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1. 05:50 AM - Digital Plans (Ryan Michals)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: Digital Plans (Bill Church)
3. 08:39 AM - Re: Digital Plans (Rob Stapleton, Jr.)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Digital Plans (Phillips, Jack)
5. 03:23 PM - Re: Digital Plans (Michael Groah)
6. 03:59 PM - digital plans (walt evans)
7. 04:04 PM - Re: center section wing tank (Rick Holland)
8. 05:13 PM - Re: Digital Plans (Don Emch)
9. 05:29 PM - Strange sounds in the air (Don Emch)
10. 05:38 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (Steve Eldredge)
11. 06:10 PM - Re: center section wing tank (Dick Navratil)
12. 08:36 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (Brian Kraut)
13. 08:42 PM - Re: center section wing tank (Brian Kraut)
14. 09:07 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (DJ Vegh)
15. 10:14 PM - Re: center section wing tank (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
16. 10:17 PM - Re: Strange sounds in the air (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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Does anyone have a digital set of plans to share? I would like to view them at
work while on break, etc. I purchased conventional plans from Donald.
Thank you,
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Ryan,
What I did is quite simple. I just used a basic digital camera (3
MegaPixel, I think), and took pictures of each sheet of the plans (plans
I also purchased from Don Pietenpol), then burned the images onto a CD.
Now I have a portable set of plans I can view on practically any
computer. The photo quality is good enough to read all but the tiniest
details. I am reluctant to share these images, though, simply because I
respect the copyright of the Pietenpol family (even if it has legally
expired). As long as the Pietenpol family is offering the plans for
sale, I won't be sharing my photos.
Bill C.
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More than the plans I would vote to see digital images of every detail of
certain assemblies, like for instance the different tail wheel assemblies,
or how to connect the elevators together...there are hundreds of different
ways to do these things, I'm sure we would all agree. The plans look to me
like just one way, but simple. Let's see how other's intrepret and
improvise.
RS
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Michals
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Digital Plans
<aircamperace@yahoo.com>
Does anyone have a digital set of plans to share? I would like to view them
at work while on break, etc. I purchased conventional plans from Donald.
Thank you,
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Connect the elevators together???
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Stapleton, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Digital Plans
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More than the plans I would vote to see digital images of every detail
of certain assemblies, like for instance the different tail wheel
assemblies, or how to connect the elevators together...there are
hundreds of different ways to do these things, I'm sure we would all
agree. The plans look to me like just one way, but simple. Let's see how
other's intrepret and improvise.
RS
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Just go to www.westcoastpiet.com and you can see lots of pics of how people have done things.
More than the plans I would vote to see digital images of every detail of
certain assemblies, like for instance the different tail wheel assemblies,
or how to connect the elevators together...there are hundreds of different
ways to do these things, I'm sure we would all agree. The plans look to me
like just one way, but simple. Let's see how other's intrepret and
improvise.
RS
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Michals
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Digital Plans
Does anyone have a digital set of plans to share? I would like to view them
at work while on break, etc. I purchased conventional plans from Donald.
Thank you,
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To change the plans, is to diminish the airplane.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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Subject: | Re: center section wing tank |
I have a related question, I have a three foot center section which is going
to be used for storage with an front hinged aluminum sheet top cover like
Mike Cuy's. I believe this aluminum sheet cover needs to be supported
somehow in the center, how about riveting one or two aluminum channels to
the underside of it running front to back? Opinions?
Thanks
Rick
On 10/1/07, Phillips, Jack <Jack.Phillips@cardinalhealth.com> wrote:
>
> Brian, I made my centersection 6" wider than plans (Pietenpol, not Grega)
> to get a 15 gallon tank in the centersection. I covered the bottom of the
> centersection with 1/4" plywood to hold the undercamber. I made two ribs
> out of aluminum channel to provide the airfoil shape on top of the tank, and
> supported the tank with 1" stainless steel straps hanging from the top of
> the spars. Worked well
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> Raleigh, NC
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Kraut
> *Sent:* Monday, October 01, 2007 4:10 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank
>
>
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ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Re: Digital Plans |
Well said Walt!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | Strange sounds in the air |
I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and even smells
while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a sound.
Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a very large swamp
that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way back we were just
buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when I suddenly heard a
siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was behind me. Then I noticed
my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well then I looked down and straight
below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with its lights on. We could not
believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually
could still hear that thing. Anybody else ever experience that?
