---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/29/07: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - Just Two Days Left... (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:23 AM - Re: Worth saying again (Phillips, Jack) 2. 05:25 AM - Re: Radio (Gene & Tammy) 3. 05:32 AM - Re: Radio (Gene & Tammy) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: Radio (Phillips, Jack) 5. 06:49 AM - Radio (Jim Markle) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: Radio (HelsperSew@aol.com) 7. 07:24 AM - Re: Worth saying again (Bill Church) 8. 08:05 AM - Airspeed on Ebay (HelsperSew@aol.com) 9. 08:35 AM - good guys on the list and in person (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 10. 09:43 AM - Re: Radio (Rick Holland) 11. 10:45 AM - Re: Radio (Ed G.) 12. 11:02 AM - Re: Radio (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 13. 12:15 PM - flying to Brodhead is like having a baby (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 14. 12:34 PM - Re: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby (HelsperSew@aol.com) 15. 12:53 PM - Re: Radio (Phillips, Jack) 16. 01:10 PM - Re: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby (Phillips, Jack) 17. 02:02 PM - Re: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 18. 02:33 PM - Re: Radio (Rcaprd@aol.com) 19. 02:52 PM - Re: Radio (Rcaprd@aol.com) 20. 03:38 PM - Re: Radio (Gene & Tammy) 21. 04:03 PM - Re: Radio (Gene & Tammy) 22. 05:53 PM - Piet update - new web site (Malcolm Morrison) 23. 06:20 PM - Re: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 24. 06:32 PM - Re: Radio (Rick Holland) 25. 06:44 PM - Re: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby (Rick Holland) 26. 07:06 PM - Re: final rigging (Dick Navratil) 27. 07:36 PM - XCOM VHF TRANSCEIVER from Aircraft Spruce (Ed G.) 28. 07:39 PM - XCOM Transceivers (Ed G.) 29. 08:42 PM - Re: good guys on the list and in person (Jim Markle) 30. 11:13 PM - Re: Radio (Clif Dawson) 31. 11:40 PM - Re: Worth saying again (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:53 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just Two Days Left... Dear Listers, There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all, participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again From: "Phillips, Jack" My two favorite sources for quotes are Winston Churchill and Mark Twain. I love Mark Twain's quote about smoking a pipe - "A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and a fool something to stick in his mouth." Jack Phillips Already thinking about Brodhead - might have to fly the Piet up one more time, if the weather's good _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again Ken, I love that one. And I love all quotes. I've always admired someone who could say a few words,,,and say much. :^) walt evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: Pietenpol Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again This applies to rigging,,,,, "If I had 8 hours to cut down a tree,,,I'd spend the first 6 sharpening the axe" ABE LINCOLN Excellent Ken H Fargo, ND Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP _____ Be a better pen pal. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:07 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Chuck, any chance of a photo? Gene ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:22 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Jack, You are truly an amazing designer and builder. You have found your nich in life. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the blind encoder and the intercom) in the centersection. Works well - plenty of room and easy to reach and adjust from the cockpit. See attached photos: Jack Phillips NX899JP ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio From: "Phillips, Jack" Thanks, Gene. One of the real beauties of the Pietenpol design is the fact that the design lends itself to so many variations, and no two Pietenpols are just alike. Are you going to fly yours to Brodhead this year? I don't know why, but lately I've been doing a lot of thinking about Brodhead and am starting to plan to fly mine up again. It's not too early to start planning - it will take me at least six months to get my wife to agree to let me fly it over the mountains again. Last time, I flew from North Carolina to Cleveland, then flew formation with Mike Cuy to Brodhead. Slightly uncomfortable flying across West Virginia, with 4400' ridges and 4600' cloud decks. This year I might swing around the southern end of the mountains in north Georgia and fly to west Tennessee to visit my mother in Jackson, then fly due north to Brodhead. If so, maybe we could fly formation together. Interested? Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene & Tammy Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Jack, You are truly an amazing designer and builder. You have found your nich in life. Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Phillips, Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio I put my radio and mode C transponder (along with the blind encoder and the intercom) in the centersection. Works well - plenty of room and easy to reach and adjust from the cockpit. See attached photos: Jack Phillips NX899JP _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:08 AM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Radio There is (or used to be) a radio made for sailplanes that fits in a 3 1/8" instrument panel hole. So maybe there's room at least for just one more hole... I'm betting it uses a bit of amperage so would probably require a good capacity battery but that would take care of the "for easy use" and "difficult to change channels" issues... I'm not sure how that would pass the WWBD (What Would Bernard Do?) rule, but it's doable... :-) JM ----- Pieters, Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas? Thanks Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:46 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio There are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 3/8"?). These are the Microaire, and the Becker. I have the Becker in my Aeronca and it works well. It takes only 5 amps I believe. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:34 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again From: "Bill Church" Here's one of my favorite quotes, from Albert Einstein: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Wonder if Albert was building a Pietenpol? Bill C. DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:18 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed on Ebay Gents, FYI there is a "Johnson" type airspeed indicator available on Ebay, item # 180184787852. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: good guys on the list and in person From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" I agree with Javier regarding Jim and as I've gotten further into the Pietenpol movement I find myself attending Brodhead more to enjoy visiting with other Pietenpol friends than to see the airplanes. I had the pleasure to meet up with Jim and his brother Joshua this past summer and give them rides in my Piet. As much as I hate to admit it, Jim flew perfectly from the front seat with no instruments whatsoever. He held altitude within 30 feet and that is something I have trouble doing WITH instruments:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:07 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Hey Jack 4600 ft? And you call those mountains? The runw++++++++++++++++++++++ ay at my airport is 2800 ft. higher than that. And on a hot day the density alt is 4400 ft. higher. On Nov 29, 2007 7:10 AM, Phillips, Jack wrote: > Thanks, Gene. One of the real beauties of the Pietenpol design is the > fact that the design lends itself to so many variations, and no two > Pietenpols are just alike. > > > Are you going to fly yours to Brodhead this year? I don't know why, but > lately I've been doing a lot of thinking about Brodhead and am starting t o > plan to fly mine up again. It's not too early to start planning ' it w ill > take me at least six months to get my wife to agree to let me fly it over > the mountains again. Last time, I flew from North Carolina to Cleveland, > then flew formation with Mike Cuy to Brodhead. Slightly uncomfortable > flying across West Virginia, with 4400' ridges and 4600' cloud decks. Th is > year I might swing around the southern end of the mountains in north Geor gia > and fly to west Tennessee to visit my mother in Jackson, then fly due nor th > to Brodhead. If so, maybe we could fly formation together. Interested? > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:18 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio The XCOM radio from Australia also fits a 2 1/4" hole and it is shorter than the micoaire and the Becker. It's depth into the panel makes it perfect for the Piet and it has a built in intercom. Ed G. >From: HelsperSew@aol.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:59:34 EST > >There are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 3/8"?). >These are the Microaire, and the Becker. I have the Becker in my Aeronca >and it > works well. It takes only 5 amps I believe. > >Dan Helsper >Poplar Grove, IL. > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >hottest >products. >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:22 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Ed, Any photos, suppliers, and other pertinent information you can send? Ken H. Fargo, ND "Ed G." wrote: The XCOM radio from Australia also fits a 2 1/4" hole and it is shorter than the micoaire and the Becker. It's depth into the panel makes it perfect for the Piet and it has a built in intercom. Ed G. >From: HelsperSew@aol.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:59:34 EST > >There are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 3/8"?). >These are the Microaire, and the Becker. I have the Becker in my Aeronca >and it > works well. It takes only 5 amps I believe. > >Dan Helsper >Poplar Grove, IL. > > >**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >hottest >products. >(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Like mothers soon forget the pains of childbirth, Pietenpol pilots tend to fly back to Brodhead every couple of years since by then you forget some of the pains involved in doing so. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:30 PM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby I will be able to fly there every year since I am only 40 mi. away. That is if I ever get my airplane done. Put the wing on last weekend, and installed the struts. Getting closer. Will post pictures this weekend. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:15 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Radio From: "Phillips, Jack" Yeah, I know. However, in a Piet heavily loaded with camping gear and fuel, I found myself facing a ridge that was 4400' high. I was at 4000' running at full power at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a downdraft. I never did make it over that ridge, but by looking at the sectional, I saw where I could fly around it by going a few miles out of my way, so I follwed the valley until it interesected with the valley on the other side of the ridge and eventually got back on my course. GPS makes such navigation so easy, compared to what it used to be. Density altitude at that time was around 7,000' Are you flying a Pietenpol at higher density altitude than that? If so, what does it weigh and what kind of power do you have? Mine is admittedly heavy (745 lbs empty). On a hot day last summer I took up a 205 lb passenger (I weigh 200) with full fuel (90lbs). We got a good solid 100 fpm climb. OAT was 93 F and the field elevation was about 400'. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Hey Jack 4600 ft? And you call those mountains? The runw++++++++++++++++++++++ ay at my airport is 2800 ft. higher than that. And on a hot day the density alt is 4400 ft. higher. On Nov 29, 2007 7:10 AM, Phillips, Jack wrote: Thanks, Gene. One of the real beauties of the Pietenpol design is the fact that the design lends itself to so many variations, and no two Pietenpols are just alike. Are you going to fly yours to Brodhead this year? I don't know why, but lately I've been doing a lot of thinking about Brodhead and am starting to plan to fly mine up again. It's not too early to start planning - it will take me at least six months to get my wife to agree to let me fly it over the mountains again. Last time, I flew from North Carolina to Cleveland, then flew formation with Mike Cuy to Brodhead. Slightly uncomfortable flying across West Virginia, with 4400' ridges and 4600' cloud decks. This year I might swing around the southern end of the mountains in north Georgia and fly to west Tennessee to visit my mother in Jackson, then fly due north to Brodhead. If so, maybe we could fly formation together. Interested? Jack Phillips NX899JP -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby From: "Phillips, Jack" So does that mean you've forgotten the pain and are willing to fly there again in 2008? Jack "Damn the Mountains and Full Speed Ahead" Phillips _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby Like mothers soon forget the pains of childbirth, Pietenpol pilots tend to fly back to Brodhead every couple of years since by then you forget some of the pains involved in doing so. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is p rohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:20 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" So does that mean you've forgotten the pain and are willing to fly there again in 2008? I haven't forgotten the pain of flying home in that wretchedly wicked turbulence but....we had such a good time flying in loose formation from Cleveland to Brodhead I might just consider doing it again. Hard to say though as I'm really getting spoiled going up there with all my camping gear in the comfort of an air conditioned car. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:56 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio In a message dated 11/29/2007 7:26:29 AM Central Standard Time, zharvey@bellsouth.net writes: Chuck, any chance of a photo? Gene Here is one from back in '04. I have since re-located the Wiskey Compass to the bottom of the wing, and installed the CHT / EGT in that hole in the center. Chuck G. NX770CG **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:05 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio I have a string tied to the top of the Rubber Ducky antenna, tied to the cabane, because it twiched a lot out there in the prop wash. The GPS found a good location, but it makes it a little harder to get in & out. The throttle is there on the left, with my favorite little red button on it...Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !! There is also a roll of T. P. there on the right side of the seat, because ya just never know when a target of opportunity may show up !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:11 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Chuck, Thanks so much for the photo. Better than a thousand words! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio I have a string tied to the top of the Rubber Ducky antenna, tied to the cabane, because it twiched a lot out there in the prop wash. The GPS found a good location, but it makes it a little harder to get in & out. The throttle is there on the left, with my favorite little red button on it...Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !! There is also a roll of T. P. there on the right side of the seat, because ya just never know when a target of opportunity may show up !! :) Chuck G. NX770CG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/24/2007 5:58 PM ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:09 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Jack when is Brodhead this year? I have a commitment on the West Coast for the last half of June and 1st half of July that I must complete. If that won't interfere then I would love to follow you up. My Piet is ready for the trip now! Gene N502R ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:59 PM PST US From: "Malcolm Morrison" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet update - new web site I recently switched web providers and have a new web site. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123 is the main page. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/piet.html is for the Pietenpol. http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Piet_update.htm has the latest update on the project, and http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/engine_test.html has the Corvair engine testing results. I'm hoping to make more progress on the Piet over the winter. Malcolm ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:01 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby In order to save face...Jack I'll bring the cold refershments to make sure to are just a tinge under gross! Ken H. "Phillips, Jack" wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} So does that mean youve forgotten the pain and are willing to fly there again in 2008? Jack Damn the Mountains and Full Speed Ahead Phillips --------------------------------- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby Like mothers soon forget the pains of childbirth, Pietenpol pilots tend to fly back to Brodhead every couple of years since by then you forget some of the pains involved in doing so. http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:55 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Jack I am building a Corvair engine for my Piet now and am hoping 90 - 100 HP is enough. William Wynne has experimented with turbocharging the Corvair with some success which I may pursue that if I can't get off the runway on hot days. Rick On Nov 29, 2007 12:52 PM, Phillips, Jack wrote: > Yeah, I know. > > > However, in a Piet heavily loaded with camping gear and fuel, I found > myself facing a ridge that was 4400' high. I was at 4000' running at full > power at my best rate of climb and losing 500 fpm in a downdraft. I never > did make it over