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0. 12:33 AM - Wow! A Ton of Comments! (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:02 AM - Re: Emailing: airplane 011 ()
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Rib Location (Tim Willis)
3. 05:44 AM - Re: Emailing: airplane 011 (Gene & Tammy)
4. 06:06 AM - Radio (Gene & Tammy)
5. 06:13 AM - Need help on added structures for steps and seatbelts (Tim Willis)
6. 07:05 AM - Re: Rib Location (Richard Schreiber)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Radio ()
8. 09:00 AM - Re: Radio (Phillips, Jack)
9. 09:49 AM - Re: Radio (Russell Lassetter)
10. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Patrick Panzera)
11. 10:29 AM - Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (jimd)
12. 10:38 AM - Cessna LSA (HelsperSew@aol.com)
13. 12:06 PM - Re: Cessna LSA (Rick Holland)
14. 12:07 PM - Re: Radio (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
15. 12:33 PM - Re: Radio (Phillips, Jack)
16. 01:12 PM - Re: Radio (Dave Abramson)
17. 01:38 PM - final rigging (RBush96589@aol.com)
18. 01:52 PM - Re: final rigging (Phillips, Jack)
19. 02:46 PM - Re: final rigging (walt evans)
20. 03:49 PM - Worth saying again (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
21. 04:42 PM - Re: Worth saying again (walt evans)
22. 05:28 PM - Re: Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? (Gene & Tammy)
23. 06:16 PM - Texas Taildragger (Oscar Zuniga)
24. 06:49 PM - Re: Need help on added structures for steps and seatbelts (Ben Charvet)
25. 07:14 PM - Re: Texas Taildragger (Gene & Tammy)
26. 07:27 PM - Re: meeting Jim Markle (Javier Cruz)
27. 07:57 PM - Re: Need help on added structures for steps and seatbelts (Russell Lassetter)
28. 10:09 PM - Re: Rib Location (Rcaprd@aol.com)
29. 10:13 PM - Re: Radio (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
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| Subject: | Emailing: airplane 011 |
That is really nice work,she's a real beauty!
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: November 27, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Emailing: airplane 011
Steve,
Managed to get some great flying in today and while I was at it I took
some photo's of my exhaust. Hope this gives you some idea of how they
look.
Gene in Tennessee
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Location |
Chuck,
Thanks for the detail on wing construction. That is very helpful. On your website
you also show some little balsa pieces, gussets of a sort, on the spar on
each side of the ribs. I believe you stated this was to add gluing surface.
Whether I have that right or not, what is this about? Would you do it again
and also recommend it to others?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rcaprd@aol.com
>Sent: Nov 27, 2007 10:25 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Location
>
>Here are the notes that I made when I was building my wing, on how I would do
>it a little differently:
>
>Here is how I built my one piece wing:
>I used T88 exclusively, and Ace Spar Varnish #16375. The most tedious part,
>was applying 2 coats of the spar varnish, after ALL construction was 100%
>complete, getting in every nook & cranny between the gussets, with a small paint
>brush. I used the 'Single Wrap Spiral' method, as called out in the AC 43-13,
>to saftey all the turnbuckles. I used torque seal (small squeeze tube of
>thick laquer paint) on all hardware and fittings, so future inspections will show
>any movement. I used Stits Covering method, with 2.7oz on the wing&
>fuselage, and 1.8oz on the ailerons and empenage.
>The ribs will now be referred to as L1'- Left 1st rib. R1' - Right 1st
>rib. There are 14 ribs on each side. The center rib will be referred to as
>C'.
>Build new rib jig, so that the gussets and the upright x next to the
>spars, are spaced 28 1/16" to 28 1/8" apart. This should be the exact dimention
>between the spars, with the exception of the 3 center ribs, and the outboard
>ribs where the struts attach. These locations have 1/8" plywood doublers on
>each side of the spar.
>Leave the gussets off in 2 locations. On the lower forward side of the
>front spar, and on the aft upper side of the aft spar. Install these gussets
>after the ribs have been assembled to the spars. This will ensure a nice tight
>fit.
>Other gussets to be left off are on the ribs at the inboard aileron station.
