Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 11/26/07


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     0. 12:06 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec 1! (Matt Dralle)
     1. 03:32 AM - Re: Re: A-65 Exhaust (Gene & Tammy)
     2. 03:45 AM - Re: Fittings (John B Franklin Jr)
     3. 05:20 AM - Re: Fittings (MikeD)
     4. 06:04 AM - Fittings (Oscar Zuniga)
     5. 06:41 AM - CFI in Texas (Stan Amyett)
     6. 07:11 AM - Re: CFI in Texas do not archive (Tim Willis)
     7. 07:35 AM - prop for A-75 (Oscar Zuniga)
     8. 08:09 AM - CFI in Texas (Oscar Zuniga)
     9. 08:44 AM - Metal Material List (Ryan Michals)
    10. 10:23 AM - Re: Fittings (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
    11. 11:56 AM - Re: Fittings (carson)
    12. 12:08 PM - Re: Fittings (MikeD)
    13. 02:26 PM - CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (jimd)
    14. 02:42 PM - Long fuse and steel (MikeD)
    15. 02:53 PM - Rib Location (Richard Schreiber)
    16. 04:35 PM - Re: Long fuse and steel (emtyit@3web.com)
    17. 04:46 PM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Perry Rhoads)
    18. 05:13 PM - Firewall Design (John Egan)
    19. 06:22 PM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Don Emch)
    20. 06:43 PM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (jimd)
    21. 06:54 PM - Re: Magneto Adaptor (Chet's Mail)
    22. 07:35 PM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Gordon Bowen)
    23. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Brian Kraut)
    24. 08:37 PM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Skip Gadd)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:06:28 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published
    Dec 1! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore CA 94551-0347 USA (Please include your email address on the check!) I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 03:32:13 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: A-65 Exhaust
    Steve, I used 1-1/2" pipe (bought the continental stainless flanges from wicks) and the Heat Muff is on page 145, Part # EC100-020. When you look at the picture it looks like the muff is one solid piece. It's not. You can open it up and wrap it around the pipe and then close it back up and secure it with hose clamps. It could even be overlapped for smaller pipe. I'll get some photos in the next day or two and forward them. Had a chance this weekend to try out my pre-heater (heatgun attached to a 3" dia. expandable metal duct). The outside temp was 27 degrees and in about an hour the engine was warm and ready to start. I'm a happy camper! Gene


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    Time: 03:45:26 AM PST US
    From: John B Franklin Jr <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
    Subject: Re: Fittings
    Mike, I used the E-Machineshop.com drawing program to draw the spar fittings for my GN-1 since there are multiple copies of them and that lends itself to "mass" production. I didn't want to use E-Machineshop for the fab work because of the cost and lead time, however. What surprised me after drawing the parts was that E-Machineshop will let you store the created files as AutoCad drawings, although the caveat is that there are no dimensions shown. I then used AutoCad to add the dimensions (with assistance since I'm not AutoCad fluent). I found a company here in Houston that used waterjet to cut out the 16 spar brackets for the GN-1 for about $120. They are very precise and it's fun to see aircraft steel cut with water! BTW, I had previously thought you could get machine shops to build just from the AutoCad data files, but the ones I talked to insisted on also having a dimensioned paper drawing, which is why I had to add the dimensions. I've always wondered why someone doesn't offer all the bracket drawings in AutoCad format, perhaps they do for the Pietenpol, but I couldn't find any for the GN-1. One more thing, looking back on the project there are many brackets that just aren't worth drawing on AutoCad because they can be easily fabricated out of strap material, plus you will have to "adjust" them for a custom fit anyway! Regards, John F. GN-1 Aircamper Corvair 164cid Richmond, TX > > > ________________________________________


