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1. 02:37 AM - Re: New Pietenpol Builder (Jack T. Textor)
2. 08:53 AM - ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
3. 08:58 AM - Would like to join your discussion group (BYD@att.net)
4. 09:27 AM - Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? (Bill Church)
5. 10:14 AM - Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? (Glenn Thomas)
6. 10:57 AM - Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? (gcardinal@comcast.net)
7. 11:44 AM - Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? (Bill Church)
8. 12:08 PM - Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? ()
9. 02:48 PM - Re: Would like to join your discussion group (Jim Markle)
10. 02:50 PM - Re: Would like to join your discussion group (Rcaprd@aol.com)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? (Peter W Johnson)
12. 03:46 PM - Re: Would like to join your discussion group (Gordon Bowen)
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| Subject: | New Pietenpol Builder |
Dick,
I enjoyed your website! The museum pictures were great. Would love to
see the Spruce Goose one day. Also, do you remember what the aircraft
tucked under the SR-71 was? Welcome to the Piet community.
Jack Textor
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
do not archive
I too am about to begin construction for the second time. I ordered
plans last year and purchased all of the spruce from AS&S. I live in
Oregon and Massachusetts, spending about half the year in each location.
I was going to build in Oregon and had the spruce shipped there. The
summer of 2006 found me building a million gussets and a jig for the
wing ribs. It sure was a beauty (+-1/32".) I had also built a real nice
rack to store all of the precut spruce. I was all ready to go this past
summer. In our absence over last winter it seems that someone entered my
workshop and made the nicest bookcase out of what was to be the main
wing spar and decided that all those nice smaller pieces of wood would
make ideal tinder for the wood stove. So, it's $1400, 00 down the tubes.
The worst thing is that my jig is gone.
I have just reordered more spruce to be shipped to Massachusetts. We
live in a senior community and have a most wonderful workshop as many
residents brought their workshops from home. I will post some pictures
of the shop soon. I will continue to build anything that will fit in the
Mooney out in Oregon and schlep parts across country. (Does anyone have
plans for a 10 section wing?)
So, I guess my first contribution to the builder community is to keep an
eye on your wood! I am going to keep this batch under the bed and hope
that Jane doesn't notice. Once I do get started in earnest I will post
my builders log and photos on my web site at www.aerovisiontech.com
Dick Baker
www.aerovisiontech.com
10/24/2007 2:31 PM
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| Subject: | ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
someone is selling copied Piet Plans on CD?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/The-plane-drawings-Pietenpol_W0QQitemZ220164360942QQihZ012QQcategoryZ26441QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Michael
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| Subject: | Would like to join your discussion group |
Hello Mark!
Welcome to the largest group of people with character flaws on the web.
To answer your question;
Do you get bugs in your teeth flying the Piet?
The answer is no. A Pietenpol is too slow. The most common method is riding a
motorcycle to the airport, smiling because you know youll be in your Pietenpol
soon.
Welcome to the mess and hope that helps.
Bill
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| Subject: | ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
This is funny.
The best part of this item is the description. Very interesting use of
the English language. I think the CD not only includes the plans and
photos, but also "roller video"! (wonder what that is?)
They are clearly offering more than just plans, because it says "also
you study in key rules and technologies of design of
legkomotornyh-planes." I didn't realize I was building a
legkomotornyh-plane.
The item description says the item will ship from Kazakhstan. The photo
on the cover of the CD appears to be Oscar's NX41CC (the plane Corky
built). Oscar said last week he was going to be travelling... Hmmmm...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
I wonder if we'll get to meet Borat at Brodhead next year?
On 10/26/07, Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
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> eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
> This is funny.
>
> The best part of this item is the description. Very interesting use of
> the English language. I think the CD not only includes the plans and
> photos, but also "roller video"! (wonder what that is?)
>
> They are clearly offering more than just plans, because it says "also
> you study in key rules and technologies of design of
> legkomotornyh-planes." I didn't realize I was building a
> legkomotornyh-plane.
>
> The item description says the item will ship from Kazakhstan. The photo
> on the cover of the CD appears to be Oscar's NX41CC (the plane Corky
> built). Oscar said last week he was going to be travelling... Hmmmm...
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
--
Glenn Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
One of the pictures in the ebay listing is of NX18235. The owners of that airplane
have nothing whatsoever to do with this rip off.....
Greg Cardinal
Co-owner of NX18235
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
> This is funny.
>
> The best part of this item is the description. Very interesting use of
> the English language. I think the CD not only includes the plans and
> photos, but also "roller video"! (wonder what that is?)
>
> They are clearly offering more than just plans, because it says "also
> you study in key rules and technologies of design of
> legkomotornyh-planes." I didn't realize I was building a
> legkomotornyh-plane.
>
> The item description says the item will ship from Kazakhstan. The photo
> on the cover of the CD appears to be Oscar's NX41CC (the plane Corky
> built). Oscar said last week he was going to be travelling... Hmmmm...
>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>One of the pictures in the ebay listing is of NX18235. The owners of that
airplane have nothing whatsoever to do with this rip off.....</DIV>
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<DIV>Greg Cardinal</DIV>
<DIV>Co-owner of NX18235</DIV>
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<eng@canadianrogers.com> <BR><BR>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
by: "Bill Church" <ENG@CANADIANROGERS.COM><BR>> <BR>> This is funny.
<BR>> <BR>> The best part of this item is the description. Very interesting
use of <BR>> the English language. I think the CD not only includes the
plans and <BR>> photos, but also "roller video"! (wonder what that is?)
<BR>> <BR>> They are clearly offering more than just plans, because it says
"also <BR>> you study in key rules and technologies of design of <BR>>
legkomotornyh-planes." I didn't realize I was building a <BR>> legkomotornyh-plane.