> On this rib, leave the outboard (trailing edge) gusset off, for the later
>installation of the aileron blank plywood (1/16"). I did not cut the ailerons
>free, untill ALL wing construction was 100% complete, including the aileron
>spars, braces, hinges, horns, cables & pulleys, and drag / anti-drag cables were
>installed. After removing the aileron, I removed the fittings, so as to
>apply varnish underneith, as I did with all fittings.
>The center section of the wing, forward of the front spar, is designed so as
>to allow the top of the radiator to be within the wing. Two 1/8" plywood L.E.
>ribs, are spaced evenly between, and paralell to, R1 and L1. These ribs
>will accept the 1/16" plywood L.E. (on top), and the 1/32" plywood (within the
>radiator cavity).
>Hinges are numbered 1 thru 6, beginning on the left wing tip.
>Lots of places on the wing needed to be drilled using Granpap's hand crank
>drill (chordless !!), because of clearance reasons.
>Cable guide blocks were numbered 1 thru 8, starting at the top left. I glued
>1/4" plywood to the spar, then screwed the guide blocks to the plywood, so as
>not to drill any extra holes in the spars.
>Jury strut C/L is 37" outboard of C/L of cabane strut attachments. I
>estimated the placement of the jury strut attachments by referring to the picture
of
>the Pietenpol on the 1999 I A M Union Calender.
>The 1/8" Plywood doublers, located at the center section and the lift strut
>attachments, should have Spaded Ends (football shaped). These doublers bring
>the width of the spar to the plans width of 1", and allow the plans dimentions
>to be used for all the fittings.
>The ribs were weighted, without varnish, and the heaviest ones were installed
>inboard, progressively installing the lighter ones toward the wingips. The
>two inboard ribs are the only ones that are made out of Spruce, the rest of the
>ribs are made out of Western Cedar.
>LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE
>1.) 7.24 oz Spruce 1.) 7.4 oz Spruce
>2.) 7.8 oz All other ribs are Cedar 2.) 7.96 oz All other ribs are Cedar
>3.) 7.91 oz 3.) 7.93 oz
>4.) 7.5 oz 4.) 7.91 oz
>5.) 6.58 oz 5.) 6.56 oz
>6.) 7.94 oz 6.) 6.34 oz
>7.) 6.4 oz 7.) 6.44 oz
>8.) 7.93 oz 8.) 6.4 oz
>9.) 6.44 oz 9.) 6.3 oz
>10.) 6.34 oz 10.) 6.25 oz
>11.) 6.29 oz 11.) 6.2 oz
>12.) 6.22 oz 12.) 6.17 oz
>13.) 6.15 oz 13.) 6.14 oz
>14.) 6.1 oz 14.) 6.09 oz
>
> All ribs are identical. Build the rib jig to accept 3/4" spars, and so that
>the gussets and the upright x next to the spars, are spaced 28 1/16" to
>28 1/8" apart. This should be the exact dimention between the spars, with the
>exception of the 3 center ribs, and the ribs where the lift struts attach.
>These rib locations have 1/8" plywood doublers on front and aft sides of each
>spar, and will have to have 1" spar openings.
>This step was for the Ford Model A Radiator - The center section of my wing
>(forward of the front spar), is designed so as to allow the top of the radiator
>tank to be within the wing, behind the leading edge. Two 1/8" plywood L.E.
>ribs, are spaced evenly between, and paralell to, R1 and L1. These sub ribs
>will accept the 1/16" plywood L.E. (on top), and the 1/32" plywood (within the
>radiator cavity). The radiator was custom made, to be the width between the
>cabane struts, and I have forward view below the radiator.
>Plans type, barn door hinges are numbered 1 thru 6, beginning on the left
>wing tip. The aileron gap was sealed with a piece of 2" fabric tape, before
>paint was applied. I also made sealed gap hinges on the empenage, but used a
>different method, due to the Vi Kapler hinges, that pivot at the center. I have
>pictures of this scanned in, if anyone is interested.
>Lots of places on the wing needed to be drilled using Granpap's hand crank
>drill (chordless !!), because of clearance reasons.
>
>Chuck G.
