---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/20/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Re: wheel camber (Tom Bernie) 2. 05:50 AM - Re: Potential Auto engine for Pietes (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 3. 02:20 PM - Sanding ribs (Brian Kraut) 4. 02:41 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 5. 02:44 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Ed G.) 6. 02:50 PM - Cabane strut and fitting question (Jack T. Textor) 7. 02:51 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Jack T. Textor) 8. 02:52 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Jim Lathrop) 9. 02:54 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Skip Gadd) 10. 02:55 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Steve Eldredge) 11. 03:02 PM - Re: Cabane strut and fitting question (Barry Davis) 12. 03:07 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (walt evans) 13. 05:08 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Brian Kraut) 14. 06:01 PM - Re: Sanding ribs (Glenn Thomas) 15. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Sanding ribs (Steve Eldredge) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:52 AM PST US From: Tom Bernie Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wheel camber Skip, Guess I'll initially rig my gear for 5 degrees negative camber, then pin them at the correct point when the plane is finished. Thanks for the input. Tom Bernie Gloucester, Mass -----Original Message----- >From: Skip Gadd >Sent: Sep 19, 2007 10:04 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wheel camber > > >Tom, >My GN-1 has bungees. The Piet I am building does has springs. I am planning >to adjust the spring legs so the wheels have 0 degrees camber at gross. >Skip > > >> Maby I can figure it backwards (if you use springs) what increase in >camber do you think you experience with a full load? >> Thanks for the response, >> Tom Bernie >> Gloucester, Mass > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:59 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Potential Auto engine for Pietes Some further research in to the rotary engine reveals a distinct possibility for a Piet. http://www.atkinsrotary.com/index.php?pag=50-19 Michael ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:16 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:57 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs Brian, A router works fast and very well... Brian Kraut wrote: The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:47 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs That's how I did mine...1" belt sander with a fine, slightly worn belt and held the rib at an angle to the belt so it just knocks off the gusset material. A new belt would be way too hard to control. I used the unsupported part of the belt. I did lightly tick the corner of the spruce once in a while, not a biggie. Just have to take it slow and careful. That was the only efficient way I could think of to do it but there are probably others......Ed G. Fl. West coast ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane strut and fitting question From: "Jack T. Textor" Help guys, Checked pictures and archives and could use your input. My cabane fittings are about =BE in wide ID (where the strut connects). My aluminum (Barry Davis) struts are a little over an inch wide OD. Is it better to have the strut fit OVER the fitting, inside the fitting or attach to the fitting via internal block that extends out past the strut. That's about clear as mud, sorry! And thanks! Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs From: "Jack T. Textor" Brian, I first used a router to trim, and then beveled the edges on my 12" disk sander. Jack Textor ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:18 PM PST US From: "Jim Lathrop" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs Router with a laminate cut-off bit. Jim Lathrop On 9/20/07, Brian Kraut wrote: > > The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets > hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am > finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on > the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded > them? > > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > ** > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:37 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs My Dremel tool came with a router attachment. It took awhile to set up, but then it was guaranteed to cut the ply off at 45 degrees and not touch the spruce. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut Sent: 9/20/2007 5:24:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:59 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs Router, with a flush cut bit on a router table. Steve e From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am findin g that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the un dercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:12 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cabane strut and fitting question Use an internal block inside the strut then go down to 3/4" outside. Check out a Cessna 150 for ideas. BED ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane strut and fitting question Help guys, Checked pictures and archives and could use your input. My cabane fittings are about =BE in wide ID (where the strut connects). My aluminum (Barry Davis) struts are a little over an inch wide OD. Is it better to have the strut fit OVER the fitting, inside the fitting or attach to the fitting via internal block that extends out past the strut. That's about clear as mud, sorry! And thanks! Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:06 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs Brian, I used my beloved Dremmel tool. Fitted with the small drum sander. Utilizes the hand techneque, but you can blend them down nicely. then when you get them like the pics, you can go over them with a piece of 1X2 covered in sandpaper to get anything sticking up. Ain't Life Grand Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:04 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs I will give that a try. I had actually thought of that a while after I posted the question. The fact that I went to the store today to get some laminate cut-off bits and a router table to cut some aluminum ribs for a BD-4 with a thick aluminum template I have for them should have made me think of it a little sooner. Duh. Then I will just hand sand them at a slight angle after they are routed. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lathrop Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:52 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sanding ribs Router with a laminate cut-off bit. Jim Lathrop On 9/20/07, Brian Kraut wrote: The fastest way to sand the little overlaps where the plywood gussets hang past the spruce sticks on the ribs is to use a belt sander, but I am finding that it is very easy to sand into the spruce sticks, especially on the undercambered bottoms of the ribs. How have the rest of you sanded them? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sanding ribs From: "Glenn Thomas" Here's a link to a picture of the router option. The router with the laminate bit really takes all the risk out of the process and it comes out perfectly every time. http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=13&filter=0 -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135582#135582 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:36 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sanding ribs Another option, just for the record. I've also used a standard block plane with a sharp blade. You can knock off the edges and give it a chamfer with just a few strokes. Steve e -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Thomas Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sanding ribs Here's a link to a picture of the router option. The router with the laminate bit really takes all the risk out of the process and it comes out perfectly every time. http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?page=13&filter=0 -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135582#135582 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.