---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/15/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:55 AM - Re: need technical advice from the pros (Ed G.) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: need technical advice from the pros (Phillips, Jack) 3. 05:33 AM - Re: need technical advice from the pros fuselage (Ryan Michals) 4. 05:34 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List=Fuel Tank (Ben Charvet) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Ribs (Robert Gow) 6. 07:53 AM - Mystery (dlbenham) 7. 10:14 AM - Re: Mystery (Phillips, Jack) 8. 10:54 AM - Re: Mystery (Bill Church) 9. 11:48 AM - Re: New Piet on the block (Rick Holland) 10. 01:48 PM - Re: Mystery (Skip Gadd) 11. 01:51 PM - Re: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal (Bill Church) 12. 01:52 PM - Re: New Piet on the block (Skip Gadd) 13. 02:40 PM - Re: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal (Rick Holland) 14. 02:41 PM - Re: New Piet on the block (Rick Holland) 15. 03:59 PM - Re: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal (Glenn Thomas) 16. 04:14 PM - Piper Cub airspeed indicator for sale (DJ Vegh) 17. 04:26 PM - Re: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal (Dave and Connie) 18. 04:55 PM - Re: Ribs (Richard) 19. 06:33 PM - Leading airfoil shape-- scalloped back edge (santiago morete) 20. 07:04 PM - need technical advice from the pros (santiago morete) 21. 07:37 PM - Aeronca threaded strut forks (DJ Vegh) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:19 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Value of the List... 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Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:34 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros I glued all of the plywood except for the firewall and had no problems at all installing the controls, pulleys etc. Leaving the firewall plywood off until after the front rudder pedals are installed was a big help. I temporarily nailed an X of thin wood strips accross the firewall opening to keep the fuselage square while the seatbacks etc. were being installed. Ed G. >From: "Rick Holland" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:33:07 -0700 > >I held off gluing both plywood sides and the firewall until I had all >controls and seat parts installed. Thought it made assembly easier although >many glue the plywood side panels on before joining the sides. > >Rick > >On Nov 14, 2007 8:11 PM, Marc Dumay wrote: > > > Good day > > > > > > > > We are about to assemble the fuselage of our Air Camper. > > > > Should we just go ahead and glue all the plywood, seat backs, braces, >etc. > > before we do any interior work such as pulleys, rigging. > > > > Or is it better to leave a certain section of plywood off to do other >work > > first? > > > > What is the preferred method in gluing/fastening the ribs to the spars. > > > > Does anyone have a detailed photo, of how they fastened the ribs to the > > spars? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for any advice > > > > captmarcus@sympatico.ca > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > >-- >Rick Holland >ObjectAge Ltd. >Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros From: "Phillips, Jack" I did the same as Ed, except I made a temporary firewall of cheap 1/4" plywood and nailed it in place. If you can get in to the firewall area, the rest of the plywood does not get in the way. See attached photo with a much younger "me" sitting in the fuselage (that picture was taken about 9 years ago). Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed G. Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros I glued all of the plywood except for the firewall and had no problems at all installing the controls, pulleys etc. Leaving the firewall plywood off until after the front rudder pedals are installed was a big help. I temporarily nailed an X of thin wood strips accross the firewall opening to keep the fuselage square while the seatbacks etc. were being installed. Ed G. >From: "Rick Holland" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:33:07 -0700 > >I held off gluing both plywood sides and the firewall until I had all >controls and seat parts installed. Thought it made assembly easier although >many glue the plywood side panels on before joining the sides. > >Rick > >On Nov 14, 2007 8:11 PM, Marc Dumay wrote: > > > Good day > > > > > > > > We are about to assemble the fuselage of our Air Camper. > > > > Should we just go ahead and glue all the plywood, seat backs, braces, >etc. > > before we do any interior work such as pulleys, rigging. > > > > Or is it better to leave a certain section of plywood off to do other >work > > first? > > > > What is the preferred method in gluing/fastening the ribs to the spars. > > > > Does anyone have a detailed photo, of how they fastened the ribs to the > > spars? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for any advice > > > > captmarcus@sympatico.ca > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > >-- >Rick Holland >ObjectAge Ltd. >Castle Rock, Colorado _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:19 AM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros fuselage Rick, I am at that point now. What I did was install all the vertical gusset plates, join the two sides at the tail, install all cross members and struts (without gusset plates), the firewall and pilot's seat back. At this point I removed it from the jig. The firewall, pilot's seat back and the tail will keep the fuselage square, the cross struts keep the sides where they should be. I did it this way so I could prep and glue the horizontal gussets in the tail and the floor while it's up side down, then flip the fuselage over to