Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 10/03/07


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 05:50 AM - Digital Plans (Ryan Michals)
     2. 07:35 AM - Re: Digital Plans (Bill Church)
     3. 08:39 AM - Re: Digital Plans (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
     4. 08:45 AM - Re: Digital Plans (Phillips, Jack)
     5. 03:23 PM - Re: Digital Plans (Michael Groah)
     6. 03:59 PM - digital plans (walt evans)
     7. 04:04 PM - Re: center section wing tank (Rick Holland)
     8. 05:13 PM - Re: Digital Plans (Don Emch)
     9. 05:29 PM - Strange sounds in the air (Don Emch)
    10. 05:38 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (Steve Eldredge)
    11. 06:10 PM - Re: center section wing tank (Dick Navratil)
    12. 08:36 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (Brian Kraut)
    13. 08:42 PM - Re: center section wing tank (Brian Kraut)
    14. 09:07 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (DJ Vegh)
    15. 10:14 PM - Re: center section wing tank (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
    16. 10:17 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:50:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Digital Plans
    From: "Ryan Michals" <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
    Does anyone have a digital set of plans to share? I would like to view them at work while on break, etc. I purchased conventional plans from Donald. Thank you,


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    Time: 07:35:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Digital Plans
    From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
    Ryan, What I did is quite simple. I just used a basic digital camera (3 MegaPixel, I think), and took pictures of each sheet of the plans (plans I also purchased from Don Pietenpol), then burned the images onto a CD. Now I have a portable set of plans I can view on practically any computer. The photo quality is good enough to read all but the tiniest details. I am reluctant to share these images, though, simply because I respect the copyright of the Pietenpol family (even if it has legally expired). As long as the Pietenpol family is offering the plans for sale, I won't be sharing my photos. Bill C.


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    Time: 08:39:19 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Stapleton, Jr." <foto@alaska.net>
    Subject: Digital Plans
    More than the plans I would vote to see digital images of every detail of certain assemblies, like for instance the different tail wheel assemblies, or how to connect the elevators together...there are hundreds of different ways to do these things, I'm sure we would all agree. The plans look to me like just one way, but simple. Let's see how other's intrepret and improvise. RS -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Michals Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Digital Plans <aircamperace@yahoo.com> Does anyone have a digital set of plans to share? I would like to view them at work while on break, etc. I purchased conventional plans from Donald. Thank you,


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    Time: 08:45:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Digital Plans
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com>
    Connect the elevators together??? Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Stapleton, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Digital Plans --> <foto@alaska.net> More than the plans I would vote to see digital images of every detail of certain assemblies, like for instance the different tail wheel assemblies, or how to connect the elevators together...there are hundreds of different ways to do these things, I'm sure we would all agree. The plans look to me like just one way, but simple. Let's see how other's intrepret and improvise. RS _________________________________________________ or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese


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    Time: 03:23:30 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Digital Plans
    Just go to www.westcoastpiet.com and you can see lots of pics of how people have done things. More than the plans I would vote to see digital images of every detail of certain assemblies, like for instance the different tail wheel assemblies, or how to connect the elevators together...there are hundreds of different ways to do these things, I'm sure we would all agree. The plans look to me like just one way, but simple. Let's see how other's intrepret and improvise. RS -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Michals Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Digital Plans Does anyone have a digital set of plans to share? I would like to view them at work while on break, etc. I purchased conventional plans from Donald. Thank you, --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.


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    Time: 03:59:56 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: digital plans
    To change the plans, is to diminish the airplane. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking"


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    Time: 04:04:30 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: center section wing tank
    I have a related question, I have a three foot center section which is going to be used for storage with an front hinged aluminum sheet top cover like Mike Cuy's. I believe this aluminum sheet cover needs to be supported somehow in the center, how about riveting one or two aluminum channels to the underside of it running front to back? Opinions? Thanks Rick On 10/1/07, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com> wrote: > > Brian, I made my centersection 6" wider than plans (Pietenpol, not Grega) > to get a 15 gallon tank in the centersection. I covered the bottom of the > centersection with 1/4" plywood to hold the undercamber. I made two ribs > out of aluminum channel to provide the airfoil shape on top of the tank, and > supported the tank with 1" stainless steel straps hanging from the top of > the spars. Worked well > > > Jack Phillips > Raleigh, NC > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Kraut > *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2007 4:10 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado


