---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/08/07: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/07/07 (tbyh@aol.com) 2. 07:25 AM - Horn angles (rudder & elevators) (Jack T. Textor) 3. 07:41 AM - Re: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) (HelsperSew@aol.com) 4. 08:53 AM - Re: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) (Rick Holland) 5. 08:55 AM - filler neck (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 09:53 AM - Re: filler neck (Rick Holland) 7. 09:58 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/07/07 (Mike Kerley) 8. 10:45 AM - Re: filler neck (Brian Kraut) 9. 12:44 PM - Re: filler neck (HelsperSew@aol.com) 10. 02:13 PM - Cont. cam followers (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 04:07 PM - Dallas: Aircraft Engine & Accessory: cam followers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 12. 04:13 PM - Re: Cont. cam followers (Brian Kraut) 13. 04:25 PM - Sky Scout for sale (Brian Kraut) 14. 06:19 PM - Re: Sky Scout for sale (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 15. 07:19 PM - Re: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) (gcardinal) 16. 07:47 PM - Re: New Piet on the block (Skip Gadd) 17. 08:47 PM - Re: Fw: Low Mars - Lake Elsinore (Steve Eldredge) 18. 10:15 PM - Re: New Piet on the block (Skip Gadd) 19. 11:53 PM - Re: Cont. cam followers (Gene & Tammy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/07/07 From: tbyh@aol.com Got the latest Sport Aviation magazine yesterday -- says that Kermit Pietenpol has passed away. I never met him or talked to him, but we should all acknowledge his passing. Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) From: "Jack T. Textor" Morning from chilly Des Moines, I saw plenty of discussion of whether or not to angle the horns or leave them straight in the archives, but no mention of the amount. I plan on angling the elevator horns in 12 degrees and the rudder horn down 13 degrees. Does this seem appropriate? Thanks, Jack Textor www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:15 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) Jack, I waited to mount those horns until I could clamp all the surfaces in place so I could just pull a string and see what those angles were. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:54 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) Agreed, I did what Dan did. Just have to wait till your fuselage (and rear controls) are mostly done before drilling the holes. Then you can get the angle exact. Rick On Nov 8, 2007 8:34 AM, wrote: > Jack, > > I waited to mount those horns until I could clamp all the surfaces in > place so I could just pull a string and see what those angles were. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > ------------------------------ > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:38 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: filler neck Ken wrote- >Anyone in Pietenpol land have a supplier for this aluminum filler neck for my gas tank under construction? When in doubt, go to the automotive guys. Check out Summit Racing or Jeg's ... they both carry parts and pieces for fabricating tanks and radiators th at use filler necks with and without overflow. "Moroso" is one brand of fi ller necks and caps that you'll find there. I bought one from Summit Racin g to fabricate the filler neck for my smoke tank out of (not yet complete). >are most using the cork type visual wire fuel indicator or the mechanical gage? 41CC has the good old float rod system and it works great. I sometimes won der what kind of moonshine jugs Corky got the two big corks off of that he made the float out of, but they seem to float fine. Corky also used brass rod for the float rod and filed small notches in the rod to mark off each g allon. You can't see the notches from the cockpit (or at least my old eyes can't), but there really isn't much need to know exact quantity anyway. S he's either got fuel or she ain't, and if you have to count notches you pro bably should have been looking for a landing spot a while ago anyway ;o) Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://w ww.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:47 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: filler neck ACS has one with a screw in neck and cap on a chain, worked fine on my AL tank. Surprisingly inexpensive also. Rick On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Ken wrote- > > >Anyone in Pietenpol land have a supplier for this aluminum filler neck > for my gas tank under construction? > > When in doubt, go to the automotive guys. Check out Summit Racing or > Jeg's... they both carry parts and pieces for fabricating tanks and > radiators that use filler necks with and without overflow. "Moroso" is one > brand of filler necks and caps that you'll find there. I bought one from > Summit Racing to fabricate the filler neck for my smoke tank out of (not yet > complete). > > >are most using the cork type visual wire fuel indicator or the mechanical > gage? > > 41CC has the good old float rod system and it works great. I sometimes > wonder what kind of moonshine jugs Corky got the two big corks off of that > he made the float out of, but they seem to float fine. Corky also used > brass rod for the float rod and filed small notches in the rod to mark off > each gallon. You can't see the notches from the cockpit (or at least my old > eyes can't), but there really isn't much need to know exact quantity > anyway. She's either got fuel or she ain't, and if you have to count > notches you probably should have been looking for a landing spot a while ago > anyway ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:50 AM PST US From: Mike Kerley Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/07/07 I have tried to UNSUBSCIBE from the Matronics list on several occasions (going to the UNSUBSCRIBE section at the MATRONICS main website, but I am having no luck in getting off the distribution. MATT PLEASE MAKE IT EASIER TO UNSUBSCRIBE. I can fly an airplane at night in a thunderstorm by myself, but I sure as heck can't unsubscribe from MATRONICS! Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. 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(Matt Dralle) 1. 