---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/07/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:38 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walt evans) 2. 06:38 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Rcaprd@aol.com) 3. 06:53 AM - Re: New Pictures (Ryan Michals) 4. 11:41 AM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Scott Schreiber) 5. 12:36 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walt evans) 6. 01:06 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (Scott Schreiber) 7. 01:34 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Ryan Mueller) 8. 02:02 PM - Model A engine (Chet's Mail) 9. 04:12 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Dick Navratil) 10. 05:01 PM - Re: Aileron Hinges (walt evans) 11. 05:07 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Skip Gadd) 12. 07:03 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (jimboyer@hughes.net) 13. 07:32 PM - Re: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:27 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet. Replaced them with piano hinges. Also cleared the problem of gap seals. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order. -Scott Schreiber ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:12 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:40:13 PM Central Daylight Time, got22b@subarubrat.com writes: Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order. -Scott Schreiber Scott, I used the 3" strap hinges, but I don't recall that the hole is across the bend line. For the Pin, I cut an AN3 screw (that was long enough for the shank to go all the way through the hinge - no threads allowed in the hole) to the right length to have a washer under the cotter pin, and drilled the cotter pin hole. The plans built control horns are very good design, easy to build, light weight, and Strong. _http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html_ (http://nx770cg.com/Wing.html) Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:28 AM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pictures Chris Great pics, what a valuable website to Piet builders. Chris I believe the owner of the mystery plane is Bill Emo with N58TL. From what I remember, he and a friend built a pair of Piets together. He had a very nice handout with 58TL's weight and balance info, wiring diagram and main spar stress analysis. I have his phone number if you would like to contact him. Catdesigns wrote: Thanks to Bill Church, I have added some pictures from Brodhead 2007 to the website. http://westcoastpiet.com/new_page_32.htm Thanks to Don Emch we have some great pictures of Don and Frank Pavliga flying formation. http://westcoastpiet.com/don_emoch.htm Anyone else have some pictures add to the website? And we always need more construction photos, too. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com do not archive --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:29 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width, and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet. Replaced them with piano hinges. Also cleared the problem of gap seals. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order. -Scott Schreiber href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:37 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, I think mine was 1",,,here's the only pics I could find at the moment. PS I flew this morning,,,It was great. nothing like a A-65 Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width, and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet. Replaced them with piano hinges. Also cleared the problem of gap seals. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order. -Scott Schreiber href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:10 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges My concern with the piano was that the bolts would all be on the inside edge and might limit movement. What sort of fasteners did you piano hinge users choose? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, I think mine was 1",,,here's the only pics I could find at the moment. PS I flew this morning,,,It was great. nothing like a A-65 Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width, and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet. Replaced them with piano hinges. Also cleared the problem of gap seals. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order. -Scott Schreiber href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:46 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe There is article from either a Bingelis book or the EAA Wood Aircraft Construction Techniques book which shows a method that may work. If I recall correctly you take a paint brush and drill from the handle (where it flares from the handle to the brush head) into the base of the bristles. You then insert the end of a length of clear flexible tubing into that hole (match the hole and tubing size to ensure a tight fit so it does not fall out). Connect the other end to a pump handle oil can, or some such device, and use that to pump varnish into the base of the paint brush. I've not done it, and it may only be an idea to contain the mess of normal varnishing, not to allow upside down varnishing and such. Either way, when we get home tonight I'll see if I can find it and post better details and where the article came from. Ryan Try spraying it with a weed/lawn sprayer. Lynn Knoll Wichita Piet/Vair in the works ---- "jimboyer@hughes.net" wrote: > > Just getting ready to varnish the fuselage and wondering how in the > world I am going to get at all the surfaces of the turtledeck stringers > and all the cross braces without covering myself with varnish. > How did all of you who are flying do it? > Thanks, Jim > > > > > -- Lynn --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:18 PM PST US From: "Chet's Mail" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine Hello every one, I have a couple of questions for the group. 1. What is the normal water temp when flying your Peit's? 2. I have set my timing at 25 degrees BTDC, 18 degrees BTDC and 30 degrees BTDC. In the 25 degrees I have trouble with the idle, and the same at 30 degrees. But at 18 it idles OK, not as good as I would like to hear. At all timing settings the water temp jumps up to 200 degrees on climb out. I really like the aircraft but this engine is getting me down. Thank in advance for your help. Chet, MO where it is still hot. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:03 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe If you are very lazy, like me, you can buy cans of spar varnish at most any hardware store and spray with a can of beer in the other hand. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe > > > Just getting ready to varnish the fuselage and wondering how in the > world I am going to get at all the surfaces of the turtledeck stringers > and all the cross braces without covering myself with varnish. > How did all of you who are flying do it? > Thanks, Jim > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:35 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges it was a flat head screw, flush with the insides of both hinges (countersunk holes, so the heads are flush). With nut plates on the inside. You have to decide where you want them, them move where necessary to miss ribs. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges My concern with the piano was that the bolts would all be on the inside edge and might limit movement. What sort of fasteners did you piano hinge users choose? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, I think mine was 1",,,here's the only pics I could find at the moment. PS I flew this morning,,,It was great. nothing like a A-65 Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges I have some stainless piano hinge on hand, 1 1/2 inches total width, and it doesn't seem wide enough. Is this what has been used? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Scott, That is one of the few changes I made to my Piet. Replaced them with piano hinges. Also cleared the problem of gap seals. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Hinges Trying to follow the plans, I found some 3 inch strap hinges. They all seem to come from the same company regardless of packaging. They are OK in that a AN3 clevis will fit in them and they are the right size. However they are pre-drilled and have a hole right accros the bend line. Opinions locally seem to be that the hole is not a problem. What has been the practice? And lastly for aileron control horns, I have seen allot of photos of single piece horns and that is allot more appealing to me than the hollow ones. Is .090 a decent thickness of steel for these, or is something thicker in order. -Scott Schreiber href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:02 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe Dick, That's not lazy, that's multi-tasking ;o) Skip > > If you are very lazy, like me, you can buy cans of spar varnish at most any > hardware store and spray with a can of beer in the other hand. > Dick N. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:27 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe Hi Dick, I liked Skips answer too. Multi-tasking, I hadn't thought of that. Actually my wife helped me this afternoon and now after 6 hours of brushing on spar varnish we have the outside of the fuselage covered with one coat of varnish and multiple (and I mean a ton of) drips on cross braces, etc. We have not yet varnished any of the inside of the two cockpits although I did varnis the plywood over the two pits and the front blank panel. It is going to take a lot of sanding and more to get the extra hard drips off but do have to say it is starting to look kinda neat all varnished. Like I am finally making some progress. Have the fitting for the landing gear and now have to make the jig to weld up the landing gear after the fuse is all varnished. Cheers, Jim ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:02 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Varnishing Pietenpol airframe Here's the piece I was referring to. Hope that helps. Good luck, Ryan Just getting ready to varnish the fuselage and wondering how in the world I am going to get at all the surfaces of the turtledeck stringers and all the cross braces without covering myself with varnish. How did all of you who are flying do it? Thanks, Jim --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! 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