>NX770CG
>_http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: airplane 011 |
Ken & Harvey,
Thanks for the kind words. The builder used a Piper Nose Cowl and
formed the aluminum sheets around it.
Gene
N502R
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Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it
for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of
jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using
is fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side
the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect..
There really isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
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| Subject: | Need help on added structures for steps and seatbelts |
I am planning right now to add some things not on the plans-- seatbelts and steps.
I need some help to get it right and hold down the weight.
I need to put attach points for each near the pilot seatback. Obviously I need
to clear bellcranks, pulleys, cables, and make sure that neither slack nor taut
seatbelts foul these, as well. I want to use whatever weight and beefing up
I add to secure or accomodate my 250 pounds plus some Gs, as efficiently as
possible. Here's where I am coming from.
First the step: I have plans (from Bill Rewey, as I recall) for a steel tube out
the port side as a pilot step. It incorporates a step more or less at the
juncture of the pilot seat bottom and seat back. As you might guess, the fuze
side is the fulcrum on a first class lever, so that the steel tube comes inward
as far or farther than the step extends outside the fuze. A steel strap on
the inboard end of the tube ties it down to wooden structure THAT I DON'T HAVE
YET.
Re the seatbelts: Since I will be adding some structure for the step, if I can
safely clear the interim bellcrank, rudder pulleys and cables, and seatbelts
themselves, I'd like to use this added structure for seatbelt attachment hardpoints
as well. I have saved some pix of others' seatbelt attachment hardware,
but cannot make sense of them now. Some seem to come from the UK and some from
westcoastpiet, but they don't seem to show what I am looking for. (The UK
stuff seems mostly passenger shoulder harness, and overkill for that app, and
the westcoastpiet material I have looks like good stuff for pilot shoulder harness
attach points.) Nothing on seatbelt attach points per se. If you have any
pix of yours or others you like, pls let me know. Words alone often work well
with me, too, but words and pix are best.
Lastly will I need a middle strap-- a strap from the seatbelt to the plane's center
line-- a crotch strap-- either to conform to FAA regs or as a very useful
adjunct in an open cockpit? I am planning to order soon from Summit Racing.
(Hey... even though it will a long time before I need the belt, I need to get
the attach points right soon.)
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Location |
Ed and Chuck thanks for the replies. What I plan on doing is leaving all of the
rib positions alone as well as the location of the flying strut fittings. I will
then just enlarge the openings for the spars on the 7th rib.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, Indiana
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I have mine beside me on the right on a hook I fabricated out of
aluminum.Your right ,I have to take it off the hook to change channels
and it is a pain in the ass but like you,I don't know where else to put
it.Not much space in this aircraft.I more or less put this plane on when
I get in and that's after loosing 57lbs.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: November 28, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it
for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of
jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using
is fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side
the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect..
There really isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
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I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the blind encoder and
the intercom) in the centersection. Works well - plenty of room and
easy to reach and adjust from the cockpit. See attached photos:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I have mine beside me on the right on a hook I fabricated out of
aluminum.Your right ,I have to take it off the hook to change channels
and it is a pain in the ass but like you,I don't know where else to put
it.Not much space in this aircraft.I more or less put this plane on when
I get in and that's after loosing 57lbs.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: November 28, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it
for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of
jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using
is fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side
the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect..
There really isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
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Jack,
Now that's ingenious. That's what I love about aircraft. I've been messing
with them most of my life and I always learn something new every day. Most
days I learn many new things and that's just related to construction.
Getting an airplane safely up and back down again seems to also offer new
experiences each time.
I guess the same can be said for boats or cars so I guess our experience is
not unique. Sure is fun though.
Russ
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:57 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the blind encoder and
the intercom) in the centersection. Works well plenty of room and easy to
reach and adjust from the cockpit. See attached photos:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:26 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I have mine beside me on the right on a hook I fabricated out of
aluminum.Your right ,I have to take it off the hook to change channels and
it is a pain in the ass but like you,I dont know where else to put it.Not
much space in this aircraft.I more or less put this plane on when I get in
and thats after loosing 57lbs.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: November 28, 2007 9:06 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it
for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet
and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is
fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat,
making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really
isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
I had hoped that the LSAs would bring things down to a reasonable level, but
that has not happened.
