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1. 03:38 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walt evans)
2. 06:38 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Rcaprd@aol.com)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: New Pictures (Ryan Michals)
4. 11:41 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Scott Schreiber)
5. 12:36 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walt evans)
6. 01:06 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Scott Schreiber)
7. 01:34 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Ryan Mueller)
8. 02:02 PM - Model A engine (Chet's Mail)
9. 04:12 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Dick Navratil)
10. 05:01 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walt evans)
11. 05:07 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Skip Gadd)
12. 07:03 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (jimboyer@hughes.net)
13. 07:32 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
Scott,
That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet.
Replaced them with piano hinges.
Also cleared the problem of gap seals.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all
seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK
in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size.
However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line.
Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has
been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen
allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing
to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for
these, or is something thicker in order.
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:40:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
got22b@subarubrat.com writes:
Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem
to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a
AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are
pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to
be
that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for
aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that
is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent
thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order.
-Scott Schreiber
Scott,
I used the 3" strap hinges, but I don't recall that the hole is across the
bend line. For the Pin, I cut an AN3 screw (that was long enough for the shank
to go all the way through the hinge - no threads allowed in the hole) to the
right length to have a washer under the cotter pin, and drilled the cotter pin
hole. The plans built control horns are very good design, easy to build,
light weight, and Strong.
_http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html_ (http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: New Pictures |
Chris
Great pics, what a valuable website to Piet builders. Chris I believe the owner
of the mystery plane is Bill Emo with N58TL. From what I remember, he and a
friend built a pair of Piets together. He had a very nice handout with 58TL's
weight and balance info, wiring diagram and main spar stress analysis. I have
his phone number if you would like to contact him.
Catdesigns <catdesigns@comcast.net> wrote:
Thanks to Bill Church, I have added some pictures from Brodhead 2007 to the
website.
http://westcoastpiet.com/new_page_32.htm
Thanks to Don Emch we have some great pictures of Don and Frank Pavliga
flying formation.
http://westcoastpiet.com/don_emoch.htm
Anyone else have some pictures add to the website? And we always need more
construction photos, too.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width, and
it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Scott,
That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet.
Replaced them with piano hinges.
Also cleared the problem of gap seals.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They
all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are
OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size.
However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line.
Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has
been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen
allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing
to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for
these, or is something thicker in order.
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
Scott,
I think mine was 1",,,here's the only pics I could find at the moment.
PS I flew this morning,,,It was great.
nothing like a A-65
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width,
and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Scott,
That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet.
Replaced them with piano hinges.
Also cleared the problem of gap seals.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They
all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are
OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size.
However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line.
Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has
been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen
allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing
to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for
these, or is something thicker in order.
-Scott Schreiber
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
My concern with the piano was that the bolts would all be on the inside
edge and might limit movement. What sort of fasteners did you piano
hinge users choose?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Scott,
I think mine was 1",,,here's the only pics I could find at the moment.
PS I flew this morning,,,It was great.
nothing like a A-65
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width,
and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Scott,
That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet.
Replaced them with piano hinges.
Also cleared the problem of gap seals.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges.
They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging.
They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right
size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend
line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What
has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen
allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing
to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for
these, or is something thicker in order.
-Scott Schreiber
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe |
There is article from either a Bingelis book or the EAA Wood Aircraft Construction
Techniques book which shows a method that may work. If I recall correctly
you take a paint brush and drill from the handle (where it flares from the handle
to the brush head) into the base of the bristles. You then insert the end
of a length of clear flexible tubing into that hole (match the hole and tubing
size to ensure a tight fit so it does not fall out). Connect the other end to
a pump handle oil can, or some such device, and use that to pump varnish into
the base of the paint brush.
I've not done it, and it may only be an idea to contain the mess of normal varnishing,
not to allow upside down varnishing and such. Either way, when we get
home tonight I'll see if I can find it and post better details and where the article
came from.
Ryan
Try spraying it with a weed/lawn sprayer.
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Piet/Vair in the works
---- "jimboyer@hughes.net" wrote:
>
> Just getting ready to varnish the fuselage and wondering how in the
> world I am going to get at all the surfaces of the turtledeck stringers
> and all the cross braces without covering myself with varnish.
> How did all of you who are flying do it?
> Thanks, Jim
>
>
>
>
>
--
Lynn
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Building a website is a piece of cake.
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Hello every one, I have a couple of questions for the group.
1. What is the normal water temp when flying your Peit's?
2. I have set my timing at 25 degrees BTDC, 18 degrees BTDC and 30
degrees BTDC. In the 25 degrees I have trouble with the idle, and the
same at 30 degrees. But at 18 it idles OK, not as good as I would like
to hear.
At all timing settings the water temp jumps up to 200 degrees on climb
out.
I really like the aircraft but this engine is getting me down.
Thank in advance for your help.
Chet, MO where it is still hot.
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe |
If you are very lazy, like me, you can buy cans of spar varnish at most any
hardware store and spray with a can of beer in the other hand.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jimboyer@hughes.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe
> <jimboyer@hughes.net>
>
> Just getting ready to varnish the fuselage and wondering how in the
> world I am going to get at all the surfaces of the turtledeck stringers
> and all the cross braces without covering myself with varnish.
> How did all of you who are flying do it?
> Thanks, Jim
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Hinges |
it was a flat head screw, flush with the insides of both hinges
(countersunk holes, so the heads are flush). With nut plates on the
inside.
You have to decide where you want them, them move where necessary to
miss ribs.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
My concern with the piano was that the bolts would all be on the
inside edge and might limit movement. What sort of fasteners did you
piano hinge users choose?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Scott,
I think mine was 1",,,here's the only pics I could find at the
moment.
PS I flew this morning,,,It was great.
nothing like a A-65
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total
width, and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used?
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Scott,
That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet.
Replaced them with piano hinges.
Also cleared the problem of gap seals.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges
Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges.
They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging.
They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right
size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend
line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What
has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen
allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing
to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for
these, or is something thicker in order.
-Scott Schreiber
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe |
Dick,
That's not lazy, that's multi-tasking ;o)
Skip
>
> If you are very lazy, like me, you can buy cans of spar varnish at most
any
> hardware store and spray with a can of beer in the other hand.
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe |
Hi Dick,
I liked Skips answer too. Multi-tasking, I hadn't thought of that.
Actually my wife helped me this afternoon and now after 6 hours of
brushing on spar varnish we have the outside of the fuselage covered
with one coat of varnish and multiple (and I mean a ton of) drips on
cross braces, etc. We have not yet varnished any of the inside of the
two cockpits although I did varnis the plywood over the two pits and
the front blank panel.
It is going to take a lot of sanding and more to get the extra hard
drips off but do have to say it is starting to look kinda neat all
varnished. Like I am finally making some progress.
Have the fitting for the landing gear and now have to make the jig to
weld up the landing gear after the fuse is all varnished.
Cheers, Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe |
Here's the piece I was referring to. Hope that helps. Good luck,
Ryan
Just getting ready to varnish the fuselage and wondering how in the
world I am going to get at all the surfaces of the turtledeck stringers
and all the cross braces without covering myself with varnish.
How did all of you who are flying do it?
Thanks, Jim
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