let the glue to set up. T-88 joints are so much nicer when the pieces are able to sit in the pooling epoxy (wiping off excess of course) rather than it running out and down along the braces. Happy Building, Ryan M "Ed G." wrote: I glued all of the plywood except for the firewall and had no problems at all installing the controls, pulleys etc. Leaving the firewall plywood off until after the front rudder pedals are installed was a big help. I temporarily nailed an X of thin wood strips accross the firewall opening to keep the fuselage square while the seatbacks etc. were being installed. Ed G. >From: "Rick Holland" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:33:07 -0700 > >I held off gluing both plywood sides and the firewall until I had all >controls and seat parts installed. Thought it made assembly easier although >many glue the plywood side panels on before joining the sides. > >Rick > >On Nov 14, 2007 8:11 PM, Marc Dumay wrote: > > > Good day > > > > > > > > We are about to assemble the fuselage of our Air Camper. > > > > Should we just go ahead and glue all the plywood, seat backs, braces, >etc. > > before we do any interior work such as pulleys, rigging. > > > > Or is it better to leave a certain section of plywood off to do other >work > > first? > > > > What is the preferred method in gluing/fastening the ribs to the spars. > > > > Does anyone have a detailed photo, of how they fastened the ribs to the > > spars? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for any advice > > > > captmarcus@sympatico.ca > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > >-- >Rick Holland >ObjectAge Ltd. >Castle Rock, Colorado --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:43 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List=Fuel Tank I got lucky on the fuel tank, and a guy in my chapter gave it to me. It came out of a Piper Cub and fits in the nose pretty nicely, although I'm going to need to extend the filler neck a little bit. I believe it holds 12 gallons Ben K MHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP wrote: > Ben, > Where did you get your fuel tank? > Ken H > > */Ben Charvet /* wrote: > > > Its been 2 years since I did my fuselage, but as I remember I > nailed the > bottom on the fuselage while it was still in the jig, after I > glued the > tail post together. This really stiffens up the whole structure. I > suppose you could wait to nail the side pieces on, but the > fuselage is > only 24 inches deep and reaching down to install the fittings > wasn't a > problem for me. I just used a chalk line snapped on my building > table as > a centerline reference and had the table as level as I could get them > prior to joining the fuselage sides. I was a lot better at taking > pictures back then, and you may want to look at some of them at: > http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReport.cfm?PlaneID=481&FName=Ben&LName=Charvet&PlaneName=Air%20Camper > > Scroll down to May-Sept 2005 and there are a few pictures of my > fuselage. I did wait until the seats were installed before nailing on > the plywood sides. Don't forget the inner plywood sheeting that > goes on > the upper forward part of the fuselage between the firewall and the > forward cabane struts (I forgot and had to add it later) > > Welcome to the list. You will find lots of good advice from others > that > have already faced the same questions, and many varying ways folks > have > solved the problems. Solving all these problems is part of the fun! > > Ben Charvet > Mims, Fl > > Marc Dumay wrote: > > > > Fuselage Assembly > > > > A question, for the experienced ? > > > > Im ready to start assembling the fuselage for our Extended Air > > Camper, and wonder if the plywood should not be glued on the > bottom, > > left and right side, until the interior is complete. > > > > Controls, rudder pedals, cable pullys, rigging, etc. > > > > Or, should I just put all the plywood on now, and fit everything > > afterwards. > > > > We were going to assemble, the bottom and sides, the internal wood > > members, and then put the plywood skins on last, after the skeleton > > framework has dried.. > > > > What about our plans, to run a piano wire above, and dead centre of > > the fuselage. To be used for a reference point for square, level > and a > > centreline for accuracy? > > > > Is there a better way, or place to find more details?. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Captain Marcus > > > > Chatham, On > > > > * > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > > * > > > * > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:43 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs I paid $350 and haven't even unpacked them before I bought a project. I'll try to get some pictures this weekend for you. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Sent: November 14, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs Please advise price and if possible, pictures thanks Richard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146055#146055 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:18 AM PST US From: "dlbenham" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Hi Group: A few weeks ago a long time friend passed away and left me his airplane project. After hauling the project from Florida to Indiana, and becoming more familiar with it, I don't know if it is a Pietenpol or a GN-1 aircamper. He always called it a Pietenpol. I have ordered the plans (only thing I didn't receive) from Don Pietenpol and have found several differences in the project. The cabanes I believe are Piet, (shorter than GN, also rear cabanes lean back some) landing gear is definitely GN-1 with bungie cords installed, the wings struts are two different sizes of square tubing, with