that ridge, but by looking at the sectional, I saw where I > could fly around it by going a few miles out of my way, so I follwed the > valley until it interesected with the valley on the other side of the ridge > and eventually got back on my course. GPS makes such navigation so easy, > compared to what it used to be. > > > Density altitude at that time was around 7,000' Are you flying a > Pietenpol at higher density altitude than that? If so, what does it weigh > and what kind of power do you have? Mine is admittedly heavy (745 lbs > empty). On a hot day last summer I took up a 205 lb passenger (I weigh 200) > with full fuel (90lbs). We got a good solid 100 fpm climb. OAT was 93 F > and the field elevation was about 400'. > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > > -- > Rick Holland > ObjectAge Ltd. > Castle Rock, Colorado > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > * * > > _________________________________________________ > > or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:22 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a baby Don't worry Mike, we can use my air conditioned car to go get all the cold beer (or whatever else) you need. Rick On Nov 29, 2007 1:59 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] < michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > So does that mean you've forgotten the pain and are willing to fly there > again in 2008? > > I haven't forgotten the pain of flying home in that wretchedly wicked > turbulence but....we had such a good time flying in loose formation from > Cleveland to Brodhead I might just consider doing it again. Hard to say > though as I'm really getting spoiled going up there with all my camping > gear in the comfort of an air conditioned car. > > Mike C. > > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:20 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: final rigging Hi Robert I just did that in August. First it is most important to make sure that the wings are even, measured to the tail. I used the trailing edge at the point that the ailereons start and measured to the base of the vert stab. Make sure that your cabane cross wires are good and tight. I bought a digital level that measures down to the tenth of a degree. I leveled up the fuse and adjusted the struts so the wing tips are 1/2 degree higher than inboard measurement.. good luck Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: RBush96589@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: final rigging Hello group, I am going to put the wings on and do the final rigging this weekend. Any of you have any tips or suggestions on getting it all set up right? Thanks, Robert Bush ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:59 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Pietenpol-List: XCOM VHF TRANSCEIVER from Aircraft Spruce http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/xcom.php ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:20 PM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: Pietenpol-List: XCOM Transceivers Here's a link to the Xcom radio in ACS's cataloge. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/av/trans_xcom.html ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:59 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good guys on the list and in person Ok you guys....enough already! :-) All very kind words and much appreciated. I've said it before and I mean it...one of the greatest joys of this project has been the crowd I get to hang out with... Speaking of my project...today I did the remaining sandblasting to prepare for powder coating the last parts of my tailwheel...that has been an almost 1 year project. That was fun. And I got started on the upper strut fittings which I originally made out of 4130 but have switched to solid 3/4" X 1" pieces of 2024 Aluminum. It's really nice to see those struts holding the wings up all by themselves. Sure is nice to be back pushing puddles and mixing T88! jm ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: good guys on the list and in person I agree with Javier regarding Jim and as I've gotten further into the Pietenpol movement I find myself attending Brodhead more to enjoy visiting with other Pietenpol friends than to see the airplanes. I had the pleasure to meet up with Jim and his brother Joshua this past summer and give them rides in my Piet. As much as I hate to admit it, Jim flew perfectly from the front seat with no instruments whatsoever. He held altitude within 30 feet and that is something I have trouble doing WITH instruments:) Mike C. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:33 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio I acquired my Delcom 960 with end mounted controls off ebay for $200 three years ago. Here's a pic of it mounted and one of my antenna arrangement. They had a panel mount bracket. Dean Sevold's Piet in Naniamo has one. Unfortunately, with the battery pack it's too long to go in the panel. Unless the front passenger doesn't mind two inches of radio poking his ( or her ) back. :-) Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio Ed, Any photos, suppliers, and other pertinent information you can send? Ken H. Fargo, ND "Ed G." wrote: The XCOM radio from Australia also fits a 2 1/4" hole and it is shorter than the micoaire and the Becker. It's depth into the panel makes it perfect for the Piet and it has a built in intercom. Ed G. >From: HelsperSew@aol.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:59:34 EST > >There are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 11/29/2007 8:32 PM ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:55 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupery A place for you other quote happy guys; http://quote.robertgenn.com/ Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Worth saying again Here's one of my favorite quotes, from Albert Einstein: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Wonder if Albert was building a Pietenpol? Bill C. 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