.net> >>> >>> Walt and Don : >>> >>> I am using the same drum brakes you have and need some advice. What >>> kind >>> of material did you use for a spacer between the inner wheel bushing and >>> the brake backing plate? I was thinking of just slipping on a 1-inch >>> long >>> bronze sleeve. Any problem with running bronze against bronze? >>> >>> Anyone else using these brakes care to comment? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -------- >>> Chris Tracy >>> WestCoastPiet.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134883#134883 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 01:01:39 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
    That's absolutely great!! Ain't Life Grand. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch > > Hi Chris, > > What I did is very similar to Walt's. It's funny how similar our ships > are! I do have basically the same wheels and brakes. In looking at his > pictures I really only see one main difference. The piece of tubing that > makes up my hub is longer. It comes all the way out to the edge of the > brake drum. Instead of that tubing being about 6 1/2" it is about 8". > So I guess while it's on the airplane you wouldn't be able to see the > difference in Walt's and mine. I think a bronze bushing would be just > fine to make up the difference, just keep them well greased. Eventually I > want to get a hold of some 6" wheels and get some 8.50 X 6 tires and try > them out. When I do I plan to just make up the difference with bronze > bushings. > > Greasing them is very important. I made Larry Williams' hubs for his > plane. When I made them he assured me over the phone that his axle was > 1.500". I made them with the bushings at about 1.504". He said they were > a little tight when he put them on. The axle must have been a little > larger. I thought maybe we should open them up a little, but we never > did. He went ahead and flew up to Brodhead and Oshkosh. The morning > after the EAA guys interviewed him for the magazine article they wanted > him to go up and do some air to air shots. He started down the runway on > takeoff and the plane started to pull to one side. He stopped, taxied > back and tried again. Same thing, and almost ground looped. This time he > taxied to the repair tent. They had to beat the wheel off with a hammer. > The bushings were so tight and so dry they practically welded themselves > on to the axle. After filing, sanding and regreasing they were ready to > go again. And the photoshoot was completed. Le! > sson learned: have at least a few thousandths clearance fit, and file > grooves in the bushings to hold the grease. Then don't be afraid to > grease them up! If it's too tight, once the axle starts to warm up it > grows and of course that just makes it worse. > > Anyway, I really like the brakes. I really only use them for run up and > for taxiing on pavement around other airplanes and fuel pumps. With the > high pressure wheels on pavement it just likes to roll and roll. Just > another reason to stay away from pavement! Which by the way, on our > Brodhead/Barnstorming trip this year, I think we stopped at something > like 16 airports and never once had to land on pavement. No radio either. > Is that just great or what!! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134944#134944 > > >


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    Time: 02:31:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piet biplane
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Brian, I'm not sure about the biplane conversion, but are you the guy I just read about in General Aviation News? Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135135#135135


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    Time: 02:51:31 PM PST US
    From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler@msn.com>
    Subject: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
    I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or instruments (compass is included and installed). For detailed description and photos please email me off list: MaxHegler@msn.com Thanks, Max