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    Time: 05:20:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fittings
    From: "MikeD" <mjdt@auracom.com>
    [quote="jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com"]Mike, I used the E-Machineshop.com drawing program to draw the spar fittings for my GN-1 since there are multiple copies of them and that lends itself to "mass" production. I didn't want to use E-Machineshop for the fab work because of the cost and lead time, however. What surprised me after drawing the parts was that E-Machineshop will let you store the created files as AutoCad drawings, although the caveat is that there are no dimensions shown. I then used AutoCad to add the dimensions (with assistance since I'm not AutoCad fluent). I found a company here in Houston that used waterjet to cut out the 16 spar brackets for the GN-1 for about $120. They are very precise and it's fun to see aircraft steel cut with water! BTW, I had previously thought you could get machine shops to build just from the AutoCad data files, but the ones I talked to insisted on also having a dimensioned paper drawing, which is why I had to add the dimensions. I've always wondered why someone doesn't offer all the bracket drawings in AutoCad format, perhaps they do for the Pietenpol, but I couldn't find any for the GN-1. One more thing, looking back on the project there are many brackets that just aren't worth drawing on AutoCad because they can be easily fabricated out of strap material, plus you will have to "adjust" them for a custom fit anyway! Regards, John F. GN-1 Aircamper Corvair 164cid Richmond, TX [quote] Having dealt with a few machine shops in my day gigs, I believe the main reason is to have something to cross-check to, as it is not unheard of to have discrepancies. I used to sketch parts I wanted on paper, or do simple AutoCAD drawings, then hand them over to the mechanical designed to turn into finished drawings, as he worked about 17 times faster than me. But sometimes despite our best efforts there would be something critical missing. One poster mentioned having the parts done at emachineshop was economical, but one man's economical may be another mans "holy tarnation that's pricey!". I intend to draw all the parts on AutoCAD anyway, although perhaps the odd hole may be left out for final custom fitting as you say. TBD! I haven;t watched water jet cutting, but my first chance to see alser cutting live was a shop that had a 1500W Co2 laser, and a cutting machine with an 8' by 16' platen..! It sliced through 1/4" steel plate at a frightening rate. Very impressive. Cheers, Mike D. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148594#148594


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    Time: 06:04:03 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Fittings
    MikeD; I believe DJ Vegh had his fittings cut by emachineshop, but he was building a GN-1, not a Pietenpol, and also used some aluminum here and there in lie u of steel. His website is rich with photos. I don't believe I've seen or heard of anyone else on the list using emachin eshop so I don't know if they would have the CAD files in hand. My guess i s that you would have to get the files from the owner and supply them to em achineshop directly.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.co mwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 06:41:44 AM PST US
    Subject: CFI in Texas
    From: "Stan Amyett" <stan.amyett.qdr0@statefarm.com>
    Does anyone know of a CFI in Central Texas that is current in Pietenpols or at least has fairly recent Pietenpol time? If so, please send their name, phone number and/or e-mail address to me. Thanks, Stan Cell 325-456-3105 sbamyett@yahoo.com


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    Time: 07:11:51 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: CFI in Texas do not archive
    Stan, I'd sure like that info myself. Or if anyone knows of central TX CFIs with their own, or access to, instructional taildraggers. Where are you located? I am in Georgetown, 20 miles north of Austin. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Stan Amyett <stan.amyett.qdr0@statefarm.com> >Sent: Nov 26, 2007 8:40 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: CFI in Texas > >Does anyone know of a CFI in Central Texas that is current in Pietenpols >or at least has fairly recent Pietenpol time? >If so, please send their name, phone number and/or e-mail address to me. >Thanks, Stan >Cell 325-456-3105 sbamyett@yahoo.com > >