06:43 AM - Re: sky scout -- FISHER (Tim Willis) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: sky scout -- FISHER (Tim Willis) 3. 12:10 PM - Props for sale (Don Emch) 4. 03:32 PM - Filler neck (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 5. 07:24 PM - Leading edge sheet issue, and getting ready to solo! (Scott Schreiber) 6. 07:45 PM - Re: Leading edge sheet issue, and getting ready to solo! (Don Emch) 7. 10:39 PM - Fw: Low Mars - Lake Elsinore (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:55 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: What Listers Are Saying... November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below. The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support of the List members. 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Mike C. It is a great service to us! Kevin C. The list is a wonderful resource... Ralph O. [The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in building my RV-9A and now my RV-10. Albert G. ..a valuable and always improving service. Dick S. STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!! Owen B. ..such a valuable tool. Jon M. [The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me as a Zenith homebuilder. David G. The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other interesting builders and to make some new friends is truly appreciated. Albert G. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:36 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sky scout -- FISHER Ken and Dick, I just looked at the Fisher site. Today they offer PLANS ONLY for all models, and moreover, they have pricing for only a few models that they show, as well. That 7/8 scale wooden Tiger Moth is available in plans, though, and looks really cool. There's not a "Piet builders board" equivalent for it, though, I'll bet-- a major asset for us Pieters. It looks like they are tyring to return to strong builder roots, and I for one hope Fisher completes its plans to make both plans and kits available. My local (Austin) EAA chapter has one bloke building a Skybolt, another a Cozy on a very long-term build, and my halting Piet efforts. ALL the others are RVs-- 14,400 rivets. What's the fun in that? Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" >Sent: Nov 6, 2007 11:19 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sky scout > >Hey Dick..... Every looked at any of the kit planes at Fisher Flying Products since they are of wooden build? Just a thought....... > > Sincerely, > > Village idiot. > >Dick Navratil wrote: > Thanks Brian and Dale for the comments. I was thinking of the Sky Scout in particular because it is a fiamiliar design to me. I also considered a VP-2 and other simple designs. The deal I would make with the school is to move my shop tools into the school workshop, I will supply all materials and supplies and then the plane will be mine. >The school would have no expense except for a teacher from the Physics class who would put it into the class schedule. > Dick > > > >Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:43 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sky scout -- FISHER Maybe I looked at an old website for Fisher. Other data show they do have kits, esp. the Tiger Moth. Google it. -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Willis >Sent: Nov 7, 2007 8:39 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sky scout -- FISHER > >Ken and Dick, > I just looked at the Fisher site. Today they offer PLANS ONLY for all models, and moreover, they have pricing for only a few models that they show, as well. That 7/8 scale wooden Tiger Moth is available in plans, though, and looks really cool. There's not a "Piet builders board" equivalent for it, though, I'll bet-- a major asset for us Pieters. > It looks like they are tyring to return to strong builder roots, and I for one hope Fisher completes its plans to make both plans and kits available. My local (Austin) EAA chapter has one bloke building a Skybolt, another a Cozy on a very long-term build, and my halting Piet efforts. ALL the others are RVs-- 14,400 rivets. What's the fun in that? > >Tim in central TX > >-----Original Message----- >>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" >>Sent: Nov 6, 2007 11:19 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sky scout >> >>Hey Dick..... Every looked at any of the kit planes at Fisher Flying Products since they are of wooden build? Just a thought....... >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Village idiot. >> >>Dick Navratil wrote: >> Thanks Brian and Dale for the comments. I was thinking of the Sky Scout in particular because it is a fiamiliar design to me. I also considered a VP-2 and other simple designs. The deal I would make with the school is to move my shop tools into the school workshop, I will supply all materials and supplies and then the plane will be mine. >>The school would have no expense except for a teacher from the Physics class who would put it into the class schedule. >> Dick >> >> >> >> >> >>Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP >> >> __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Props for sale From: "Don Emch" Hi Guys, I've always wanted a Falcon prop for my Piet. I finally found one that I like. It sounds kind of stupid but I'm putting it on the plane for sentimental/nostalgic reasons. Anyway I have to clear out the props that I have. They are both for an A-65 Continental. One is a Hegy 72 x 44. It has about 140 hours on it and is in nice shape. It performed really well on my plane. The other is a Sterba 76 x 38. This size was decided on after talking with several prop carvers. I really like it's performance. It is about 6 months old. It has about 45 hours on it. I've really enjoyed trying different props on my plane, but I want to put the Falcon on for those strange sentimental/nostalgic reasons. Anyway I'd like to get $325 out of the Hegy and $500 out of the Sterba. I'm going to put them on ebay but I thought it would be cool if they went on a Piet. If anyone is interested they can email me at EmchAir@aol.com or call me at (330) 429-5265 If you hurry and you're close by you can go for a ride behind the Sterba because it's still on the plane! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144461#144461 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:55 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Filler neck Members of the list: I am in search of an aluminum filler neck for my fuel tank. I have found a few abut need one with some height and a threaded fuel cap. Anyone in Pietenpol land have a supplier for this aluminum filler neck for my gas tank under construction? Also, are most using the cork type visual wire fuel indicator or the mechanical gage? Ken H. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:20 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading edge sheet issue, and getting ready to solo! Per the plans it can be 1/16 ply or cardboard, I read about oatmeal cans being used, so clearly it isn't structural. I bought 45degree ply on the advice of an EAA senior member. Trying to use it seems impossible. It just won't conform and wants to warp and roll every way and doesn't remotely look like the shape of the ribs when tacked down in place. I am thinking I should have gone with 1/16 90 degree with the grain running parallel with the wing. I have a few feet of that laying around and it seems to conform and shape nicely. Another senior member and technical advisor recomended using 1/32 for a number of reasons. I have some of that as well from models and it conforms like a champ, but of course is thinner, and I don't know how it would hold it's shape against fabric. Other than that, my wings are ready to cover, and if the fuse can get covered and the control system done over the winter then I am looking good for a Piet summer. Also, I am about a week out from doing my first solo as it looks. Man I can't wait. -Scott ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Leading edge sheet issue, and getting ready to solo! From: "Don Emch" 1/16" 90 degree plywood with the grain running parallel to the wing is pretty much the norm. It conforms fairly well to the airfoil. When glued down to the ribs it does tend to bow up between the ribs. However once the wings are covered, the fabric pulls that same bowed up plywood down slightly between the ribs and gives the wing a nice smooth shape. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144534#144534 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:52 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Low Mars - Lake Elsinore You want low and slow? I give you low and slow! Clif __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:27 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: filler neck I just welded one of those into a tank for my Piet also. It is an aluminum flange that you weld to the tank and a steel filler neck that screws into the flange. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bayonetfuelcaps.php Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:26 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: filler neck ACS has one with a screw in neck and cap on a chain, worked fine on my AL tank. Surprisingly inexpensive also. Rick On Nov 8, 2007 9:49 AM, Oscar Zuniga < taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: Ken wrote- >Anyone in Pietenpol land have a supplier for this aluminum filler neck for my gas tank under construction? When in doubt, go to the automotive guys. Check out Summit Racing or Jeg's... they both carry parts and pieces for fabricating tanks and radiators that use filler necks with and without overflow. "Moroso" is one brand of filler necks and caps that you'll find there. I bought one from Summit Racing to fabricate the filler neck for my smoke tank out of (not yet complete). >are most using the cork type visual wire fuel indicator or the mechanical gage? 41CC has the good old float rod system and it works great. I sometimes wonder what kind of moonshine jugs Corky got the two big corks off of that he made the float out of, but they seem to float fine. Corky also used brass rod for the float rod and filed small notches in the rod to mark off each gallon. You can't see the notches from the cockpit (or at least my old eyes can't), but there really isn't much need to know exact quantity anyway. She's either got fuel or she ain't, and if you have to count notches you probably should have been looking for a landing spot a while ago anyway ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:54 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: filler neck Weldable filler necks----------I believe are available from WAG AERO, in Wis. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:33 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cam followers Looking for some cam followers for Cont. A65/75. Several of the ones on th e 75 core that I bought are pitted and rather than try to grind/polish them out, my mechanic thinks we should try to find some. P/N 21608. Thanks!Os car ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www .flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dallas: Aircraft Engine & Accessory: cam followers From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Oscar-- I sent all my Continental parts here and when some didn't meet spec the guys there fixed me up with either serviceable used/reconditioned for a good price or new at a decent price. I don't know what kind of operation they run these days but in the mid 90's they were fantastic to work with. They knew small engine Continentals very well. http://www.aea-precision.com/ Mike C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:23 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cam followers Are they the same ones on the 85 and O-200? I have a ton of parts for them. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:07 PM To: Pietenpol List Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cam followers Looking for some cam followers for Cont. A65/75. Several of the ones on the 75 core that I bought are pitted and rather than try to grind/polish them out, my mechanic thinks we should try to find some. P/N 21608. Thanks! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:03 PM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout for sale I have a divorce coming up and I need to lighten my load a little. I have a very nice Sky Scout for sale. The fusalage and engine are from a previously flying plane and are complete and ready to go. The wings and tail were taken for another Piet project. I do have a complete new tail ready to cover though. I also have a complete set of GN-1 ribs already completed. I have the center section spars done and the spruce for the outboard wing spars. I just welded up a very nice aluminum center section wing tank. All metal fittings are completed. I have the drag wires, pulleys, etc. All you will need to buy to finish this project is the spruce leading edge for the wing, plywood or sheet metal to cover the leading edge, material for the struts, aileron cables, and covering supplies. Should be well under $500 for everything to complete and can be done in probably a few months time. I do also have the covering materials and would sell them with the project, but I have another plane I can use them on also. The engine is a Chrysler 2.2 and it has electric start. It has a very nice wood prop, starter, and alternator. First $6,500 takes it all. I am still working on the plane a few times a week and price will go up as it gets nearer to completion. This is really a steal. Craftsmanship on the plane is very good. The work was done by a guy that built several other Piets. My number is 904-536-1780. The Plane is in Jacksonville, FL. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:33 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout for sale Brian, I have been down that road.....keep you faith and take the high road. Teflon comes to mind. After the smoke clears, you realize everything can grow again, your heart, mind and spirit. I lost everything, and I mean everything. Stick to your values that were taught to you and soon enough, you will be back in the air ready to live life again....Life teaches some very hard lesson....now go find your happiness. Sincerely, Best wishes....Kenneth M. Heide Brian Kraut wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } I have a divorce coming up and I need to lighten my load a little. I have a very nice Sky Scout for sale. The fusalage and engine are from a previously flying plane and are complete and ready to go. The wings and tail were taken for another Piet project. I do have a complete new tail ready to cover though. I also have a complete set of GN-1 ribs already completed. I have the center section spars done and the spruce for the outboard wing spars. I just welded up a very nice aluminum center section wing tank. All metal fittings are completed. I have the drag wires, pulleys, etc. All you will need to buy to finish this project is the spruce leading edge for the wing, plywood or sheet metal to cover the leading edge, material for the struts, aileron cables, and covering supplies. Should be well under $500 for everything to complete and can be done in probably a few months time. I do also have the covering materials and would sell them with the project, but I have another plane I can use them on also. The engine is a Chrysler 2.2 and it has electric start. It has a very nice wood prop, starter, and alternator. First $6,500 takes it all. I am still working on the plane a few times a week and price will go up as it gets nearer to completion. This is really a steal. Craftsmanship on the plane is very good. The work was done by a guy that built several other Piets. My number is 904-536-1780. The Plane is in Jacksonville, FL. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:03 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) The angled rudder horn might cause some trim issues. Twist the ends of the horn down to meet the rudder cable angle. You will also discover just how strong the plans built control horns are when you try to twist them. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Textor To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horn angles (rudder & elevators) Morning from chilly Des Moines, I saw plenty of discussion of whether or not to angle the horns or leave them straight in the archives, but no mention of the amount. I plan on angling the elevator horns in 12 degrees and the rudder horn down 13 degrees. Does this seem appropriate? Thanks, Jack Textor www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:56 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Rick, We have one runway lot for sale and one across the runway from us may be on the market soon, the rest are sold, there are currently 5 hangar or hangar/apartments under construction. You would love it here, density altitude way less than you have out west ;o) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 11/2/2007 9:39:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Or Piet Heaven. Soon you will have more Piets than Broadhead. I am jealous, would love to find an air park as nice are yours one of these days. Rick ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:12 PM PST US From: Steve Eldredge Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Low Mars - Lake Elsinore Wow. Wow. Wow! Thanks for sending these along!!! Steve E. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Low Mars - Lake Elsinore You want low and slow? I give you low and slow! Clif ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:40 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Barry, Let me know when, we will crank up the chili machine. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Davis Sent: 11/2/2007 10:17:16 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Hey Skip, Looks like ya'll are starting a Piet Haven. This may be good enough for a flight up there one Saturday Barry Davis ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:32 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cam followers Oscar, Some of the best prices I found when I rebuilt my A65 was with Woody Herman at 1800-279-3168. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Pietenpol List Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. cam followers Looking for some cam followers for Cont. A65/75. Several of the ones on the 75 core that I bought are pitted and rather than try to grind/polish them out, my mechanic thinks we should try to find some. P/N 21608. Thanks! 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