Yet. We currently train PPL students in 40 year old junk, but we expect to
train SP students, for less, in brand new equipment.
Give it a few years for used LSA to become available to flight schools.
I make more than my father did, but I would not be able to let my son start
flight training at 13 years old like my father did if I did not own my own
planes.
Your dad didn't pay $75 per month for 150 channels of cable TV, or $75-150
per month for cell phones for him, his wife and his kids. He probably drove
10 year old cars at best, did his own oil changes, and shut off every light
in the house when not in use. And he probably only dined out once or twice
per month, not three to five times a week and went to the movies once to
three times a year.
He had different priorities.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Thanks for all the comments guys.
I found a tail wheel plane (a C150t) for $70 hr and a tail wheel CFI for $30, that
both came well recommended. Flown in 150's before, never with a tail wheel,
bet its really old. Anyway at least I have something to get going with. Before
I take my plane up, whenever that is, may get some time in something more challenging
like a Pitts.
The local aerobatics place has them with an instructor for $330 an hr.
One guess why thats not my first choice for tail wheel time.
Jim
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Gentlemen,
Here's something that will put a big ole knot in the pit of your stomach. On
my way to work in the early morn, I heard on the Wall Street Journal Report,
that Cessna has announced that they will give 100% of the production work on
the Skycatcher, to.................CHINA............UGH!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Welcome to the global economy.
Rick
On Nov 28, 2007 11:37 AM, <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Here's something that will put a big ole knot in the pit of your stomach.
> On my way to work in the early morn, I heard on the Wall Street Journal
> Report, that Cessna has announced that they will give 100% of the production
> work on the Skycatcher, to.................CHINA............UGH!!
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
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Way to go Jack!
Now I have to start my whole project over again! Another idea and another change.......Rats!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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Section1 } Jack,
Now that's ingenious. That's what I love about aircraft. I've been messing
with them most of my life and I always learn something new every day. Most days
I learn many new things and that's just related to construction. Getting an
airplane safely up and back down again seems to also offer new experiences each
time.
I guess the same can be said for boats or cars so I guess our experience is not
unique. Sure is fun though.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the blind encoder and the
intercom) in the centersection. Works well plenty of room and easy to reach
and adjust from the cockpit. See attached photos:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I have mine beside me on the right on a hook I fabricated out of aluminum.Your
right ,I have to take it off the hook to change channels and it is a pain in
the ass but like you,I dont know where else to put it.Not much space in this
aircraft.I more or less put this plane on when I get in and thats after loosing
57lbs.
---------------------------------
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: November 28, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for
easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and
other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly large
and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making it difficult
to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panel
space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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One of the nice things about that installation is that it doesn't steal
from the antique look of the airplane. I buried all the antennas for
the radio and transponder inside the wing and still get decent range.
You have to know where to look to even see that it has a radio or
transponder. Note that the onlookers at OSH never even noticed it in
the attached picture. Also in that picture you can see that I ran the
hydraulic lines for the brakes through a hole down the middle of the
rear landing gear struts so the brakelines wouldn't show (planes back
then didn't have brakes, so they shouldn't have brakelines).
Jack Phillips
Hoping it will be warm enough to fly it this weekend
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Way to go Jack!
Now I have to start my whole project over again! Another idea and
another change.......Rats!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Russell Lassetter <rblassett@alltel.net> wrote:
Jack,
Now that's ingenious. That's what I love about aircraft. I've
been messing with them most of my life and I always learn something new
every day. Most days I learn many new things and that's just related to
construction. Getting an airplane safely up and back down again seems
to also offer new experiences each time.
I guess the same can be said for boats or cars so I guess our
experience is not unique. Sure is fun though.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:57 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the
blind encoder and the intercom) in the centersection. Works well -
plenty of room and easy to reach and adjust from the cockpit. See
attached photos:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:26 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I have mine beside me on the right on a hook I
fabricated out of aluminum.Your right ,I have to take it off the hook to
change channels and it is a pain in the ass but like you,I don't know
where else to put it.Not much space in this aircraft.I more or less put
this plane on when I get in and that's after loosing 57lbs.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene &
Tammy
Sent: November 28, 2007 9:06 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and
where do you put it for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that
have a fair amount of jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld
radio I've been using is fairly large and the only place I can find to
put it is along side the seat, making it difficult to change channels,
adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panel space left to mount
a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
Try it now.