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    Time: 07:35:14 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: prop for A-75
    >From the archives, more than you ever wanted to know about picking a prop for your A75 Piet. And Chuck Gantzer followed up with a post that recommended checking your mechanical tach with a digital/optical one, which turned out to be a good recommendation in my case because my mechanical tach reads 200 RPM high at cruise and I was under-utilizing the engine. I run a Hegy 72x42 on the A65 on 41CC. ============================ In a message dated 9/23/2006 9:21:49 AM Central Standard Time, Andimaxd(at)aol.com writes: Hey guys, I have become a lurker, but, I need some feedback from you guys on props. I have a prop off of a 65hp Aeronica mounted to my A-75 piet. I'm developing 2300-2400 rpm's. I was curious what others are using with their piets with A-75's and what kind of number they're getting. I was visiting with Jim Markle and he dug this up for me: An A-75 is merely an A-65 that is rated at a higher rpm. The pistons are different and the rods are drilled for extra cooling of piston skirt at the higher rpm. The carb has a slightly larger venturi and different jetting. The motor is timed slightly different. The prop is the only thing that actually makes a difference in performance; the other changes are only for longevity at higher rpm. A65 is rated at 2300,2150 cruise. A75 is rated at 2650,2300 cruise. The extra rpm is the only thing increasing horsepower: if your prop is not allowing the motor to wind up to proper rpm you simply have an A65. If you have an A65 that turns 23-2400 in a climb you have the performance of an A75. There was a C-75 which was a slow running version of C-85, but A65 to A75 conversions are much more common. A75 prop generally would be slightly less diameter and 2-3 inches less pitch than A65, but generally rpm is the only big change. With proper prop A75 will climb slightly better and cruise about same as A65, but at higher rpm.With an A65 prop an A75 will climb exactly the same(because it is the same!) but you could cruise at 2300 which would be several mph faster. Regardless, in the real world the weight of the airplane will make more difference than A65 vs. A75. In my opinion a metal prop is far superior to wood in thrust. Wood has less inertia and better throttle response, but metal definitely performs better. I like an A65 to turn about 2300 in 75 mph climb. [I think he must have meant an A75 should perform like this, not an A65! -OZ] That means about 25-2600 straight and level. Cruise about 2250 and you are still less than 75% at cruise. P. S. There was no C65 only A65's .A series was A40,A50, A65,A75,and A80. C series had slightly more displacement(188 cu .in. vs 173 cu. in.). C series was C75,C85 at 188 cu.in.and C90 at 200 cu .in. All that being said, I would like some exact performance numbers, prop numbers and manufactures, so I'll know what to start looking for. Currently I have a Univar 72 X 42, and according to the above I've got a 65hp engine on my aero plane. NX101XW is a little on the heavy side and so is the pilot, so I would like all of the potential climb that I can get (Without going to an O-200 or something!). I think I would like to stick with a wooden prop, unless there is just a huge amount of additional thrust/climb from metal. Well, let me know what you guys think, hell, maybe I should just stick with what I've got. It (engine) would be de-rated and should last longer? Any comments/help is greatly appreciated and as usual, thanks in advance, later. Max Davis Arlington, TX. NX101XW (Reserved) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 08:09:51 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: CFI in Texas
    Can't help you too much if you're in the Abilene/San Angelo area but if you were down a little farther south I'd recommend my CFI. He has plenty of time in my Piet and will soon have it in his care for a couple of months while I move another project to the hangar. If you wouldn't mind coming down here to get instruction I'm sure old Charlie could help you out. do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 08:44:04 AM PST US
    From: Ryan Michals <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Metal Material List
    List, I need to order some 4130 flat metal. Could anyone share with me in what quantities of each size they ordered. I've been to Peter's site and found the itemized list of each fitting, but no raw quantities, nor was I able to find anything in the archives. Thank You; Ryan Michalkiewicz --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.


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    Time: 10:23:40 AM PST US
    From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fittings
    In further information....emachineshop will not let anyone use someone else file either. If you wanted a copy of say DJ Vegh parts, not available. Only DJ can order another set and then he can sell them if he wants. So, one draw back is if we all had established the best auto-cad drawing with the agreed upon dimensions, we could not have them produced in quantity at emachineshop. Maybe, just maybe someone can do a small say 5 set run of some parts (Ken Perkins) but finding them at a reasonable cost will be the issue. Ken Heide Fargo, ND Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } MikeD; I believe DJ Vegh had his fittings cut by emachineshop, but he was building a GN-1, not a Pietenpol, and also used some aluminum here and there in lieu of steel. His website is rich with photos. I don't believe I've seen or heard of anyone else on the list using emachineshop so I don't know if they would have the CAD files in hand. My guess is that you would have to get the files from the owner and supply them to emachineshop directly. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.


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    Time: 11:56:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fittings
    From: "carson" <carsonvella@yahoo.com.au>
    Mike After reading your post I emailed emachine shop and they replied that if you have the order number of the previous customer they can email the drawings and you can choose the parts you want. So if someone has used them and is kind enough to post their order number you are on your way. Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148651#148651


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    Time: 12:08:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fittings
    From: "MikeD" <mjdt@auracom.com>
    carson wrote: > Mike > After reading your post I emailed emachine shop and they replied that if you have the order number of the previous customer they can email the drawings and you can choose the parts you want. > So if someone has used them and is kind enough to post their order number you are on your way. > Carson Cool, thank you very much! Lemme think on this one. I can CAD the parts pretty quickly (I have AutoCAD and am pretty good at 2D drawings at least, forget 3D..). Mike D. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148652#148652