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955
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Subject: | Strange sounds in the air |
Yes! Final at my home airport is above an interstate. I've also thought my engine
was burning oil suddenly as I flew over a refinery. Another time I thought
my prop was making smoke as if it were working on loose bolts... It was a
cabinet shop burning scrap. Only in a pietenpol!
Steve E
-----Original Message-----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: 10/3/07 6:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air
I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and even smells
while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a sound.
Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a very large swamp
that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way back we were just
buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when I suddenly heard a
siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was behind me. Then I noticed
my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well then I looked down and straight
below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with its lights on. We could not
believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually
could still hear that thing. Anybody else ever experience that?
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955
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Subject: | Re: center section wing tank |
Brian
Sound prrety much what I did. Part of my annual inspection has been
removal of the tank for cleaning. I wouldnt bother with trying to curve
the top of the tank, I did the calculations and it only adds about 1/2
gal. Its so much easier building a flat top tank.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank
I wanted to get a good sized tank in my wing center section since the
fuselage is already built and there is no tank in it. by the shape of
the wing (GN-1) I figured that I can get about .62 gallons per linear
inch of tank between the spars. That means that to get a 15 gallon tank
that it needs to be about 24" wide which is as wide as I can get it.
The problem is that means only one rib on each side of the tank
instead of the normal four ribs in the center section that the GN-1
plans show. I was thinking that I would run some 1/4" square stringers
on the bottom sheet of plywood to stiffen it up so that it will still
hold the correct undercambered shape. I will also put steel angle
brackets mounted to the front and aft spar to support the weight of the
tank. On the top I will do the plywood just in front of the forward
spar and in back of the rear spar with a big removable sheet aluminum
cover so I can get the tank out if I need to (or maybe just do all the
plywood for now and I can cut it out and make the aluminum cover later
if the tank ever needs to come out).
Has anyone else done this before? Anyone see any problems with this?
The center section will not be as strong as with the four evenly spaced
ribs, but I don't know that is really a problem since each corner is
braced by the jury struts and attached to the outer wing panels.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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Subject: | Strange sounds in the air |
Turned around? Did you really think you were speeding? Pulled over for
going too slow maybe. :)
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air
I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and even
smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a
sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a
very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way
back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when I
suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was behind
me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well then
I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with its
lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless
exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody
else ever experience that?
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955
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Subject: | center section wing tank |
I drew the profiles in Autocad and I get an area of the side profile of
the tank of 146 square inches if it is curved on the top and 126 if it
is cut flat. That is a 14% difference which is about 2 gallons.
Probably a little harder to make, but I have a friend with slip rollers
that can make the curve pretty easy. I am welding it up out of 5052 and
cutting the side sheets should be pretty easy also.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:08 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank
Brian
Sound prrety much what I did. Part of my annual inspection has been
removal of the tank for cleaning. I wouldnt bother with trying to curve
the top of the tank, I did the calculations and it only adds about 1/2
gal. Its so much easier building a flat top tank.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank
I wanted to get a good sized tank in my wing center section since
the fuselage is already built and there is no tank in it. by the shape
of the wing (GN-1) I figured that I can get about .62 gallons per linear
inch of tank between the spars. That means that to get a 15 gallon tank
that it needs to be about 24" wide which is as wide as I can get it.
The problem is that means only one rib on each side of the tank
instead of the normal four ribs in the center section that the GN-1
plans show. I was thinking that I would run some 1/4" square stringers
on the bottom sheet of plywood to stiffen it up so that it will still
hold the correct undercambered shape. I will also put steel angle
brackets mounted to the front and aft spar to support the weight of the
tank. On the top I will do the plywood just in front of the forward
spar and in back of the rear spar with a big removable sheet aluminum
cover so I can get the tank out if I need to (or maybe just do all the
plywood for now and I can cut it out and make the aluminum cover later
if the tank ever needs to come out).
Has anyone else done this before? Anyone see any problems with
this? The center section will not be as strong as with the four evenly
spaced ribs, but I don't know that is really a problem since each corner
is braced by the jury struts and attached to the outer wing panels.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: Strange sounds in the air |
speaking of being pulled over in a Piet... a few years back after I had
finsihed firewall forward of my Corvair install I couldn't resist the
temptation to drive it up and down my street a few times minue the wings.
(yes, not smart I know)
some old anti-aviation lady called the cops and I was in fact pulled over...
lights and all. Cop said it was the first time he had ever pulled over an
airplane. I told him it was the first time I had been pulled over in an
airplane. we both laughed and he let me go.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air
> <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
>
> Turned around? Did you really think you were speeding? Pulled over for
> going too slow maybe. :)
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air
>
>
>
> I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and
> even
> smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a
> sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a
> very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way
> back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when
> I
> suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was
> behind
> me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well
> then
> I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with
> its
> lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless
> exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody
> else ever experience that?