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    Time: 02:53:27 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch
    Thanks Don and Walt. I really appreciate the help. I just finished mounting the drum to the wheels tonight. Tomorrow I will stop by the Sacramento Skyranch and pick up the correct length bolts. Tomorrow night I hope to weld the mount for the brakes onto the axel.. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question for Walt Evans and Don Emch do not archive > > Hi Chris, > > What I did is very similar to Walt's. It's funny how similar our ships > are! I do have basically the same wheels and brakes. In looking at his > pictures I really only see one main difference. The piece of tubing that > makes up my hub is longer. It comes all the way out to the edge of the > brake drum. Instead of that tubing being about 6 1/2" it is about 8". > So I guess while it's on the airplane you wouldn't be able to see the > difference in Walt's and mine. I think a bronze bushing would be just > fine to make up the difference, just keep them well greased. Eventually I > want to get a hold of some 6" wheels and get some 8.50 X 6 tires and try > them out. When I do I plan to just make up the difference with bronze > bushings. > > Greasing them is very important. I made Larry Williams' hubs for his > plane. When I made them he assured me over the phone that his axle was > 1.500". I made them with the bushings at about 1.504". He said they were > a little tight when he put them on. The axle must have been a little > larger. I thought maybe we should open them up a little, but we never > did. He went ahead and flew up to Brodhead and Oshkosh. The morning > after the EAA guys interviewed him for the magazine article they wanted > him to go up and do some air to air shots. He started down the runway on > takeoff and the plane started to pull to one side. He stopped, taxied > back and tried again. Same thing, and almost ground looped. This time he > taxied to the repair tent. They had to beat the wheel off with a hammer. > The bushings were so tight and so dry they practically welded themselves > on to the axle. After filing, sanding and regreasing they were ready to > go again. And the photoshoot was completed. Le! > sson learned: have at least a few thousandths clearance fit, and file > grooves in the bushings to hold the grease. Then don't be afraid to > grease them up! If it's too tight, once the axle starts to warm up it > grows and of course that just makes it worse. > > Anyway, I really like the brakes. I really only use them for run up and > for taxiing on pavement around other airplanes and fuel pumps. With the > high pressure wheels on pavement it just likes to roll and roll. Just > another reason to stay away from pavement! Which by the way, on our > Brodhead/Barnstorming trip this year, I think we stopped at something > like 16 airports and never once had to land on pavement. No radio either. > Is that just great or what!! > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134944#134944 > > >


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    Time: 04:08:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub. She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery, as well as a good airplane. Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even goes to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find. This one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Hegler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or instruments (compass is included and installed). For detailed description and photos please email me off list: MaxHegler@msn.com Thanks, Max _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 04:24:42 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
    Subject: Re: Piet biplane
    That would be me. http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key 14878&-token.src=index&-nothing Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet biplane Brian, I'm not sure about the biplane conversion, but are you the guy I just read about in General Aviation News? Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135135#135135


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    Time: 05:14:59 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
    YEP! Can't argue wisdom gained thru years of hard earned experience. "Wanted----- companion, co-pilot, rivet bucking and other aircraft building tools an asset, preference given to woman who owns airplane" Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub. She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery, as well as a good airplane. Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even goes to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find. This one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Hegler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or instruments (compass is included and installed). For detailed description and photos please email me off list: MaxHegler@msn.com Thanks, Max ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 06:08:54 PM PST US
    From: "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
    Well, I can't complain about the wife...she loves to fly and supports almost everything I do. The problem is my hanger/garage has 2 Pietenpols, 1 RV-7 project, 1 RV-10 project and an ultralight project...but only four of them are mine. Since I have 2 Pietenpols, she thought someone else might enjoy the build process... Max ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub. She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery, as well as a good airplane. Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even goes to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find. This one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Hegler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or instruments (compass is included and installed). For detailed description and photos please email me off list: MaxHegler@msn.com Thanks, Max ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 06:19:04 PM PST US
    From: "Patrick Panzera" <Panzera@experimental-aviation.com>
    Subject: The perfect t-shirt
    YEP! Can't argue wisdom gained thru years of hard earned experience. "Wanted----- companion, co-pilot, rivet bucking and other aircraft building tools an asset, preference given to woman who owns airplane" http://www.flycorvair.com/tshirt.html Pat


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    Time: 06:29:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Everett Law/JAX Law
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Brian, I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really strange that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were on it! For those of you not familiar with this you need to check it out. In Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build furniture, build a dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build an airplane in your home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!! http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me know. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135174#135174


