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1. 04:13 AM - Model A Question (Chet's Mail)
2. 05:29 AM - finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... (John Egan)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... (Peter W Johnson)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Model A Question (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 07:05 AM - Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... (Rcaprd@aol.com)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: crankshaft (Rcaprd@aol.com)
7. 07:27 AM - Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... (Dick Navratil)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... (Phillips, Jack)
9. 08:13 AM - Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... ()
10. 08:32 AM - Re: tailwheel cables...thanks guys (John Egan)
11. 09:39 AM - Mountain Piet Axel Question (Catdesigns)
12. 01:37 PM - Re: crankshaft (Steve Singleton)
13. 05:17 PM - A 65 exhaust (Gene & Tammy)
14. 05:57 PM - Re: A 65 exhaust (Don Emch)
15. 06:05 PM - Re: A 65 exhaust (Don Emch)
16. 06:52 PM - Since the list has been quiet... (Don Emch)
17. 06:54 PM - Re: Since the list has been quiet... (Don Emch)
18. 06:57 PM - Re: Since the list has been quiet... (Don Emch)
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Subject: | Model A Question |
Model A guys and gals,
What kind of water temps have you been seeing in flight?
Also I had my timing set around 25 degrees BTDC, and have found it turns
up more RPM's and even runs better at about 18 degrees BTDC. Is this in
line with others?
I do thank you for your time.
Chet Hartley
N920Y, Missouri
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Subject: | finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... |
Hello Piet Group,
A couple of weeks ago, something was mentioned regarding the ground handling
of a Piet when the tailwheel cables are spliced onto the rudder cables. I was
planning on doing just that on my project, locating the splice under the rear
seat.
Are people aware of any safety concerns by splicing these two controls togather?
I am trying to realize if there is any difference in splicing or running
the two sets of cables to the same points on the rudder bar. Let's assume a full
swiveling tailwheel will also be used on the system.
Thanks all,
John
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Subject: | finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... |
John,
I have tailwheel steering with a cable each to the rudder bar. Both are
adjustable and two takes up very little more room than one. I have a set
of
pulley=92s under the rear seat back to allow for the change of direction
(rudder up and tailwheel down). That=92s it. I toyed with the idea of
splicing
but decide on the two cables after not seeing any advantages of the
spliced
control cables.
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for all control cables. From the top they are top elevator, rudder,
bottom
elevator, tailwheel.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables...
Hello Piet Group,
A couple of weeks ago, something was mentioned regarding the ground
handling
of a Piet when the tailwheel cables are spliced onto the rudder cables.
I
was planning on doing just that on my project, locating the splice under
the
rear seat.
Are people aware of any safety concerns by splicing these two controls
togather? I am trying to realize if there is any difference in splicing
or
running the two sets of cables to the same points on the rudder bar.
Let's
assume a full swiveling tailwheel will also be used on the system.
Thanks all,
John
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Subject: | Re: Model A Question |
Chet,
At Brodhead Ken Perkins recommended 30 degrees BTC timing on the Model A.
He has a lot of flight hours behind one. I am surprised to hear you say it
revs up better at 18 BTC. I have no experience yet, but I plan to run mine
within the next 6 months. I would like to hear from others on this issue.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... |
In a message dated 9/26/2007 7:30:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnegan99@yahoo.com writes:
Are people aware of any safety concerns by splicing these two controls
togather? I am trying to realize if there is any difference in splicing or running
the two sets of cables to the same points on the rudder bar.
John,
I didn't like the idea of messing with primary flight controls, and the
tailwheel will turn too much if it is the same ratio as the rudder, unless you
have
very long horns on the tailwheel.
I ran the 1/16" cable from the tailwheel, all the way up to the inboard
portion of the rudder bar - not the same point as the rudder cable. If need be,
can
adjust the points where the tailwheel cables attach to the rudder bar. Here
is some pics - _http://nx770cg.com/Unique.html_
(http://nx770cg.com/Unique.html)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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In a message dated 9/24/2007 10:59:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
slsingleton@cvalley.net writes:
Hi everyone. I just found out today that i need a crank for our Champ (A-65).
Would anybody on the list happen to have or know someone with a good one with
a yellow tag? When we overhauled it a while back it was just barely within
limits. Not any more. Steve Singleton
Steve,
You can turn the crank .010" under, and still have it yellow tagged, but the
work would have to be done by a certified shop that does aircraft cranks.
There are .010" under bearings available.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... |
As I said in the discussion a couple of weeks ago, I feel that the
tension put on the cable, by the tail wheel, caused a shift in the
rudder position when the tw came off the ground. That was causing the
plane to veer suddenly to the left on takeoff. Not a problem since I
ran seperate cables.
Dick N.
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From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: finishing the discussion on tailwheel
cables...
Hello Piet Group,
A couple of weeks ago, something was mentioned regarding the ground
handling of a Piet when the tailwheel cables are spliced onto the rudder
cables. I was planning on doing just that on my project, locating the
splice under the rear seat.
Are people aware of any safety concerns by splicing these two controls
togather? I am trying to realize if there is any difference in splicing
or running the two sets of cables to the same points on the rudder bar.
Let's assume a full swiveling tailwheel will also be used on the system.
Thanks all,
John
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Subject: | finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... |
I did exactly like Chuck did. Ran the tailwheel steering cable to a
point about 6" out on the rudder bar on each side
Jack
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: finishing the discussion on tailwheel
cables...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 7:30:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnegan99@yahoo.com writes:
Are people aware of any safety concerns by splicing these two
controls togather? I am trying to realize if there is any difference in
splicing or running the two sets of cables to the same points on the
rudder bar.