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955
>
>
>
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Subject: | center section wing tank |
You know......just a thought here......
When you taxi up to the fuel area and shut the beautiful Pietenpol off, climb
out and show off the biggest smile in the world, you need to figure out a way
to pump the gas into your center wing tank. Yes.......lets assume their is a
ladder handy and you set up ready to fill your award winning plane with fuel.
Here comes the thought.....what happens to the gas that you might spill when filling
your tank?..... Cockpit sound about right? what happens when in flight
some gas get sucked out and dribbles back towards you?....Cockpit sounds about
right? I guess my concerns are; the gas coming back on the pilot. Is there a
way to prevent this? I was interested in creating a center section tank but find
that my "wide-body" Pietenpol will have plenty of "gas" in the nose and in
rear cockpit!
PS. For those other "wide-body" Pietenpols, I think we need to make a nice little
logo sticker for the words "Wide-body Pietenpol." At least this would offer
some insights to those of us who wished to be known as plan changers and wide-body
people...tee-hee-hee...
Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com> wrote:
I drew the profiles in Autocad and I get an area of the side profile
of the tank of 146 square inches if it is curved on the top and 126 if it is cut
flat. That is a 14% difference which is about 2 gallons. Probably a little
harder to make, but I have a friend with slip rollers that can make the curve
pretty easy. I am welding it up out of 5052 and cutting the side sheets should
be pretty easy also.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick Navratil
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank
Brian
Sound prrety much what I did. Part of my annual inspection has been removal
of the tank for cleaning. I wouldnt bother with trying to curve the top of the
tank, I did the calculations and it only adds about 1/2 gal. Its so much easier
building a flat top tank.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Kraut
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section wing tank
I wanted to get a good sized tank in my wing center section since the fuselage
is already built and there is no tank in it. by the shape of the wing (GN-1)
I figured that I can get about .62 gallons per linear inch of tank between the
spars. That means that to get a 15 gallon tank that it needs to be about 24"
wide which is as wide as I can get it.
The problem is that means only one rib on each side of the tank instead of the
normal four ribs in the center section that the GN-1 plans show. I was thinking
that I would run some 1/4" square stringers on the bottom sheet of plywood
to stiffen it up so that it will still hold the correct undercambered shape.
I will also put steel angle brackets mounted to the front and aft spar to support
the weight of the tank. On the top I will do the plywood just in front
of the forward spar and in back of the rear spar with a big removable sheet aluminum
cover so I can get the tank out if I need to (or maybe just do all the
plywood for now and I can cut it out and make the aluminum cover later if the
tank ever needs to come out).
Has anyone else done this before? Anyone see any problems with this? The center
section will not be as strong as with the four evenly spaced ribs, but I
don't know that is really a problem since each corner is braced by the jury struts
and attached to the outer wing panels.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
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Subject: | Re: Strange sounds in the air |
Now that is worth saving.....
I never laughed so hard in a long time!
Thanks DJ
DJ Vegh <dj@veghdesign.com> wrote:
speaking of being pulled over in a Piet... a few years back after I had
finsihed firewall forward of my Corvair install I couldn't resist the
temptation to drive it up and down my street a few times minue the wings.
(yes, not smart I know)
some old anti-aviation lady called the cops and I was in fact pulled over...
lights and all. Cop said it was the first time he had ever pulled over an
airplane. I told him it was the first time I had been pulled over in an
airplane. we both laughed and he let me go.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Kraut"
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air
>
>
> Turned around? Did you really think you were speeding? Pulled over for
> going too slow maybe. :)
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Emch
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strange sounds in the air
>
>
>
> I gotta share this one. Now of course I've encountered lots sights and
> even
> smells while flying my Piet, but now I can say I actually encountered a
> sound. Yesterday evening I took a friend up to explore and photograph a
> very large swamp that he and I like to goose and duck hunt in. On the way
> back we were just buzzing along enjoying the view from about 800 feet when
> I
> suddenly heard a siren! Like a dork I turned around to see what was
> behind
> me. Then I noticed my friend up front was doing the same thing! Well
> then
> I looked down and straight below us about 800 feet was a fire truck with
> its
> lights on. We could not believe it. Through wind noise, mufflerless
> exhaust, and cruise rpm we actually could still hear that thing. Anybody
> else ever experience that?
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137955#137955
>
>
>
Kenneth M. Heide, BA,CPO,FAAOP
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