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Hi Jack! Could you please send me some photos of your plane? I did not get
one the other people have seen for some reason.
Please e-mail to..
davea@symbolicdisplays.com
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
One of the nice things about that installation is that it doesn't steal from
the antique look of the airplane. I buried all the antennas for the radio
and transponder inside the wing and still get decent range. You have to
know where to look to even see that it has a radio or transponder. Note
that the onlookers at OSH never even noticed it in the attached picture.
Also in that picture you can see that I ran the hydraulic lines for the
brakes through a hole down the middle of the rear landing gear struts so the
brakelines wouldn't show (planes back then didn't have brakes, so they
shouldn't have brakelines).
Jack Phillips
Hoping it will be warm enough to fly it this weekend
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide, BA,
CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Way to go Jack!
Now I have to start my whole project over again! Another idea and another
change.......Rats!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Russell Lassetter <rblassett@alltel.net> wrote:
Jack,
Now that's ingenious. That's what I love about aircraft. I've been messing
with them most of my life and I always learn something new every day. Most
days I learn many new things and that's just related to construction.
Getting an airplane safely up and back down again seems to also offer new
experiences each time.
I guess the same can be said for boats or cars so I guess our experience is
not unique. Sure is fun though.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the blind encoder and the
intercom) in the centersection. Works well - plenty of room and easy to
reach and adjust from the cockpit. See attached photos:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio
I have mine beside me on the right on a hook I fabricated out of
aluminum.Your right ,I have to take it off the hook to change channels and
it is a pain in the ass but like you,I don't know where else to put it.Not
much space in this aircraft.I more or less put this plane on when I get in
and that's after loosing 57lbs.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy
Sent: November 28, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for
easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and
other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly
large and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making
it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't
any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Hello group,
I am going to put the wings on and do the final rigging this weekend. Any
of you have any tips or suggestions on getting it all set up right?
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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Hi Robert,
Fairly easy. Get it level, fore and aft and side to side (use the top
longerons as the level plane). Attach the wings and struts and then use
whatever you want to verify the wingtips are the same height. I used a
surveyor's transit which is very easy to use. Managed to get both
wingtips within 1/16" of each other. The plane has always flown
absolutely true, with no tendency to roll one way or the other. Others
have used lasers, waterlevels, etc. Use what you've got, but take
however long it takes. It took me a couple of hours the first time. I
marked all the threaded rod ends on my lift struts so I knew where they
needed to be. Then when final assembly took place at the airport I just
screwed the rod ends to the marks and verified with the transit and it
was good to go in about 20 minutes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RBush96589@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: final rigging
Hello group,
I am going to put the wings on and do the final rigging this weekend.
Any of you have any tips or suggestions on getting it all set up right?
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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| Subject: | Re: final rigging |
Robert,
Pretty much what Jack said.
Just don't rush it. Rigging can make or break a plane to be a stable
flyer. I had to drill my struts while rigging, so that took a little
longer.
A long level comes in handy across the spars to get wings flat/wash in/
wash out. It's amazing without the wing struts, how "twistable" the
wings at the tips are.
If putting in dihedral ,,it's easier to use a long "sliver" as long as
the level, that represents the angle of dihedral you are using. this way
with the level and the sliver, when the level reads good, the wing is at
the angle you need. While still maintaining fwd to back spec
I used 1/2" electrical EMT to get exact length of each strut. Cut to
rough length,,,flattened the ends,,,drilled lower end,,,put a bolt
thru,,,marked the top end. Then drilled each strut.