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    Time: 02:26:37 PM PST US
    Subject: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
    Any of you guys have same problem I am having? Found quite a few taildragger CFI's. However, haven't been able to find anything in the way of taildragger rental planes. I am in Kansas City area and need to get my BFR and start getting back up to speed flying something with a tailwheel. There is an aerobatics school with Pitts, but its very pricey. Any good deals on tailwheel rentals? I might travel and spend a week somewhere or something. Have a while till my biplane GN-1 is done, but checking in to it has suprised me. Checked EAA site, found CFI's, all said same thing.. you have a plane? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148664#148664


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    Time: 02:42:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Long fuse and steel
    From: "MikeD" <mjdt@auracom.com>
    Do any kind of approved/official drawings exist for the long fuselage version in steel tubing? We (co-owner and I) were told by Don Pietenpol that their is no such a drawing from them. Our version will use an A-75 and wood prop and likely a front cockpit door for those of us challenged in the flexibility department :( Thx Mike D. -------- Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148667#148667


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    Time: 02:53:36 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Rib Location
    I'm starting my wings for my winter project and I had a question about the rib locations. The supplemantal plans show the Flying Strut Fittings longer than the 1934 plans so that the fittings will be in line with the wing struts. My calculations show that the 7th rib in form the wigtip will have the rib upright right over the fitting and its plywood base. What has everyone done about this? Move the rib outboard to clear the fitting? Cut the rib vertical and the gussets to clear the fitting? I getting ready to cut and weld the fittings and I sure don't want to do this twice. Thanks, Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN Richard Schreiber lmforge@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.


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    Time: 04:35:35 PM PST US
    From: emtyit@3web.com
    Subject: Re: Long fuse and steel
    Go to http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk The steel fuse is quite common there. > > Do any kind of approved/official drawings exist for the long fuselage version > in steel tubing? We (co-owner and I) were told by Don Pietenpol that their is > no such a drawing from them. Our version will use an A-75 and wood prop and > likely a front cockpit door for those of us challenged in the flexibility > department :( > > Thx > > Mike D. > > -------- > Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summer > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148667#148667 > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3webLD gives you the lowest long distance rates out there...Canada calling as low as 2 cents/min...U.S. as low as 4 cents/min...visit www.get3web.com for details


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    Time: 04:46:19 PM PST US
    From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    Jim, If you're willing to travel for a few days flying, check out the J-3 Cub instruction article in the latest Sport Aviation magazine being offered in Hartford, WI. The article said J-3 solo was $65.00 per hour and the instructor can't be much more than an extra $30-40. over that. Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? > > Any of you guys have same problem I am having? Found quite a few > taildragger CFI's. However, haven't been able to find anything in the way > of taildragger rental planes. I am in Kansas City area and need to get my > BFR and start getting back up to speed flying something with a tailwheel. > There is an aerobatics school with Pitts, but its very pricey. > > Any good deals on tailwheel rentals? I might travel and spend a week > somewhere or something. > > Have a while till my biplane GN-1 is done, but checking in to it has > suprised me. > > Checked EAA site, found CFI's, all said same thing.. you have a plane? > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148664#148664 > > > -- > 11/24/2007 5:58 PM > >


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    Time: 05:13:24 PM PST US
    From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Firewall Design
    Hello Group, Do you guys have thoughts regarding the firewall design, specifically what type and gage stainless to use and if it is best to bend a flange around the perimeter of the firewall to use it as a method to attach the upper portion of the engine cowling? Also, is it acceptable to cut an access hole in the 1/8" plywood firewall so a person can reach in there to work inside the fuselage until the sheetmetal firewall goes on? I appreciate your thoughts. john e. wisconsin Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


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    Time: 06:22:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Jim, If you have the need to be in eastern Ohio, there is Barber Airport with a Taylorcraft for about $65.00 an hour and a Decathalon at about $95.00 an hour. Instruction is probably about $30.00. Check ; www.barberaircraft.com Just up the road is Salem Airport with a Citabria at $85.00 and a Decathalon at $100.00. Instruction I believe is $22.00. The Decathalon with instructor will teach aerobatics, especially spins. These folks at Salem are truly fantastic people! The family has put their entire lives into this airport. Check; http://www.salemairpark.com/aviation.asp Anyway I guess you'd have to stay for a couple of days, but you could gain quite a bit in such a short time. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148701#148701


