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1. 07:05 AM - Re: Landing Gear (hvandervoo@aol.com)
2. 02:10 PM - Technique for setting wheel toe-in (Gordon Bowen)
3. 02:33 PM - Re: Technique for setting wheel toe-in (Peter W Johnson)
4. 03:16 PM - Re: Technique for setting wheel toe-in (Gordon Bowen)
5. 04:31 PM - Re: Technique for setting wheel toe-in (Gene Rambo)
6. 10:19 PM - Re: Landing Gear (Peter W Johnson)
7. 11:31 PM - Re: Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article (Clif Dawson)
8. 11:49 PM - Re: Landing Gear (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
Peter,
In my opinion you should have a slight toe-in.
See attached drawing for explanation, this assumes both wheels on the ground
.
Of course during a crosswind touchdown one wing will be low and that wheel w
ill control the direction in the first few seconds.
Thus too much Toe in could be bad in this few seconds, so keep toe-in to a m
inimum
The only reason I see that some airplanes have toe-out is in a unloaded situ
ation.
Does the Gere Biplane have toe-out at gross load ?
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 6:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
Hi Guys,
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Some discussion in my hangar has rasied some questions about landing gear ge
ometry. Our local crop duster pilot flies a Cessna 188 AgWagon and has the U
/C set with toe in. I was talking to a Gere Biplane builder who has the U/C
set with toe out (about 2 degrees overall). With the straight gear Pietenpol
(and mine with J3 type gear) there is no toe in or out. The Agwagon has a t
ailwheel whilst the Gere has a tail skid.
=C2-
Any ideas on the pro=99s and con=99s of the different methods?
=C2-
Cheers
=C2-
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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| Subject: | Technique for setting wheel toe-in |
Had a couple emails for builder's interested in laser method to set the
wheel's toe-in. Rather than repeating, thought I'd write up and post as
attachment for anyone who may be interested. Hope it's helpful.
Gordon
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| Subject: | Technique for setting wheel toe-in |
Gordon/Hans,
Thanks for the info. What/where am I trying to shim? The only way I can see
to adjust things is to get the gas torch out (like Chuck)
Cheers
Peter
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Bowen
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Technique for setting wheel toe-in
Had a couple emails for builder's interested in laser method to set the
wheel's toe-in. Rather than repeating, thought I'd write up and post as
attachment for anyone who may be interested. Hope it's helpful.
Gordon
6:26 PM
6:26 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Technique for setting wheel toe-in |
Sorry 'bout that Peter,
I have a cub style type bungeed gear, also Cessna wheels, brakes and
axle. I can shim up behind the axle backing plate.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter W Johnson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Technique for setting wheel toe-in
Gordon/Hans,
Thanks for the info. What/where am I trying to shim? The only way I
can see to adjust things is to get the gas torch out (like Chuck)
Cheers
Peter
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Bowen
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 8:10 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Technique for setting wheel toe-in
Had a couple emails for builder's interested in laser method to set
the wheel's toe-in. Rather than repeating, thought I'd write up and
post as attachment for anyone who may be interested. Hope it's helpful.
Gordon
30/10/2007 6:26 PM
30/10/2007 6:26 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Technique for setting wheel toe-in |
I don't know about using lasers and such . . . just spin the wheels and
make a chalk line on each wheel, then make the distance exactly the same
on the front and back of the wheels. Can't get much simpler than that.
Gene
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Hans,
I=92m not too sure of the geometry on a Gere but the builder was adamant
about
toe out. I think it is fixed whether loaded or not. Again this would be
the
same as the Piet. It should only change the camber when the load is
changed.
Cheers
Peter.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hvandervoo@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
Peter,
In my opinion you should have a slight toe-in.
See attached drawing for explanation, this assumes both wheels on the
ground.
Of course during a crosswind touchdown one wing will be low and that
wheel
will control the direction in the first few seconds.
Thus too much Toe in could be bad in this few seconds, so keep toe-in to
a
minimum
The only reason I see that some airplanes have toe-out is in a unloaded
situation.
Does the Gere Biplane have toe-out at gross load ?
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 6:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
Hi Guys,
Some discussion in my hangar has rasied some questions about landing
gear
geometry. Our local crop duster pilot flies a Cessna 188 AgWagon and has
the
U/C set with toe in. I was talking to a Gere Biplane builder who has the
U/C
set with toe out (about 2 degrees overall). With the straight gear
Pietenpol
(and mine with J3 type gear) there is no toe in or out. The Agwagon has
a
tailwheel whilst the Gere has a tail skid.
Any ideas on the pro=92s and con=92s of the different methods?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article |
Finaly I've rediscovered this article so here's the missing page
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Winter" <twinter1@unl.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bowers Pietenpol Article
>
> Cliff, Thank you! But there appears to be a page missing. Page 61?
> button 1 gives p. 56.
> Button 2. gives p. 57.
> 3. p. 58.
> 4. p. 59. Text ends "...built by"
> 5. No page number: pictures and caption only. Apparently page 60.
> 6. "Continued from page 61." Text begins "and gussets by ..."
> 7. PIETENPOLS, Continued. p. 88.
> 8. p. 89.
> 9. p. 90.
>
>
> --
> 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear |
I'm looking at the Gere in the 1933 Flying Manual. The landing gear is
is drawn and discussed in some detail but there is no mention at all
of toe in or out.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter W Johnson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
Hans,
I=92m not too sure of the geometry on a Gere but the builder was
adamant about toe out. I think it is fixed whether loaded or not. Again
this would be the same as the Piet. It should only change the camber
when the load is changed.
Cheers
Peter.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hvandervoo@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 1:03 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
Peter,
In my opinion you should have a slight toe-in.
See attached drawing for explanation, this assumes both wheels on the
ground.
Of course during a crosswind touchdown one wing will be low and that
wheel will control the direction in the first few seconds.
Thus too much Toe in could be bad in this few seconds, so keep toe-in
to a minimum
The only reason I see that some airplanes have toe-out is in a
unloaded situation.
Does the Gere Biplane have toe-out at gross load ?
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 6:23 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear
Hi Guys,
Some discussion in my hangar has rasied some questions about landing
gear geometry. Our local crop duster pilot flies a Cessna 188 AgWagon
and has the U/C set with toe in. I was talking to a Gere Biplane builder
who has the U/C set with toe out (about 2 degrees overall). With the
straight gear Pietenpol (and mine with J3 type gear) there is no toe in
or out. The Agwagon has a tailwheel whilst the Gere has a tail skid.
Any ideas on the pro=92s and con=92s of the different methods?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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