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    Time: 05:13:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Digital Plans
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Well said Walt! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137953#137953


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    Time: 05:29:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Strange sounds in the air
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and even smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when I suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was behind me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well then I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with its lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody else ever experience that? Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955


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    Time: 05:38:15 PM PST US
    From: Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>
    Subject: Strange sounds in the air
    Yes! Final at my home airport is above an interstate. I've also thought my engine was burning oil suddenly as I flew over a refinery. Another time I thought my prop was making smoke as if it were working on loose bolts... It was a cabinet shop burning scrap. Only in a pietenpol! Steve E -----Original Message----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Sent: 10/3/07 6:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and even smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when I suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was behind me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well then I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with its lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody else ever experience that? Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955


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    Time: 06:10:07 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: center section wing tank
    Brian Sound prrety much what I did. Part of my annual inspection has been removal of the tank for cleaning. I wouldnt bother with trying to curve the top of the tank, I did the calculations and it only adds about 1/2 gal. Its so much easier building a flat top tank. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank I wanted to get a good sized tank in my wing center section since the fuselage is already built and there is no tank in it. by the shape of the wing (GN-1) I figured that I can get about .62 gallons per linear inch of tank between the spars. That means that to get a 15 gallon tank that it needs to be about 24" wide which is as wide as I can get it. The problem is that means only one rib on each side of the tank instead of the normal four ribs in the center section that the GN-1 plans show. I was thinking that I would run some 1/4" square stringers on the bottom sheet of plywood to stiffen it up so that it will still hold the correct undercambered shape. I will also put steel angle brackets mounted to the front and aft spar to support the weight of the tank. On the top I will do the plywood just in front of the forward spar and in back of the rear spar with a big removable sheet aluminum cover so I can get the tank out if I need to (or maybe just do all the plywood for now and I can cut it out and make the aluminum cover later if the tank ever needs to come out). Has anyone else done this before? Anyone see any problems with this? The center section will not be as strong as with the four evenly spaced ribs, but I don't know that is really a problem since each corner is braced by the jury struts and attached to the outer wing panels. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com


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    Time: 08:36:43 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
    Subject: Strange sounds in the air
    Turned around? Did you really think you were speeding? Pulled over for going too slow maybe. :) Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and even smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when I suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was behind me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well then I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with its lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody else ever experience that? Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955


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    Time: 08:42:29 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
    Subject: center section wing tank
    I drew the profiles in Autocad and I get an area of the side profile of the tank of 146 square inches if it is curved on the top and 126 if it is cut flat. That is a 14% difference which is about 2 gallons. Probably a little harder to make, but I have a friend with slip rollers that can make the curve pretty easy. I am welding it up out of 5052 and cutting the side sheets should be pretty easy also. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:08 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank Brian Sound prrety much what I did. Part of my annual inspection has been removal of the tank for cleaning. I wouldnt bother with trying to curve the top of the tank, I did the calculations and it only adds about 1/2 gal. Its so much easier building a flat top tank. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank I wanted to get a good sized tank in my wing center section since the fuselage is already built and there is no tank in it. by the shape of the wing (GN-1) I figured that I can get about .62 gallons per linear inch of tank between the spars. That means that to get a 15 gallon tank that it needs to be about 24" wide which is as wide as I can get it. The problem is that means only one rib on each side of the tank instead of the normal four ribs in the center section that the GN-1 plans show. I was thinking that I would run some 1/4" square stringers on the bottom sheet of plywood to stiffen it up so that it will still hold the correct undercambered shape. I will also put steel angle brackets mounted to the front and aft spar to support the weight of the tank. On the top I will do the plywood just in front of the forward spar and in back of the rear spar with a big removable sheet aluminum cover so I can get the tank out if I need to (or maybe just do all the plywood for now and I can cut it out and make the aluminum cover later if the tank ever needs to come out). Has anyone else done this before? Anyone see any problems with this? The center section will not be as strong as with the four evenly spaced ribs, but I don't know that is really a problem since each corner is braced by the jury struts and attached to the outer wing panels. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 09:07:04 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
    Subject: Re: Strange sounds in the air
    speaking of being pulled over in a Piet... a few years back after I had finsihed firewall forward of my Corvair install I couldn't resist the temptation to drive it up and down my street a few times minue the wings. (yes, not smart I know) some old anti-aviation lady called the cops and I was in fact pulled over... lights and all. Cop said it was the first time he had ever pulled over an airplane. I told him it was the first time I had been pulled over in an airplane. we both laughed and he let me go. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air > <brian.kraut@engalt.com> > > Turned around? Did you really think you were speeding? Pulled over for > going too slow maybe. :) > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air > > > > I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and > even > smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a > sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a > very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way > back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when > I > suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was > behind > me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well > then > I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with > its > lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless > exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody > else ever experience that? > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955 > > >