<BR>> <BR>> The item description says the item will ship from
Kazakhstan. The photo <BR>> on the cover of the CD appears to be Oscar's
NX41CC (the plane Corky <BR>> built). Oscar said l
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| Subject: | ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
Greg,
I don't think anyone would make that assumption - Your plane doesn't
even look like a legkomotornyh-plane.
(sorry, couldn't resist - it's Friday)
Since I'm on a roll, here's one for Glenn Thomas:
Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious
Legkomotornyh-Plane of Pietenpol
Okay, I'll shut up now.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:16 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist?
One of the pictures in the ebay listing is of NX18235. The owners of
that airplane have nothing whatsoever to do with this rip off.....
Greg Cardinal
Co-owner of NX18235
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| Subject: | ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
Most of us on this list feel an ethical allegiance to Bernard Pietenpols original
AirCamper creation and to Orrin Hoopmans plans, drawn in the early 1930s, or
to John Gregas well-thought-out GN modifications. For this reason, most of
us take some issue with plans copies made and sold by others.
However, any copyright held by the Hoopman family or the Pietenpols has long since
expired; the plans are public domain and anyone, in the US or outside it,
is free to copy and even to sell Pietenpol plans. The only protection that lasts
forever is that no one can sell the plans as his or her original work.
The Kazakh who is selling the plans on CD, if he or she is including proper attribution
to Bernard and Orrin, is operating within US law in doing so, even if
appropriating pictures of other Pietenpols without permission. Indeed, we have
list members who have asked for this very service at times in the past.
However, Kazakhstan is a long ways outside the reach of your insurance company
or your estates lawyers (whether you are in the Americas, the UK, or Australia).
If you buy, and use, the CD, with its God-awful translations, please be very,
very, careful.
Mike Hardaway
---- gcardinal@comcast.net wrote:
> One of the pictures in the ebay listing is of NX18235. The owners of that airplane
have nothing whatsoever to do with this rip off.....
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Co-owner of NX18235
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
> >
> > This is funny.
> >
> > The best part of this item is the description. Very interesting use of
> > the English language. I think the CD not only includes the plans and
> > photos, but also "roller video"! (wonder what that is?)
> >
> > They are clearly offering more than just plans, because it says "also
> > you study in key rules and technologies of design of
> > legkomotornyh-planes." I didn't realize I was building a
> > legkomotornyh-plane.
> >
> > The item description says the item will ship from Kazakhstan. The photo
> > on the cover of the CD appears to be Oscar's NX41CC (the plane Corky
> > built). Oscar said last week he was going to be travelling... Hmmmm...
> >
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Would like to join your discussion group |
The only issue I know of for the Pietenpol is the need to reinforce the trailing
edge to avoid damage from bird strikes...
-----Original Message-----
>From: BYD@att.net
>Sent: Oct 26, 2007 8:57 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Would like to join your discussion group
>
>
>Hello Mark!
>Welcome to the largest group of people with character flaws on the web.
>
>To answer your question;
>Do you get bugs in your teeth flying the Piet?
>The answer is no. A Pietenpol is too slow. The most common method is riding
a motorcycle to the airport, smiling because you know youll be in your Pietenpol
soon.
>Welcome to the mess and hope that helps.
>
>Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Would like to join your discussion group |
In a message dated 10/25/2007 5:44:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
mmcfi@juno.com writes:
P.S. Do you get bugs in your teeth flying the Piet? :)
Mark,
Some call it a Prop...I call it a 'Bug Whacker'. I smile all the time while
I'm flying, and have never had to use a toothpick !!
If you're ever heading East, be sure to stop in Wichita KS, for a ride in a
Pietenpol. Welcome to the group !!
Chuck G.
_http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/)
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| Subject: | ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist? |
Greg,
Same here, looks like he=92s used some of my web site pictures too.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gcardinal@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2007 3:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ebay pietenpol plans rip off artist?
One of the pictures in the ebay listing is of NX18235. The owners of
that
airplane have nothing whatsoever to do with this rip off.....
Greg Cardinal
Co-owner of NX18235
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com>
>
> This is funny.
>
> The best part of this item is the description. Very interesting use of
> the English language. I think the CD not only includes the plans and
> photos, but also "roller video"! (wonder what that is?)
>
> They are clearly offering more than just plans, because it says "also
> you study in key rules and technologies of design of
> legkomotornyh-planes." I didn't realize I was building a
> legkomotornyh-plane.
>
> The item description says the item will ship from Kazakhstan. The
photo
> on the cover of the CD appears to be Oscar's NX41CC (the plane Corky
> built). Oscar said l ast we
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.c
om/
Navigator?Pietenpol-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
25/10/2007
5:38 PM
25/10/2007
5:38 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Would like to join your discussion group |
All the Pieters that are gettin' rear-ended by birds on their trailing edge
need to consider a tad more H.P. on the bug chopper-upper. But that bee'ing
said, got hit in chest by bubblebee one time at about 70mph, looked down a
splatter, thought I had been shot, left nice welt, always wear Harley
chopper goggles and my leather helmet, eat your heart out Waldo Pepper.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Would like to join your discussion group
> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> The only issue I know of for the Pietenpol is the need to reinforce the
> trailing edge to avoid damage from bird strikes...
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: BYD@att.net
>>Sent: Oct 26, 2007 8:57 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Would like to join your discussion group
>>
>>
>>Hello Mark!
>>Welcome to the largest group of people with character flaws on the web.
>>
>>To answer your question;
>>Do you get bugs in your teeth flying the Piet?
>>The answer is no. A Pietenpol is too slow. The most common method is
>>riding a motorcycle to the airport, smiling because you know youll be in
>>your Pietenpol soon.
>>Welcome to the mess and hope that helps.
>>
>>Bill
>
>
>
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