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1. 04:23 AM - Re: need technical advice from the pros ()
2. 06:37 AM - aeronca strut forks (DJ Vegh)
3. 07:21 AM - Re: aeronca strut forks (DJ Vegh)
4. 08:24 AM - routing of engine controls (Tom Bernie)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: Mystery (dlbenham)
6. 10:48 AM - Re: routing of engine controls (Ed G.)
7. 10:57 AM - Re: routing of engine controls (Tim Willis)
8. 11:13 AM - Re: routing of engine controls (Gordon Bowen)
9. 11:17 AM - Re: routing of engine controls (Dick Navratil)
10. 01:55 PM - Re: need technical advice from the pros (Ken Chambers)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: routing of engine controls (Steve Glass)
12. 03:46 PM - Re: Mystery (Brian Kraut)
13. 04:20 PM - Re: Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal (Bill Church)
14. 05:31 PM - Re: Ribs (Richard)
15. 06:42 PM - Sky Scout (Russell Lassetter)
16. 07:25 PM - need technical advice from the pros (santiago morete)
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| Subject: | need technical advice from the pros |
Real nice workmanship!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: November 15, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: need technical advice from the pros
We left the plywood sides off until we installed all the controls,
throttle levers, pedals etc. We even installed the landing gear and
varnished the interior before gluing the sides (also varnished the
plywood sides). I konw it is not necessary but this way you can work
very comfortably.
Some photos attached
Saludos
Santiago
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| Subject: | aeronca strut forks |
ooops my mistake. I thought the forks sold for higher than they do so
I'm revising my price to $25 each which is more than half off.
DJ
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| Subject: | Re: aeronca strut forks |
they are sold thanks
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From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: aeronca strut forks
ooops my mistake. I thought the forks sold for higher than they do so
I'm revising my price to $25 each which is more than half off.
DJ
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| Subject: | routing of engine controls |
Dear List,
I'm thinking of routing my engine controls (tach,oil press & temp,mixture,etc)
outside fuselage and under the fabric so as to keep the front cockpit uncluttered.
Is there any reason for not doing this?
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester, Mass
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Jack, Bill, and Skip:
A great big THANKS for all of the information you fellows offered. From
that information, I DEFINITELY have a Grega GN-1. The project has Piper
Cub landing gear, plywood sides runs to end of fuselage, 2 side
stringers each side, all control horns are flat pieces, rudder horn is
almost at the bottom of the rudder, wing spars different sizes. Aileron
cables are routed from front stick up to front spar, then out to pulleys
that align with aileron horns.
Do any of you guys know if the GN-1 has changed the struts from square
to streamlined. I know the square ones will need some type of
streamlining installed, (balsa, foam, etc.) Does Grega's son still offer
plans? I have been on the website, but unless I overlooked it, they are
not offered. I need to contact him directly.
Thanks again for all of the information and help.
Dallas L. Benham
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| Subject: | routing of engine controls |
I hope not because that's the way I did mine and for the same reason. The
only problem I could see would be replaceing one of them if they were to
were to go bad but with good quality components that is not likely for a
long long time. I figure if that were to happen a new one could be run
inside until the next covering job. Ed G.
>From: Tom Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: routing of engine controls
>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:54:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
>
>
>Dear List,
>
>I'm thinking of routing my engine controls (tach,oil press &
>temp,mixture,etc) outside fuselage and under the fabric so as to keep the
>front cockpit uncluttered. Is there any reason for not doing this?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Bernie
>Gloucester, Mass
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: routing of engine controls |
Corky did it that way on my plane, for the same reason. Besides less clutter,
it's easier to mess with after you ply skin it but before you cover with fabric.
Later, after fabric cover, of course the reverse is true. Suit yourself.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Nov 16, 2007 10:54 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: routing of engine controls
>
>
>Dear List,
>
>I'm thinking of routing my engine controls (tach,oil press & temp,mixture,etc)
outside fuselage and under the fabric so as to keep the front cockpit uncluttered.
Is there any reason for not doing this?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Bernie
>Gloucester, Mass
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: routing of engine controls |
Tom,
Under the fabric will make the outside of your fuse look kinda lumpy. Heck,
hardly anyone can fit in the front cockpit anyway, a few more cable, more or
less, ain't gonna make a lot of diff. If you want to pretty it up a little,
you could consider running all your cables/tubes thru some flex conduit like
electricians use. Or better yet, run them and then use spiril wrap to
bundle them. Over the course of years you're going to be taking these
tubes/cables in and out for repairs and replacements, so you probably should
consider access more important than some space crunch in the front seat.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bernie" <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: routing of engine controls
>
> Dear List,
>
> I'm thinking of routing my engine controls (tach,oil press &
> temp,mixture,etc) outside fuselage and under the fabric so as to keep the
> front cockpit uncluttered. Is there any reason for not doing this?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> Gloucester, Mass
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: routing of engine controls |
Tom
That is actually a very goo idea. Others have done the same. One
additional suggestion, if you put the wires in a tube under the fabric you
would be able to add a wire in the future for an unknown reason, at this
point.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bernie" <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: routing of engine controls
>
> Dear List,
>
> I'm thinking of routing my engine controls (tach,oil press &
> temp,mixture,etc) outside fuselage and under the fabric so as to keep the
> front cockpit uncluttered. Is there any reason for not doing this?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> Gloucester, Mass
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need technical advice from the pros |
Santiago
When you made the landing gear, how did you compensate for the width
of the fuselage sides?
Did you temporarily add 1/8th inch plywood to the landing gear fitting
area to simulate the width of the sides?