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    Time: 10:14:02 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: center section wing tank
    You know......just a thought here...... When you taxi up to the fuel area and shut the beautiful Pietenpol off, climb out and show off the biggest smile in the world, you need to figure out a way to pump the gas into your center wing tank. Yes.......lets assume their is a ladder handy and you set up ready to fill your award winning plane with fuel. Here comes the thought.....what happens to the gas that you might spill when filling your tank?..... Cockpit sound about right? what happens when in flight some gas get sucked out and dribbles back towards you?....Cockpit sounds about right? I guess my concerns are; the gas coming back on the pilot. Is there a way to prevent this? I was interested in creating a center section tank but find that my "wide-body" Pietenpol will have plenty of "gas" in the nose and in rear cockpit! PS. For those other "wide-body" Pietenpols, I think we need to make a nice little logo sticker for the words "Wide-body Pietenpol." At least this would offer some insights to those of us who wished to be known as plan changers and wide-body people...tee-hee-hee... Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote: I drew the profiles in Autocad and I get an area of the side profile of the tank of 146 square inches if it is curved on the top and 126 if it is cut flat. That is a 14% difference which is about 2 gallons. Probably a little harder to make, but I have a friend with slip rollers that can make the curve pretty easy. I am welding it up out of 5052 and cutting the side sheets should be pretty easy also. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank Brian Sound prrety much what I did. Part of my annual inspection has been removal of the tank for cleaning. I wouldnt bother with trying to curve the top of the tank, I did the calculations and it only adds about 1/2 gal. Its so much easier building a flat top tank. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank I wanted to get a good sized tank in my wing center section since the fuselage is already built and there is no tank in it. by the shape of the wing (GN-1) I figured that I can get about .62 gallons per linear inch of tank between the spars. That means that to get a 15 gallon tank that it needs to be about 24" wide which is as wide as I can get it. The problem is that means only one rib on each side of the tank instead of the normal four ribs in the center section that the GN-1 plans show. I was thinking that I would run some 1/4" square stringers on the bottom sheet of plywood to stiffen it up so that it will still hold the correct undercambered shape. I will also put steel angle brackets mounted to the front and aft spar to support the weight of the tank. On the top I will do the plywood just in front of the forward spar and in back of the rear spar with a big removable sheet aluminum cover so I can get the tank out if I need to (or maybe just do all the plywood for now and I can cut it out and make the aluminum cover later if the tank ever needs to come out). Has anyone else done this before? Anyone see any problems with this? The center section will not be as strong as with the four evenly spaced ribs, but I don't know that is really a problem since each corner is braced by the jury struts and attached to the outer wing panels. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.


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    Time: 10:17:20 PM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Strange sounds in the air
    Now that is worth saving..... I never laughed so hard in a long time! Thanks DJ DJ Vegh <dj@veghdesign.com> wrote: speaking of being pulled over in a Piet... a few years back after I had finsihed firewall forward of my Corvair install I couldn't resist the temptation to drive it up and down my street a few times minue the wings. (yes, not smart I know) some old anti-aviation lady called the cops and I was in fact pulled over... lights and all. Cop said it was the first time he had ever pulled over an airplane. I told him it was the first time I had been pulled over in an airplane. we both laughed and he let me go. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air > > > Turned around? Did you really think you were speeding? Pulled over for > going too slow maybe. :) > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air > > > > I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and > even > smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a > sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a > very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way > back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when > I > suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was > behind > me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well > then > I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with > its > lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless > exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody > else ever experience that? > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955 > > > Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.




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