Flies beautifully hands off,,,except when I put on weight, and it wants
to nose up. :^)
This applies to rigging,,,,,
"If I had 8 hours to cut down a tree,,,I'd spend the first 6 sharpening
the axe"
ABE LINCOLN
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: final rigging
Hi Robert,
Fairly easy. Get it level, fore and aft and side to side (use the top
longerons as the level plane). Attach the wings and struts and then use
whatever you want to verify the wingtips are the same height. I used a
surveyor's transit which is very easy to use. Managed to get both
wingtips within 1/16" of each other. The plane has always flown
absolutely true, with no tendency to roll one way or the other. Others
have used lasers, waterlevels, etc. Use what you've got, but take
however long it takes. It took me a couple of hours the first time. I
marked all the threaded rod ends on my lift struts so I knew where they
needed to be. Then when final assembly took place at the airport I just
screwed the rod ends to the marks and verified with the transit and it
was good to go in about 20 minutes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RBush96589@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:37 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: final rigging
Hello group,
I am going to put the wings on and do the final rigging this
weekend. Any of you have any tips or suggestions on getting it all set
up right?
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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This applies to rigging,,,,,
"If I had 8 hours to cut down a tree,,,I'd spend the first 6 sharpening the axe"
ABE LINCOLN
Excellent
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | Re: Worth saying again |
Ken,
I love that one.
And I love all quotes.
I've always admired someone who could say a few words,,,and say much.
:^)
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again
This applies to rigging,,,,,
"If I had 8 hours to cut down a tree,,,I'd spend the first 6
sharpening the axe"
ABE LINCOLN
Excellent
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: CFI with a plane.. where do you find them? |
Jim,
There was never a C150 made with a tail wheel. There was a very good mod
called "Texas tail wheel C150" that some had done to their nose picker
C150's. I've never flown one but I had a good friend (an Alaskan bush
pilot) that had one as his own personal plane and he said he loved it.
Sounds like a good plane to take tail wheel training in.
Gene
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| Subject: | Texas Taildragger |
I was very fortunate to have gotten a good portion of my private pilot instruction
and solo time in a Cessna 150 with the Texas Taildragger conversion as well
as the 150HP Lyc (Avcon?) conversion and Flint Aero long-range fuel tank setup.
The airplane was a heck of a lot of fun to fly, very easy, and very capable.
It would cruise with the airspeed indicator "in the yellow" and climb like
the dickens. Needless to say, it was converted and used extensively for pipeline
patrol and that kind of work in the oil patch of South Texas.
What it was NOT was a challenging tailwheel aircraft. In the 3-point configuration
you had a great view over the nose, and although it did require more rudder
attention than the stock nosewheel setup, it was quite comfortable to learn
tailwheel techniques in and wasn't twitchy. Probably a very good airplane to
get your tailwheel instruction in, especially since the instructor sits right
up next to you and has full dual controls, but I wouldn't say it would transition
you directly into the Piet without some dual in something with a higher power-off
sink rate and a little bit less forward visibility in the 3-point attitude.
But it sure was fun to fly the C150-150 taildragger.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Need help on added structures for steps and seatbelts |
Don't underestimate how strong these fittings need to be. I had a good
friend crash land a Graham Lee Nieuport early this year. His seat belts
and shoulder harness failed where they were attached to the aluminum
tube fuselage. Seeing the pictures of his recovery made me rethink how
I was planning to attach my harnesses. I've got some pictures of my
setup on mykitplane.com, in the May 2007 area of my build log. I'll
attach one picture of my seat belt bracket. I bolted it to the longeron
and a reinforcement that I added behind the seat. I'm attaching my
shoulder harness at the tailpost.
Here is the link to the picture:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLogID=1574&PlaneID=481
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Texas Taildragger |
All good points Oscar. As usual, a good post. You do a really good job of
painting a picture with words.
I would suggest that if anyone wants to get a feel for the higher sink rate
of the Piet, then get some time in an ultralight, it's cheap and ultralights
certainly have a high sink rate. As far as dealing with the forward
visibility of the Piet, a little "S" taxi time will take care of that. I'm
a fan of doing a LOT of ground handling (slow and fast taxi) before ever
leaving the ground. It's really important to know how YOUR airplane handles
before, not after, the 1st flight.
Gene
N502R
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| Subject: | Re: meeting Jim Markle |
Hi all
Like all of us ever it's a pleasure to spend an afternoon speaking about
Pietenpols looking the projects and taking a beer (maybe more) and Mr
Markle is a perfect Example, what a very kind people..
