---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/27/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:48 AM - Aluminum struts-what size? (HelsperSew@aol.com) 2. 05:53 AM - Engine builders (Robert Gow) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: Engine builders (HelsperSew@aol.com) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: Engine builders (Rick Holland) 5. 08:07 AM - Re: Aluminum struts-what size? (Arden Adamson) 6. 10:58 AM - Re: Aluminum struts-what size? (Rick Holland) 7. 11:57 AM - Engine builders (santiago morete) 8. 11:58 AM - Engine builders (santiago morete) 9. 12:51 PM - Re: Engine builders (HelsperSew@aol.com) 10. 12:55 PM - Re: Engine builders (HelsperSew@aol.com) 11. 01:29 PM - Bug Strike (Tom Stinemetze) 12. 04:51 PM - Re: Aluminum struts-what size? (John Egan) 13. 05:08 PM - Re: Aluminum struts-what size? (HelsperSew@aol.com) 14. 05:10 PM - Re: Aluminum struts-what size? (HelsperSew@aol.com) 15. 05:52 PM - Re: Aluminum struts-what size? (carson) 16. 07:14 PM - Engine builders (santiago morete) 17. 09:16 PM - Re: Re: Instruments......... (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:10 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? Gentlemen, (and one lady in Italy) I am very happy to report that at long last (7 years +) that I am finally at the stage of buying some wing strut material. I am looking to use aluminum wing struts for the weight savings. In my research I see that there are various suppliers that have this material (A/CS, Wicks, Carlsons, Skytech) in various sizes. Can anyone with experience help me with the selection of material size? I have been delinquent on my trips to Brodhead to take any measurements. Engineering types please feel free to chime-in to the discussion. Please help. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:58 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders I recently contacted a Model A engine builder about building up an engine for my Piet with a few mods for extra power (heads, bearings and so forth) They declined because their insurance would not allow them to build an engine for an aircraft. I assume others have had that problem as well . Do you simply neglect to mention that the engine is intended for an aircraft or is there someone put there who will build an engine up for a Piet? I wanted a shop that does A engines all the time, has the speed mod bits and can dyno the resulting engine. Bob ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:57 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders Bob, I got mine built-up by Antique Engine Rebuilder's in Skokie Illinois. The prop's name is Rich Faluca. This guy is very well known among the Model A auto restorers. He was very cooperative and knowledgeable on the Pietenpols, and even pulled out his set of Piet plans when I was there. That is all he does is rebuild antique auto engines. He will willingly answer all your questions. He was able to supply an aluminum cam gear, chevy pistons, rebuilt cam shaft, and counter-weighted crankshaft. He drilled and tapped the hole that goes down and out of the valve chamber. He also can include modern insert bearings all around. Also modern piston rods. He also supplied a rebuilt oil pump. I have not run my engine yet but it feels good so far. He has a websight. _http://www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com/ Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. _ (http://www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com/) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:23 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders I just tell people that my corvair engine is for an air boat, but choosing a model A for an air boat may sound a little weird. Rick On 10/27/07, Robert Gow wrote: > > I recently contacted a Model A engine builder about building up an engine > for my Piet with a few mods for extra power (heads, bearings and so forth) > They declined because their insurance would not allow them to build an > engine for an aircraft. I assume others have had that problem as well . Do > you simply neglect to mention that the engine is intended for an aircraft or > is there someone put there who will build an engine up for a Piet? I wanted > a shop that does A engines all the time, has the speed mod bits and can dyno > the resulting engine. > > Bob > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:34 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? From: "Arden Adamson" Dan, Your Model A and panel look beautiful!!!! Great job. For those of us who are not as far along it's an inspiration to keep building. Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Sat 10/27/2007 6:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? Gentlemen, (and one lady in Italy) I am very happy to report that at long last (7 years +) that I am finally at the stage of buying some wing strut material. I am looking to use aluminum wing struts for the weight savings. In my research I see that there are various suppliers that have this material (A/CS, Wicks, Carlsons, Skytech) in various sizes. Can anyone with experience help me with the selection of material size? I have been delinquent on my trips to Brodhead to take any measurements. Engineering types please feel free to chime-in to the discussion. Please help. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:37 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? Beautiful instrument panel Dan, some of those instruments look like authentic 1930s vintage. Rick On 10/27/07, HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: > > Gentlemen, (and one lady in Italy) > > I am very happy to report that at long last (7 years +) that I am finally > at the stage of buying some wing strut material. I am looking to use > aluminum wing struts for the weight savings. In my research I see that there > are various suppliers that have this material (A/CS, Wicks, Carlsons, > Skytech) in various sizes. Can anyone with experience help me with the > selection of material size? I have been delinquent on my trips to Brodhead > to take any measurements. Engineering types please feel free to chime-in to > the discussion. Please *help*. > > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > >