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    Time: 06:59:16 PM PST US
    From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
    Subject: Re: Everett Law/JAX Law
    Some ideas... - How "enforced" is a fairly ridiculous law like that? (akin to "against the law in Storrs, Connecticut to wear your T-shirt inside out on Thursdays") - I would look at the consequences and probably press on with the project if there are no public canings involved. I can just see it on COPS when they raid the poor guy's house, find the cabane fittings on his work bench ("A-ha, what are these??") and then kick their way into the secret room in his basement that the spruce sniffing dogs lead them to, to find that he's been secretly building a fuselage and then they haul him out in cuffs making typical COPS self-congratulatory comments. - Who could tell what it is when it's uncovered? - According to my EAA chapter, an Air Camper isn't really a plane anyway. Sorry, I'll behave now. On 9/18/07, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > > Brian, > > I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really strange > that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were on it! For > those of you not familiar with this you need to check it out. In > Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build furniture, build a > dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build an airplane in your > home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!! > > > http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing > > Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me know. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135174#135174 > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com


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    Time: 07:19:29 PM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: wheel camber
    Tom, My GN-1 has Cub gear and Cub wheels and tires. It has 1 degree out at the top camber. That is at rest no pilot or passenger aboard. Skip > I'm finishing the landing gear (J3 clone with springs) for my GN-1 -- does anybody have a suggested amount of camber to use? > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom Bernie > Gloucester Mass


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    Time: 07:43:38 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
    Subject: Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane
    I have built very large scale model airplanes before. My largest was a 40% scale Giles. Who's to say you decide not to make a 1:1 scale model of the Aircamper? And then maybe the day after you finish it you decide that you might want to ride in it afterall? I guess my question is... what is the legal definition of airplane according to that ordinance? does it exempt radio control model airplane builders? DJ Vegh former GN-1 builder www.azchoppercam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Thomas To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Everett Law/JAX Law Some ideas... a.. How "enforced" is a fairly ridiculous law like that? (akin to "against the law in Storrs, Connecticut to wear your T-shirt inside out on Thursdays") b.. I would look at the consequences and probably press on with the project if there are no public canings involved. I can just see it on COPS when they raid the poor guy's house, find the cabane fittings on his work bench ("A-ha, what are these??") and then kick their way into the secret room in his basement that the spruce sniffing dogs lead them to, to find that he's been secretly building a fuselage and then they haul him out in cuffs making typical COPS self-congratulatory comments. c.. Who could tell what it is when it's uncovered? d.. According to my EAA chapter, an Air Camper isn't really a plane anyway. Sorry, I'll behave now. On 9/18/07, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: Brian, I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really strange that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were on it! For those of you not familiar with this you need to check it out. In Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build furniture, build a dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build an airplane in your home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!! http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.k ey=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me know. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com