Javier Cruz
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| Subject: | Need help on added structures for steps and seatbelts |
Advisory Circular (AC) 43.13 1B/2A has great information about attaching
seat-belts and shoulder-harnesses as well as how much G-Force the human body
can withstand on impact. If I remember correctly, 30-G's for a very short
period of time (sudden impact) which means the attachment points for the
restraints need to be strong. Here's a link to the 2A portion of AC 43.13
which addresses this.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/
E533BB05389C90E486256A54006E47B2?OpenDocument
Here's a link to the 1B portion of AC 43.13 which is the rest of the Bible.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/
99C827DB9BAAC81B86256B4500596C4E?OpenDocument
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben
> Charvet
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:49 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Need help on added structures for steps and
> seatbelts
>
>
>
> Don't underestimate how strong these fittings need to be. I had a good
> friend crash land a Graham Lee Nieuport early this year. His seat belts
> and shoulder harness failed where they were attached to the aluminum
> tube fuselage. Seeing the pictures of his recovery made me rethink how
> I was planning to attach my harnesses. I've got some pictures of my
> setup on mykitplane.com, in the May 2007 area of my build log. I'll
> attach one picture of my seat belt bracket. I bolted it to the longeron
> and a reinforcement that I added behind the seat. I'm attaching my
> shoulder harness at the tailpost.
> Here is the link to the picture:
> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildLogReportDetail.cfm?BuildLog
> ID=1574&PlaneID=481
>
> Ben Charvet
> Mims, Fl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Location |
In a message dated 11/28/2007 7:42:51 AM Central Standard Time,
timothywillis@earthlink.net writes:
Chuck,
Thanks for the detail on wing construction. That is very helpful. On your
website you also show some little balsa pieces, gussets of a sort, on the spar
on each side of the ribs. I believe you stated this was to add gluing
surface. Whether I have that right or not, what is this about? Would you do it
again and also recommend it to others?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
Tim,
The little balsa fillets are in fact to increase the gluing surface. The rib
jig that I borrowed was for the 1" spars, and I have 3/4" Douglas Fir Spars.
I used 1/16" shims on each side of the rib placements to take up the gap so
as to maintain spar placement, which is acceptable. However, at the time of
assembly, I didn't think the ribs fit as well as they should have, so I used
those balsa fillets. Keep in mind that the balsa needs to be cut, and never sand
on the end grains or it will fill the capillary veins of the wood, and the
adhesive can't penetrate as far.
If I did it again, I would build the ribs to fit the spars, and eliminate the
need for shims or balsa fillets. There are, however, a couple of places
where I would recomend the use of these type of fillets. At the wing tips, the
three 1/2 X 1/2 braces that go to the spars are butt joints, and are a weak
joint. A simple fillet in those areas is a sizable increase in strength. Doug's
plane had one of these joints break loose, and he had to do the repair through
the inspection holes - hence the reason I added the balsa fillets in those
areas.
As for the pilot seat belt, I haven't got any good pictures of how I did it,
but it is anchored in the cluster at each side of the cockpit. The shoulder
harness is attached to 3/32 cable, under the headrest, and is anchored to the
tail post with a big flat washer on the aft side. The shoulder harness needs
to be as horizontal as you can, so as not to pull down on the spine in the
event of a sudden impact.
As for the crotch strap, I don't think you need that one...in part because it
would be impossible to Pee into a bottle, without releasing the entire
harness. On two different occasions, I have had to pee during flight - a very
uncomfortable situation to be in, to say the least, albeit a learning experience
!!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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In a message dated 11/28/2007 8:07:51 AM Central Standard Time,
zharvey@bellsouth.net writes:
Pieters,
Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for
easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and
other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly large
and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making it
difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panel
space left to mount a radio. Any ideas?
Thanks
Gene
N502R
Gene,
I have my handheld Icom mounted on an aluminum bracket at the right side of
the cockpit, on top of the longeron, where the cowling comes down to the
longeron. It allows the ducky antenna to stick out over the side, and maintain
an
almost vertical orientation (which is recommended for a com radio), and it's
easy to see, change freq, and it clips on & off fairly easily. My push to talk
button is on top of the stick.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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