the smaller (rear) having a threaded rod end installed to rig wash out. The center section seems to be a lot wider than the Piet plans, with no provisions for a wing tank. The control trim system has an elaborate system of pulleys, cables, and springs with a crank on the left side of the rear cockpit which appears to preload the stick for different load conditions. The builder has had the airframe completely assembled at some point because all of the controls are installed, all pulleys, cables, etc are in place, control horns on ailerons, elevators, and rudder are attached. If anyone could offer information to help identify the project would be appreciated. If you want, contact me off list at dlbenham@hughes.net. Thanks Dallas L. Benham RR#1 Box 109 Lyons, IN 47443 812-659-3321 DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mystery From: "Phillips, Jack" Easiest way to tell a Grega from a Pietenpol is to note where the landing gear struts attach in comparison to where the lift struts attach. One a Pietenpol, the landing gear attaches at the same point as the lift struts, front and rear. On a Grega, the front landing gear struts are attached at the forward lift strut fitting, but the rear landing gear struts are forward of the rear lift struts. Jack Phillips Pietenpol Air Camper NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dlbenham Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Hi Group: A few weeks ago a long time friend passed away and left me his airplane project. After hauling the project from Florida to Indiana, and becoming more familiar with it, I don't know if it is a Pietenpol or a GN-1 aircamper. He always called it a Pietenpol. I have ordered the plans (only thing I didn't receive) from Don Pietenpol and have found several differences in the project. The cabanes I believe are Piet, (shorter than GN, also rear cabanes lean back some) landing gear is definitely GN-1 with bungie cords installed, the wings struts are two different sizes of square tubing, with the smaller (rear) having a threaded rod end installed to rig wash out. The center section seems to be a lot wider than the Piet plans, with no provisions for a wing tank. The control trim system has an elaborate system of pulleys, cables, and springs with a crank on the left side of the rear cockpit which appears to preload the stick for different load conditions. The builder has had the airframe completely assembled at some point because all of the controls are installed, all pulleys, cables, etc are in place, control horns on ailerons, elevators, and rudder are attached. If anyone could offer information to help identify the project would be appreciated. If you want, contact me off list at dlbenham@hughes.net. Thanks Dallas L. Benham RR#1 Box 109 Lyons, IN 47443 812-659-3321 DO NOT ARCHIVE _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mystery From: "Bill Church" Dallas, First of all, welcome to the list, and enjoy your project, despite the unfortunate circumstances that led to your recieving it. I haven't actually seen GN-1 plans personally - only the Pietenpol plans, but there are a few details that make it a little easier to tell the two apart. If your project is not covered yet, it should be a little easier, as the metal fittings for the GN-1 centersection are quite different from the Pietenpol fittings. Since you have the Pietenpol plans, you should be able to see which ones you have. The Pietenpol control horns are made of light gauge sheet metal, formed into an airfoil shape, whereas the GN-1 control horns are cut from a single thickness of heavier sheet metal. The Pietenpol rudder horns are mounted about half-way up the rudder (above the horizontal stab), whereas the GN-1 rudder horns are mounted near the bottom of the rudder (below the H-stab). The Pietenpol has plywood fuselage sides only as far back as the pilot's seat, but if made to the plans, the GN-1 has plywood running the full length of the fuselage. The distance between the forward cabane strut attach points and the firewall is a bit bigger (at least it sure looks bigger) in the GN-1 than the Pietenpol. The Pietenpol has a single stringer running down the outside of the fuselage, to give the fuse a bit of shape, whereas the GN-1 has two, making it look a bit rounder. The true Pietenpol landing gear attaches to the fuselage at the same points as the lift struts, but the GN-1 landing gear (borrowed from a Piper Cub) only mates up at the forward lift strut attach point. The Pietenpol design allows the wing location (relative to the firewall) to be adjusted forward or backward (usually backward) to compensate for weight and balance issues. As I understand it, the GN-1 design does not have this ability. However, all of the above depends on the builder following the plans. And it appears that almost every builder thinks of at least one way to "improve" the plans for either of these two craft, so it becomes very difficult to tell what is what sometimes. For instance, it sounds like your friend incorporated a trim system into his (your) project. Neither plan set includes a trim system (as far as I know). If you could post a few pictures, a few sharp-eyed list members would likely be able to tell you what you have. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:09 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Skip How big are the lots and any idea how much they are going for? Rick On Nov 8, 2007 7:22 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: > Rick, > We have one runway lot for sale and one across the runway from us may be > on the market soon, the rest are sold, there are currently 5 hangar or > hangar/apartments under construction. You would love it here, density > altitude way less than you have out west ;o) > Skip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* 11/2/2007 9:39:04 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block > > Or Piet Heaven. Soon you will have more Piets than Broadhead. I am > jealous, would love to find an air park as nice are yours one of these days. > > Rick > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:01 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Dallas. The back pit in the Grega is allot smaller, 23 1/4", in the Piet it is at least 29" and in the longest fuse is 31". The front spar is larger than the back spar on the Grega. The Piet, both spars are the same size. The aileron cables run out the front spar on the Grega and the rear spar on the Piet. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: dlbenham Sent: 11/15/2007 10:57:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Hi Group: A few weeks ago a long time friend passed away and left me his airplane project. After hauling the project from Florida to Indiana, and becoming more familiar with it, I don't know if it is a Pietenpol or a GN-1 aircamper. He always called it a Pietenpol. Thanks Dallas L. Benham ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal From: "Bill Church" Regarding the use of plywood for the leading edge, there's a really good deal available from Boulter Plywood. They have 1.5mm Okoume Marine Plywood in 4' x 8' sheets on special for ONLY $23 per sheet! One sheet would do a set of wings. Here's a web link: http://www.boulterplywood.com/ Go to the tab at the top of the page for "Specials". It says that it's an October Special, but they've got a couple thousand sheets, so they should have some left. Unfortunately for me, I'm up in Canada, and the cost to ship across the border is ridiculous. I enquired to the folks at Boulter, for the cost to ship two or three sheets up to me (I even said it would be okay to rip them into 12" strips, to keep the costs down), and they came back with a cost of $150 just for the shipping. It would be a lot cheaper to have it sent to Alaska. Too bad I don't have an address that ends in USA. Bill C. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:51 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Rick, The lots are an acre, the one for sale now is 25K, and the other will probably be about the same when it comes on the market. http://www.geocities.com/haleslanding/ We had a warm spell and I got to fly Felix the other day, colder and rainy now so it may be awhile before we can go up again. I have been doing a lot of wheel landings lately, seems I can do better wheel landings more consistently than 3 point. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 11/15/2007 2:52:39 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Skip How big are the lots and any idea how much they are going for? Rick On Nov 8, 2007 7:22 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: Rick, We have one runway lot for sale and one across the runway from us may be on the market soon, the rest are sold, there are currently 5 hangar or hangar/apartments under construction. You would love it here, density altitude way less than you have out west ;o) Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland Sent: 11/2/2007 9:39:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Or Piet Heaven. Soon you will have more Piets than Broadhead. I am jealous, would love to find an air park as nice are yours one of these days. Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:59 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal Yea Bill, but you get all that "free" health care up there. Rick On Nov 15, 2007 2:20 PM, Bill Church wrote: > Regarding the use of plywood for the leading edge, there's a really good > deal available from Boulter Plywood. > They have 1.5mm Okoume Marine Plywood in 4' x 8' sheets on special for > ONLY $23 per sheet! One sheet would do a set of wings. > Here's a web link: > > http://www.boulterplywood.com/ > > Go to the tab at the top of the page for "Specials". It says that it's an > October Special, but they've got a couple thousand sheets, so they should > have some left. > > Unfortunately for me, I'm up in Canada, and the cost to ship across the > border is ridiculous. I enquired to the folks at Boulter, for the cost to > ship two or three sheets up to me (I even said it would be okay to rip them > into 12" strips, to keep the costs down), and they came back with a cost of > $150 just for the shipping. It would be a lot cheaper to have it sent to > Alaska. Too bad I don't have an address that ends in USA. > > > Bill C. > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:01 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block Thanks Skip, and its really nice to have those wheel landings figured out when a good crosswind comes up. Hales Landing looks like a real pretty spot, lots of water around you, and viewing it with google maps shows a golf course not too far away. Very nice. Rick On Nov 15, 2007 2:45 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: > Rick, > The lots are an acre, the one for sale now is 25K, and the other will > probably be about the same when it comes on the market. > > http://www.geocities.com/haleslanding/ > > We had a warm spell and I got to fly Felix the other day, colder and rainy > now so it may be awhile before we can go up again. I have been doing a lot > of wheel landings lately, seems I can do better wheel landings more > consistently than 3 point. > > Skip > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rick Holland > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* 11/15/2007 2:52:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block > > Skip > > How big are the lots and any idea how much they are going for? > > Rick > > On Nov 8, 2007 