Ken in Austin, almost done with the house (as much as you can ever be
done with an old house) and getting back to the piet (soon)
On Nov 15, 2007 9:01 PM, santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
> We left the plywood sides off until we installed all the controls, throttle
> levers, pedals etc. We even installed the landing gear and varnished the
> interior before gluing the sides (also varnished the plywood sides). I konw
> it is not necessary but this way you can work very comfortably.
> Some photos attached
> Saludos
>
> Santiago
>
>
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| Subject: | routing of engine controls |
I bought a bunch of super magnets about the size of pencil erasers and used
them to pull a nail attached to a thread to pull a wire behind a fiberglas
s headliner in my sailboat. Would certainly work thru fabric. I also have
some oval plastic tube about 1/4" x 1/2" that would be great for routing w
ire thru. Perhaps a couple of channels would be the route to go keep the m
echanical cables away from the wires. I think the tubes came out of some p
ull down blinds. Just my thoughts.
Steve in Maine
> From: flyboy_120@hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: routing of engine controls
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:13:31 -0500
>
>
>
> I hope not because that's the way I did mine and for the same reason. The
> only problem I could see would be replaceing one of them if they were to
> were to go bad but with good quality components that is not likely for a
> long long time. I figure if that were to happen a new one could be run
> inside until the next covering job. Ed G.
>
>
> >From: Tom Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: routing of engine controls
> >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:54:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> >
>
> >
> >Dear List,
> >
> >I'm thinking of routing my engine controls (tach,oil press &
> >temp,mixture,etc) outside fuselage and under the fabric so as to keep th
e
> >front cockpit uncluttered. Is there any reason for not doing this?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Tom Bernie
> >Gloucester, Mass
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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I called about a month ago and they were not offering new plans.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of dlbenham
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:21 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mystery
Jack, Bill, and Skip:
A great big THANKS for all of the information you fellows offered. From
that information, I DEFINITELY have a Grega GN-1. The project has Piper Cub
landing gear, plywood sides runs to end of fuselage, 2 side stringers each
side, all control horns are flat pieces, rudder horn is almost at the bottom
of the rudder, wing spars different sizes. Aileron cables are routed from
front stick up to front spar, then out to pulleys that align with aileron
horns.
Do any of you guys know if the GN-1 has changed the struts from square to
streamlined. I know the square ones will need some type of streamlining
installed, (balsa, foam, etc.) Does Grega's son still offer plans? I have
been on the website, but unless I overlooked it, they are not offered. I
need to contact him directly.
Thanks again for all of the information and help.
Dallas L. Benham
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| Subject: | Leading airfoil shape-- wood vs. metal |
Glenn,
The wing leading edge is the main area where this plywood would be used.
Of course, the wing rib gussets are 1/16" ply, as well.
It could also be used for the cockpit combing, instead of aluminum. From
what I've been told, it's actually a bit lighter than using aluminum,
when you take into account all the screws you don't have to use - but I
haven't bothered to check out the validity of that claim, yet.
As for the offer to deliver to Brodhead, that would be nice - maybe I'll
touch base with you next June, if they still have a good price. Or if
you're willing to pick me up a couple of sheets while you are there on
Monday (I have a friend up here that's also slowly building an Air
Camper who could use the other sheet), I'll pay you for them now, and
collect them next year.
Dave,
I bought my 1/8" and 1/4" ply from Noah's in Toronto. Nice wood at a
good price - especially if you are American (they charge Canadians
higher prices because almost all of their inventory was purchased in
American funds, back when the US buck was worth considerably more than
our "loonie"). But Noah's doesn't carry 1/16" Okoume - 3mm is the
thinnest they have.
As for the duties to get it across the border, that wasn't even taken
into account in the $150 delivery charge. Any applicable duties or taxes
would be added to that. Really, it's all UPS. They have a system in
place that adds a "brokerage fee" to anything they ship across the
border. I remember a few years ago I ordered the set of Tony Bingelis
books from Aircraft Spruce. The total for the four books was $89 US.
Then there was a shipping charge, plus the taxes and duties, plus UPS's
Brokerage fees. As I remember, I had to pay an extra $60 to receive the
books ($40 of which was the brokerage fees). Back then $89 US was worth
something like $135 CDN, so my four books cost me close to $200 - still
worth every penny, though.
Rick,
I guess the "free" health care you're talking about is the same one that
charged me $150 a couple of nights ago for a cast for my son's broken
foot (as well as $5 per hour for parking). I won't bother going into our
Income Tax rates. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the health care
system we have - it's just not really "free".
Bill C.
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Bob:
if you have a moment, and it is convenient, give me a call after 3 Sunday after
2. 623-972-3012
Regards, Richard
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Hello All,
I have a Pietenpol Sky Scout project that I built and will sell for $5,000.
Fuselage is built and on the gear.
Tail surfaces are completed but not covered.
Spoked wheels and tires per original plans using fabricated 4130-steel hubs.
Tail skid.
Model-A engine is mounted but engine needs overhaul and conversion.
Scimitar prop.
Ribs are completed.
I have spars.
I have a picture if anyone is interested. Excellent workmanship. I could
also finish it for someone.
Thanks,
Russ Lassetter
Cleveland, GA
rblassett@alltel.net
706-348-7514
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| Subject: | need technical advice from the pros |
Did you temporarily add 1/8th inch plywood to the landing gear fitting
area to simulate the width of the sides?
Yes Ken, that is exactly what we did. You can see it better in the photo.
By the way, when building the landing gear we used the method described by Chris Tracy on www.westcoastpiet.com Really easy and accurate!
Saludos
Santiago
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