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    Time: 06:43:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com>
    Hi, Saw the latest sport aviation. Just didn't think it would come to traveling across country to get in some flying time in a "conventional" gear plane. Its been quite a while since I was current flying, but.. I remember renting an Aeronca Champ wet for $12 an hour. Instructors were about $10. Had a frat brother that would instruct for $7... Now a $100 an hour is supposed to be good? I am 45, that was not that incredibly long ago. There are a lot of tail draggers around, our local EAA guys alone have dozens, but heard the insurance for renting a tail dragger out is something crazy like $6000 a year. If thats true, makes sense why its hard to find them. (Course you can't rent out homebuilts, and saw that the one exception expired.) Jim [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148703#148703


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    Time: 06:54:21 PM PST US
    From: "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: Magneto Adaptor
    Walt Evans I would love to have the phone number. Chet Hartley ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto Adaptor Chet, My Mentor designed and built an adapter, with Mag, that he sells. (and he's not in it for the money.) If interested, I'll give you his phone # walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Chet's Mail To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto Adaptor Model A engine fellows, I'm looking for drawings and phots of magneto adaptors for the model A engine ignation system. Chet Hartley MO N920Y href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 07:35:00 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    Jim, It comes down to insurance and lawyers. Have CFI/AP buddy in FL who bought Aeronca just for the purpose of tailwheel training work, because of problems you mentioned. His insurance cost a small fortune. Best bet is take a short couple week vacation to FL and get your BFR and rating, there are serveral options in FL including my buddy CFI. Even here in AK, where there's more taildraggers per capita than anywhere in the world, we have very few options with the flight schools and taildragger ratings. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimd" <jlducey@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? > > Any of you guys have same problem I am having? Found quite a few > taildragger CFI's. However, haven't been able to find anything in the way > of taildragger rental planes. I am in Kansas City area and need to get my > BFR and start getting back up to speed flying something with a tailwheel. > There is an aerobatics school with Pitts, but its very pricey. > > Any good deals on tailwheel rentals? I might travel and spend a week > somewhere or something. > > Have a while till my biplane GN-1 is done, but checking in to it has > suprised me. > > Checked EAA site, found CFI's, all said same thing.. you have a plane? > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148664#148664 > > >


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    Time: 08:28:46 PM PST US
    From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
    Subject: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    Usually the best way to find a good local tailwheel instructor is by word of mouth. There are a few very good ones by me that I know, but none of them advertise or do instruction for their primary job. One of them owns the local banner towing company. One other flies corporate jets for a living and does TW instruction on the side in his father's Citabria. I found the one with the Citabria by calling the local EAA flight advisor. Also check for some LSA instructors in your area. A lot of those are tailwheel. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jimd Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? Hi, Saw the latest sport aviation. Just didn't think it would come to traveling across country to get in some flying time in a "conventional" gear plane. Its been quite a while since I was current flying, but.. I remember renting an Aeronca Champ wet for $12 an hour. Instructors were about $10. Had a frat brother that would instruct for $7... Now a $100 an hour is supposed to be good? I am 45, that was not that incredibly long ago. There are a lot of tail draggers around, our local EAA guys alone have dozens, but heard the insurance for renting a tail dragger out is something crazy like $6000 a year. If thats true, makes sense why its hard to find them. (Course you can't rent out homebuilts, and saw that the one exception expired.) Jim [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148703#148703


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    Time: 08:37:55 PM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them?
    Jim, This may be a little far for you but it is a great place. Red Stewart Field in Waynesville OH. Cub or Champ $52/hour Instructor $30/hour. Check out the history, Red Stewart was quite a pilot. The only kicker is you can't solo, only fly with an instructor, unless you have renters hull insurance. http://www.stewartsaircraft.net/ Skip > [Original Message] > From: jimd <jlducey@hotmail.com> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Date: 11/26/2007 5:30:37 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? > > > Any of you guys have same problem I am having? Found quite a few taildragger CFI's. However, haven't been able to find anything in the way of taildragger rental planes. I am in Kansas City area and need to get my BFR and start getting back up to speed flying something with a tailwheel. There is an aerobatics school with Pitts, but its very pricey. > > Any good deals on tailwheel rentals? I might travel and spend a week somewhere or something. > > Have a while till my biplane GN-1 is done, but checking in to it has suprised me. > > Checked EAA site, found CFI's, all said same thing.. you have a plane? > > Jim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148664#148664 > >




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