7:22 PM, Skip Gadd wrote: > > > Rick, > > We have one runway lot for sale and one across the runway from us may be > > on the market soon, the rest are sold, there are currently 5 hangar or > > hangar/apartments under construction. You would love it here, density > > altitude way less than you have out west ;o) > > Skip > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Rick Holland > > *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* 11/2/2007 9:39:04 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: New Piet on the block > > > > Or Piet Heaven. Soon you will have more Piets than Broadhead. I am > > jealous, would love to find an air park as nice are yours one of these days. > > > > Rick > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * > > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:04 PM PST US From: "Glenn Thomas" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal I'm going to be in Arlington, MA (right down the street from Boulter on Monday). I'll pick some up while I'm there. Where else on the Piet would you be able to use that? Too bad it isn't June, I'd offer to pick some up and take it to Brodhead. This weekend I'll make a materials list and see what else they have on special. Thanks Bill, Glenn On 11/15/07, Bill Church wrote: > > Regarding the use of plywood for the leading edge, there's a really good > deal available from Boulter Plywood. > They have 1.5mm Okoume Marine Plywood in 4' x 8' sheets on special for > ONLY $23 per sheet! One sheet would do a set of wings. > Here's a web link: > > http://www.boulterplywood.com/ > > Go to the tab at the top of the page for "Specials". It says that it's an > October Special, but they've got a couple thousand sheets, so they should > have some left. > > Unfortunately for me, I'm up in Canada, and the cost to ship across the > border is ridiculous. I enquired to the folks at Boulter, for the cost to > ship two or three sheets up to me (I even said it would be okay to rip them > into 12" strips, to keep the costs down), and they came back with a cost of > $150 just for the shipping. It would be a lot cheaper to have it sent to > Alaska. Too bad I don't have an address that ends in USA. > > > Bill C. > > * > > * > > -- Glenn Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:49 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piper Cub airspeed indicator for sale it's on ebay. Came with my Taylorcraft. I pulled it out last November and it worked when removed. Would need to be re-certified for legal use in certificated aircraft or use as is in your experimental. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110194134832 DJ Vegh ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:26:30 PM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal That seems odd. I bought Okume in Toronto a few years ago to build a kayak. The US dollar was in a bit better shape then. When I crossed the border with the wood hanging out of the back of my pickup they let it pass under NAFTA with no duties. The plywood came from Israel. Dave At 04:20 PM 11/15/2007, you wrote: >Regarding the use of plywood for the leading edge, there's a really good >deal available from Boulter Plywood. >They have 1.5mm Okoume Marine Plywood in 4' x 8' sheets on special for >ONLY $23 per sheet! One sheet would do a set of wings. >Here's a web link: > >http://www.boulterplywood.com/ > >Go to the tab at the top of the page for "Specials". It says that it's an >October Special, but they've got a couple thousand sheets, so they should >have some left. > >Unfortunately for me, I'm up in Canada, and the cost to ship across the >border is ridiculous. I enquired to the folks at Boulter, for the cost to >ship two or three sheets up to me (I even said it would be okay to rip >them into 12" strips, to keep the costs down), and they came back with a >cost of $150 just for the shipping. It would be a lot cheaper to have it >sent to Alaska. Too bad I don't have an address that ends in USA. > > >Bill C. > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ribs From: "Richard" Thanks for the reply. Just want to make sure of the quality, and the presence of T-88. Will await your reply and have a good evening. Richard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146338#146338 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:21 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Leading airfoil shape-- scalloped back edge We made little scalloped gussets, beveled to attach to the leading edge plywood (also beveled). Don't know why I did this, maybe I was boring or want to add some weight : ) Saludos Santiago --------------------------------- Compart video en la ventana de tus mensajes y tambin tus fotos de Flickr. Usel Nuevo Yahoo! Messenger versin Beta. Visit http://ar.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:05 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros We left the plywood sides off until we installed all the controls, throttle levers, pedals etc. We even installed the landing gear and varnished the interior before gluing the sides (also varnished the plywood sides). I konw it is not necessary but this way you can work very comfortably. Some photos attached Saludos Santiago --------------------------------- Compart video en la ventana de tus mensajes y tambin tus fotos de Flickr. Usel Nuevo Yahoo! Messenger versin Beta. Visit http://ar.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:05 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aeronca threaded strut forks I have two strut forks. I am told they are from an Aeronca. They are 100% corrosion free. Have been walnut shell blasted and very clean. I'm told these go for big bucks. Looking to get $60 each. 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