---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/17/07: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:28 AM - Engine pre-heat (Gene & Tammy) 2. 05:48 AM - Re: Engine pre-heat (del magsam) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: Engine pre-heat (Richard Schreiber) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Engine pre-heat (Gene & Tammy) 5. 07:24 AM - Re: Mystery (dlbenham) 6. 08:21 AM - Re: Mystery (Arden Adamson) 7. 09:02 AM - streamline strut fairings (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 11:50 AM - Re: Mystery (DJ Vegh) 9. 12:54 PM - Re: Engine pre-heat (AzevedoFlyer@aol.com) 10. 05:11 PM - Turtle deck bulkhead (Ryan Michals) 11. 05:52 PM - Re recent building questions (Graham & Robin Hewitt) 12. 07:55 PM - Re: Turtle deck bulkhead (jimboyer@hughes.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:34 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine pre-heat Now that it's getting down to freezing at night I'm wondering what the rest of you are using for an engine pre-heater? My airport manager has a fit if I use my gas fed pre-heater so I'm starting to look around for a simple electric one. Something I could leave on over night so I can make my early morning flights that I live for. Cold weather flying rules! Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:54 AM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine pre-heat attach a metal snout to a milkhouse or similar electric heater, put a handle on top that you can hang from the prop and stick the snout into the oil cooler hole under the prop, and put an old sleeping bag over the whole thing to direct (recirculate) the exit air from the cowl back into the heater. takes about 1/2 hr to heat it up. Del Gene & Tammy wrote: Now that it's getting down to freezing at night I'm wondering what the rest of you are using for an engine pre-heater? My airport manager has a fit if I use my gas fed pre-heater so I'm starting to look around for a simple electric one. Something I could leave on over night so I can make my early morning flights that I live for. Cold weather flying rules! Gene N502R Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:09 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine pre-heat Gene, I used to use the heating element out of an old electric clothes drier with flexible aluminum ducting, then I went to a small space heater. Now I use a couple of cheap hand held hair driers that I got from Wal-Mart. I got this tip from my hanger mate who has a glasAir. I think they are 1800 watts and propably cost about $9 each. I cover the cowl with and old blanket to keep the heat in. The hair driers are on a timer, so if I plan on going flying in the morning, I just plug them in the night before. I let them run for about 1 to 1.5 hours depending on the outside temps. Rick N5936D ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: 11/17/2007 7:32:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine pre-heat Now that it's getting down to freezing at night I'm wondering what the rest of you are using for an engine pre-heater? My airport manager has a fit if I use my gas fed pre-heater so I'm starting to look around for a simple electric one. Something I could leave on over night so I can make my early morning flights that I live for. Cold weather flying rules! Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:58 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine pre-heat Del, thanks for the info. I had considered using a heat gun attached to a dryer vent metal hose but not sure the heat gun would last. Won't take much more to make a shroud for a milkhouse heater. Thanks Gene : ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:06 AM PST US From: "dlbenham" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Hi to the group again: Since the GN-1 plans are not available does anyone on the list have a set used or unused, or know of anyone who might have a set they would loan or sell? Thanks Dallas L. Benham ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Mystery From: "Arden Adamson" I have a set to sell. call me at home 715-258-4238 Arden Adamson ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of dlbenham Sent: Sat 11/17/2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Hi to the group again: Since the GN-1 plans are not available does anyone on the list have a set used or unused, or know of anyone who might have a set they would loan or sell? Thanks Dallas L. Benham ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:48 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: streamline strut fairings If you have square or round tubes that you want to streamline, there is an inexpensive way... the ultralight guys use extruded plastic slip-on streamline fairings that would work and be a lot less trouble than shaping blocks of balsa. You can see them at http://www.ultralightnews.ca/streamlinedfairings/1.html for example, but I wouldn't get them from that website necessarily. I think Carlson Aircraft ("Skytek") sells them. A higher-cost alternative are the slip-on aluminum extrusions that fit over square tubing, also from Carlson, but then you essentially double your weight because the aluminum struts are structurally adequate themselves. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:18 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mystery for GN-1 plans please reply to me off list at dj (at) veghdesign.com I may be able to help ----- Original Message ----- From: dlbenham To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mystery Hi to the group again: Since the GN-1 plans are not available does anyone on the list have a set used or unused, or know of anyone who might have a set they would loan or sell? Thanks Dallas L. Benham ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:44 PM PST US From: AzevedoFlyer@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine pre-heat Gene, I use a small ceramic space heater with a fan. A $12 - $15 job bought at Lowe's. What I do differently is to hang it on the cowling cooling inlet. The proverbial blanket goes on top. Thus, in my case, the hot air stream flows the opposite of many recommendations. Top to bottom. Most heat from the bottom thinking warm air waft upwards, right? Well, if the engine is stone cold, heating it from top will cool the warm air and it will naturally sink.This pulls in the warm air which gets cold etc. Unless you have a powerful blow, heating from bellow the air gets cold in contact with metal and sinks back against the incoming stream. Think about it. I get my O-320 warm to the touch in 20 minutes or so, about the time for a thorough check of the old bird. Cheers, Miguel ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:03 PM PST US From: Ryan Michals Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle deck bulkhead What is the general consensus on the turtle deck bulkhead, aft of the cross strut or forward of the cross strut and flush with the pilots seat back? It looks like the "last original's" turtle deck bulk head is aft of the cross strut although I see other have decided to do it differently. Ryan Michaels --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:56 PM PST US From: "Graham & Robin Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re recent building questions Hi all here are some views on recent building questions. Re gluing ply sides on fuse, strongly recommend leaving these off till the very last; also leave off the firewall ply. Suggest screwing on a dummy bulkhead, in fact if you make this very square & accurate it will keep everything square up front while gluing sides together. I have had a strong recommendation not to cover any structure with either ply or fabric until the A/c is assembled, rigged, fuel is in tank & you are ready to fly. This will enable you to check all control runs, bracing cables electrical wiring, even a check for fuel leaks under tanks & plumbing etc. You may find that some adjusting or modifying is reqd in order to clear structure from something that moves, this essential step could be very difficult if the structure is covered. Then dismantle,glue on sides & fire wall, cover, & paint. Re questions on gluing on ribs to spars,suggest making an accurate template out of ply or wood to the exact inside measurement of the rib verticals. Lightly sand the spar until the template slides on with slight friction, Slide on ribs to within =BD inch of final position, coat spar with glue then move rib to correct position, if you use a liquid type of glue like West Systems 105 you can wick in more glue. Some questions re alignment of tail structure, suggest having an accurate centre line on all members; make sure that all is in line; glue then taper after it is set. If you find the routed Tee beams difficult then consider making them out of two pieces glued together. I found that the diagonal beam on the tail plane fouled the nut on the outer elevator hinge, I had to relocate the beam to clear this nut by moving it at the tip end. I am just over half way with my Piet & have asked a thousand questions of others. I have leaned on Peter Johnson=92s Web heavily & have followed his steps closely, it really is just fantastic see HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"www.cpc-world.com Cheers & Good Luck Graham Hewitt the 79 year old ex DC3 driver 17/11/2007 2:55 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:10 PM PST US From: "jimboyer@hughes.net" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle deck bulkhead Hi Ryan, I put mine behind the cross brace as it gives another inch of room. If you sit in the fuselage you will see the instrument panel is close and every little bit of room helps I think. 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