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    Time: 08:14:43 PM PST US
    From: "Roman Bukolt" <conceptmodels@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane
    I beleive in the U.S. your limit is 55 lb. If it is over weight you must get special permission from someone to fly it, but I don't knowwho? Perhaps the FAA? And then it's probably limited to having a dummy for a pilot, but as they say, "If the shoe fits........" Roman Bukolt, dba Concept Models Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: DJ Vegh To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Everett Law/JAX Law - LARGE model plane I have built very large scale model airplanes before. My largest was a 40% scale Giles. Who's to say you decide not to make a 1:1 scale model of the Aircamper? And then maybe the day after you finish it you decide that you might want to ride in it afterall? I guess my question is... what is the legal definition of airplane according to that ordinance? does it exempt radio control model airplane builders? DJ Vegh former GN-1 builder www.azchoppercam.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Thomas To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Everett Law/JAX Law Some ideas... a.. How "enforced" is a fairly ridiculous law like that? (akin to "against the law in Storrs, Connecticut to wear your T-shirt inside out on Thursdays") b.. I would look at the consequences and probably press on with the project if there are no public canings involved. I can just see it on COPS when they raid the poor guy's house, find the cabane fittings on his work bench ("A-ha, what are these??") and then kick their way into the secret room in his basement that the spruce sniffing dogs lead them to, to find that he's been secretly building a fuselage and then they haul him out in cuffs making typical COPS self-congratulatory comments. c.. Who could tell what it is when it's uncovered? d.. According to my EAA chapter, an Air Camper isn't really a plane anyway. Sorry, I'll behave now. On 9/18/07, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > Brian, I was reading this today and could hardly believe it. It's really strange that I checked out the Matronics site this evening and you were on it! For those of you not familiar with this you need to check it out. In Jacksonville, FL you can work on your motorcycle, build furniture, build a dragster, or even a boat, but it is illegal to build an airplane in your home or garage!! Absolutely absurd!! AAAhhh!!! http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.k ey=14878&-token.src=news&-nothing Brian, if there is anything I can do to help out your cause, let me know. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 09:00:40 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Piet
    We had a hard landing in the Piet. For those of you following the drama, I can't lay claim to that particular landing (but my previous landings caused the tail gear to collapse). I have attached some photos of the damage. Basically, the front left gear strut was forced up into the fuselage, putting a twist in the longeron (cracked it slightly) and pretty much breaking the surrounding plywood floor and gusset. It may be that we can splice the longeron and replace the floorboard plywood. We plan to take this opportunity to rethink the gear and wing attach points. Maybe we will use a channel piece between the gear legs like Grega calls for, and maybe even use Grega wing attach fittings rather than the Piet tang like at DJ Vegh's websites: http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/04-22-02.htm http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/04-30-02.htm http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/05-04-02.htm http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/05-30-02.htm http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/Log/image-pages/06-05-02.htm In the UK, they seem to use a gear that is a hybrid of Piet, Grega, and Piper. Here's the best photo I could find of the UK landing gear: http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=707&fullsize=1 Several of the UK Piet's are built this way, but I couldn't find good photos. This one even uses the Grega front pieces for landing gear AND wing attach points: http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=330&fullsize=1 I'm reading AC 43.13 for acceptable methods for spar splicing. I can't find anything for longeron splicing. My concern with this guideline is that the Piet longeron takes a pounding with landing loads right at this spot (obviously), so I don't know if AC 43.13 is sufficient to this specific need. Any thoughts appreciated. Jeff


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    Time: 09:48:06 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Extra Pietenpol project for sale...
    Jack, Can I order one wife to go from the orginial stock you found your wife from??? Last one walked away after 5 years! Then... she found herself a nice attorney and cleaned out both my pockets! Plenty of baby oil in my eyes! Sincerely, KM Heide Fargo, ND "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com> wrote: For what it's worth, I had a wife once that made me sell my J-3 Cub. She said "Either the airplane goes, or I go." I made a mistake and sold the airplane. Should have divorced her on the spot and saved myself 12 years of misery, as well as a good airplane. Now I've got a GOOD wife, one that actually enjoys flying, and even goes to Oshkosh with me. They are out there, but are not easy to find. This one even helps by bucking rivets on the RV10 project. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Hegler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extra Pietenpol project for sale... I just wanted to let everyone know I have an extra Pietenpol project for sale. It belonged to a friend that passed away and I bought it and now my wife says one has to go. It is fairly complete, but has no engine or instruments (compass is included and installed). For detailed description and photos please email me off list: MaxHegler@msn.com Thanks, Max ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.


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    Time: 09:58:45 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Piet biplane
    Brian........ STAY THE COURSE!!!! My father owns a piece of commercial property along the bay in Duluth, MN. It has been zoned C-4 for many years. He can build up to an 800 foot ore boat if he wishes. Yes, the neighbors complained when he would work on his 50 foot cruiser. Complaint were flying in all directions. His good friend "Mr. Attorney" reminded all the neighbors at a community gathering of the C-4 zoning and all "legal cost" if his client were to seek damages. Amazing.....never heard another peep in all these years..... KM Heide Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote: That would be me. http://www.generalaviationnews.com/editorial/articledetail.lasso?-token.key 14878&-token.src=index&-nothing Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet biplane Brian, I'm not sure about the biplane conversion, but are you the guy I just read about in General Aviation News? Don Emch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135135#135135 Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.




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