John,
I didn't like the idea of messing with primary flight controls, and the
tailwheel will turn too much if it is the same ratio as the rudder,
unless you have very long horns on the tailwheel.
I ran the 1/16" cable from the tailwheel, all the way up to the inboard
portion of the rudder bar - not the same point as the rudder cable. If
need be, can adjust the points where the tailwheel cables attach to the
rudder bar. Here is some pics - http://nx770cg.com/Unique.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | finishing the discussion on tailwheel cables... |
Would you send me a picture of that when you get a chance.
harvey.rule@bell.ca or harvey.rule@rogers.com or just post it on
this web page. I was going to do this but when I figured I had to cut
the cables to do the splice, I thought it may not be a good idea. I'd
like to see how you did yours. Thanks very much.
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Phillips, Jack
Sent: September 26, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: finishing the discussion on tailwheel
cables...
I did exactly like Chuck did. Ran the tailwheel steering cable to a
point about 6" out on the rudder bar on each side
Jack
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: finishing the discussion on tailwheel
cables...
In a message dated 9/26/2007 7:30:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
johnegan99@yahoo.com writes:
Are people aware of any safety concerns by splicing these two
controls togather? I am trying to realize if there is any difference in
splicing or running the two sets of cables to the same points on the
rudder bar.
John,
I didn't like the idea of messing with primary flight controls, and the
tailwheel will turn too much if it is the same ratio as the rudder,
unless you have very long horns on the tailwheel.
I ran the 1/16" cable from the tailwheel, all the way up to the inboard
portion of the rudder bar - not the same point as the rudder cable. If
need be, can adjust the points where the tailwheel cables attach to the
rudder bar. Here is some pics - http://nx770cg.com/Unique.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: tailwheel cables...thanks guys |
Thanks for the good information on my tailwheel cable concern.
I have decided to run the cables right up to the rudder bar after reading the
reasons to do so. I think all the reasons are valid, especially ground handling
and "not messing with primary control cables".
Thank you all.
John
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Subject: | Mountain Piet Axel Question |
Does anyone have a good picture of the front and rear spreader bar where it attaches
to the landing gear V on John Dilatushs Mountain Piet currently owned by
Greg Bacon? Greg, are you still on the list by any chance? This would be a picture
of the inside of the bottom V. I am trying to figure out if John used the
plans method of attaching the rear cross tube (using one bolt) or did he weld
on a plate to the end of the tube and used two bolts.
I am copying Johns method of stopping the axle rotation during braking but I am
concerned the rear cross tube might rotate if anchored by one bolt. All John
had to say on it was to weld on some 3-inch tabs to the axle and the cross tube.
He advised making the rear tube thicker wall so I would not flex as much.
He never mentioned changing the mounting of the tube.
I have a few more questions for anyone who might have inspected his setup in person, such as thickness of metal used for the tabs welded onto the axle and cross tube and the dimensions (as in 3 inches above and below or three inches total. If someone has a good picture of the tabs and connecting links that would help. The only ones I can find are from Oscars website. http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
Thanks
Chris
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WestCoastPiet.com
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Thanks Chuck but mine was already .010 under. When i had it overhauled a
while back (40 hrs ago) the crank was just barely within limits. The
camshaft had wore odd so we put the case back together and lo and behold
the case halves did not line up at the center bearing and at the back
bearing. I had the case overhauled which included line boreing. so maybe
it was'nt right to begin with or I'm sure the overhaul shop will tell me
i must have gotten it very hot to cause iyt to warp. I truly do'nt
believe we ever had it that hot. The good news is that i might have
found a crank that just needs ground. I really think i just need to sell
the Champ and then i'll get serious about finnishing the Piet. Steve
Singleton
----- dated 9/24/2007 10:59:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
slsingleton@cvalley.net writes:
Hi everyone. I just found out today that i need a crank for our
Champ (A-65). Would anybody on the list happen to have or know someone
with a good one with a yellow tag? When we overhauled it a while back it
was just barely within limits. Not any more. Steve Singleton
Steve,
You can turn the crank .010" under, and still have it yellow tagged,
but the work would have to be done by a certified shop that does
aircraft cranks. There are .010" under bearings available.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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My A 65 muffler gave up the ghost this past weekend and today I took it
apart and found it to be beyond repair.
I'm thinking about changing and running without a muffler and putting a
heat muff on. Has anyone used the Aeronca exhaust on their Piet?
Wondering what others have done and where they found the exhaust parts
to do it with. Any photos would be appreciated.
Thank You
Gene
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Subject: | Re: A 65 exhaust |
Gene,
I didn't use a muffler. I just made up flanges and went to my local muffler shop
for 1.5" mild steel tubing and weld up some straight stacks. Added a carb
heat muff to the right side.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Re: A 65 exhaust |
Gene,
The heat muff is 3" diameter exhaust pipe. It has two 1.5" holes drilled through
to slide up the two straight pipes and welded in place. The back side of the
muff is closed off. A tube is welded into the side with a duct attached and
running to the heat box. I heated and somewhat squared off the front of the
muff to try to get about the same area of inlet as outlet. Let me know if you
would like more pics.
Don
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Subject: | Since the list has been quiet... |
At Brodhead Frank Pavliga and I had the chance to do some air to air work with
Andrew King and Tim Loehrke. Tim took pictures while riding with Andrew in his
Taylorcraft. Here's a shot.
Don
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Subject: | Re: Since the list has been quiet... |
Sorry about no picture... how about this...
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Subject: | Re: Since the list has been quiet... |
One more... a little more comfortable for this one. Frank was made me nervous
a few times there!
Don
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