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders Hi Dan! Our engine is being reibuilding right now, so I have a couple of questions. You said "He drilled and tapped the hole that goes down and out of the valve chamber" What is that!!?? Am I missing something? Also you said you have an aluminum cam gear, I can only find the one made of fiber. Could it be a problem? Any thoughts on how much can last? Thanks! Santiago --------------------------------- Yahoo! Noticias Todo lo que tens que saber sobre Elecciones Presidenciales 2007 encontralo en Yahoo! Noticias. http://ar.news.yahoo.com/elecciones2007/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:45 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders Santiago, In the attached foto, in the lower right hand corner is shown the hole/fitting I am referring to. It is shown on the 1933 plans. Write back with questions if this is not clear. Amigos, Dan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:15 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders Santiago, Ken Perkins (Model A guru) recommends the aluminum cam gear. This can be obtained at Snyder's Antique Auto Parts. _http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/_ (http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/) Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:55 PM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bug Strike I will echo that as I once caught a wasp in the chest at about 70 mph on a motorcycle. I had to stop by the side of the road and gasp for a while. Thought I was having a heart attack. I'm not quite sure how a wasp - bee - etc. would get around the windscreen to smack you in a Piet though - unless he hit you from behind. Tom Stinemetze Enjoying a beautiful Fall in McPherson, KS. ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:24 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? Dan, Regarding aluminum strut size: I'm also in the building stage, and my project has not flown yet, so I have no flying hours on my struts. I bought strut material from Skytec. I will use the large 3-1/8" x 1-3/16" for my wing struts and 2-7/16" x 15/16" for my cabane struts. I chose to use the same large strut material for my rear wing struts as the front struts so all my end fittings are the same in design and size for ease of construction. I believe a person could use the 2-7/16" strut material for at least the rear strut if a person decided to, as much of the tensile load required to hold the wings in place will come from the diagonal external brace wires located between the two wing struts, and in this case, I will use 1/8" cable and attach the cable to the fuselage fittings and the spar fittings (not to the struts themselves). I asked the folks at Skytec if I could order a short sample of strut material before placing my order, and the kind folks there offered to send me sample pieces of each size at no charge. They also included a sample of very small aluminum streamline tubing that is probably 1-1/4" across the wide dimension. Maybe this material would be useful for jury struts? I hope this helps, and I am certain that there are a number of reasonable options to choose from. John in Greenville, Wisconsin who painted Corvair engine sheet metal pieces today with high temp primer... HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: Gentlemen, (and one lady in Italy) Can anyone with experience help me with the selection of material size? __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:36 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? John, Thank you for your ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:52 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts-what size? John, Thank you for your input. I really appreciate it. I have heard others (archives) have done the same thing. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum struts-what size? From: "carson" Dan That panel looks great,Could I ask where you got the instruments and the mag switch. I would like to have something similar and have looked in the AS&S cat and the internet but can't seem to find anything. Thanks Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142221#142221 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:47 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine builders Thanks Dan, I misunderstood what you wrote. I was thinking of something like a oil drain hole. I will try to get an aluminum cam gear, just for peace of mind. Looking at your fittings, I wondering what colors and paint schema have you in mind? But.....keep the answer for you, sure will be a nice surprise Congratulations again for your wonderful work! Buena suerte Santiago --------------------------------- Los referentes ms importantes en compra/venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo!.Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es ms fcil. Visit http://ar.autos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:56 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Instruments......... Ditto's.....Yes where can you find these kind of instruments? Ken H Fargo, ND carson wrote: Dan That panel looks great,Could I ask where you got the instruments and the mag switch. I would like to have something similar and have looked in the AS&S cat and the internet but can't seem to find anything. Thanks Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142221#142221 Kenneth M. 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